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The enduring popularity of Obamacare (at least what's in it) (Original Post) ProSense Jun 2012 OP
And yet 56% of those SAME poll respondants said they oppose the law. Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #1
Wrong ProSense Jun 2012 #2
Wrong. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #5
Oh, ProSense Jun 2012 #8
It's time to face the music, Prosense. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #13
Are you ProSense Jun 2012 #14
It's also a favorite of health insurers MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #3
I stand with ProSense Jun 2012 #6
And you stand with health insurers MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #7
No, ProSense Jun 2012 #9
Your argument is unrelated to your contention nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #11
Your response is hilarious. n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #12
That Coverage for young adults graph sadbear Jun 2012 #4
If it can stay around until 2014, it'll become quite popular as 133% poverty gets medicare. joshcryer Jun 2012 #10

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
1. And yet 56% of those SAME poll respondants said they oppose the law.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:21 PM
Jun 2012

Because of the Individual Mandate.

Gee, I wonder why?

PB

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
2. Wrong
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:28 PM
Jun 2012
And yet 56% of those SAME poll respondants said they oppose the law.

Because of the Individual Mandate.

Gee, I wonder why?

The mandate is unpopular, but that's not the reason that number is so high. Part of the reason is that some believe the bill didn't go far enough. The other part is misinformation.

The survey results suggest that Republicans are convincing voters to reject Obama's reform even when they like much of what is in it, such as allowing children to stay on their parents' insurance until age 26.

http://news.yahoo.com/most-americans-oppose-health-law-provisions-040810861.html


Why health reform is so unpopular
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/21/12337287-why-health-reform-is-so-unpopular

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
5. Wrong.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jun 2012

If misinformation were to blame, then none of the provisions would be popular.

The mandate is entirely to blame for the law's continued unpopularity. WTYS.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
13. It's time to face the music, Prosense.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:54 PM
Jun 2012

Just 42 percent want the Supreme Court to throw out the entire law, but when told throwing out the whole law was the only way to get rid of the mandate, support for complete repeal jumped to 55 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postabcpoll_031012.html

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. Are you
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 08:00 PM
Jun 2012

"Just 42 percent want the Supreme Court to throw out the entire law, but when told throwing out the whole law was the only way to get rid of the mandate, support for complete repeal jumped to 55 percent. "

...missing something?

16. (IF THROW OUT PART OF THE LAW) What if removing the coverage requirement forces the rest of the law to be dropped because there’s no way to pay for it. In that case would you prefer to – (keep the mandate to save the rest of the law), or (throw out the entire law)?

Join the team to debunk misinformation!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. I stand with
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:36 PM
Jun 2012

those who have common sense.

Bernie Sanders February 2011:



Health care was a big step forward. As Senator Sanders said then, the bill should be expanded.

Sen. John Kerry

Healthcare Is Better and More Affordable Because of Health Reform

Two years ago today, President Obama signed into law our landmark universal health care reform.

The 24/7 news cycle left little time to provide historical context, but it was a milestone a century in the making. Presidents as disparate as Teddy Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton had all tried to do this and come up short.

But we got there in 2010. And then all hell broke loose. Yes, we paid a political price, and some good folks went down to defeat because they'd put their careers on the line for health care. Good for them. One day a vote for health reform will be remembered the same way as a vote for the Civil Rights Act or the Clinton deficit reduction package of 1993, because when you're on the right side of history, and you do the right thing despite the heat of the moment, ultimately the pendulum swings back your way.

And well it should, because despite some of the ugliest and most deceitful rhetoric I've ever seen in a legislative debate -- from the smear of "death panels" to the lies about "socialized medicine" -- the lives of tens of millions of Americans will be demonstrably better because of the Affordable Care Act. They say the proof is in the pudding; in this case, the proof will be in the patients. Patients who won't be turned away or denied insurance because of preexisting conditions such as cancer, childhood asthma, or even past pregnancies.

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Two years later, I look back on that vote and I know we did the right thing -- and the proof is in the peoples' lives that are better now and millions more that will be better for it in the years to come. Instead of running away from what we accomplished, we should embrace it. In American politics there's no "way-back machine" -- you can't avoid your way into office. But mainly because we have a great story to tell about making health care better and more affordable, we shouldn't run from the truth, we should run on the truth. Partisan rhetoric and political hyperbole, however untrue, can make great theater and can sway a news cycle or even an election cycle -- but it cannot survive the test of history. Ultimately, it's hard to argue with reality. If you want to see that health reform can work, come to Massachusetts. And if you want to see it work in America, just wait, because the best is still to come.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-kerry/healthcare-is-better-and_b_1375331.html


Breaking it Down: The Health Care Law and Women

The President's health law gives hard working, middle-class families the security they deserve. The Affordable Care Act forces insurance companies to play by the rules, prohibiting them from dropping your coverage if you get sick, billing you into bankruptcy through annual or lifetime limits, and, soon, discriminating against anyone with a pre-existing condition.

In the past, women often had to pay more for coverage that sometimes didn’t even cover their needs – that’s changing under the health care law. Over 20 million women with private health insurance are receiving expanded preventive services with no cost-sharing, including mammograms, cervical cancer screenings, prenatal care, flu and pneumonia shots, and regular well-baby and well-child visits. What’s more, 1.1 million women between 19 and 25 who would have been uninsured, have coverage under their parent’s health insurance plan. Women are often the ones making health care decisions for the family. The health care law puts them back in charge by shining much-needed light on our health insurance marketplace and cracking down on unjustified premium hikes.

Here are more ways the law helps women:

  1. Soon, being a woman will no longer be a pre-existing condition. Before the Affordable Care Act became law, insurance companies selling individual policies could deny coverage to women due to “pre-existing conditions,” such as having cancer and being pregnant. In 2014, it will be illegal for insurance companies to discriminate against anyone with a pre-existing condition, including women. Already, insurance companies are banned from denying coverage to children because of a pre-existing condition.

  2. Women Have a Choice of Doctor. Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, all Americans in new insurance plans have the freedom to choose from any primary care provider, OB-GYN, or pediatrician in their health plan’s network, or emergency care outside of the plan’s network, without a referral.

  3. Women Can Receive Preventive Care Without Copays. Thanks to the Affordable Care Act, all Americans in new health care plans can receive recommended preventive services, like mammograms, new baby care and well-child visits, with no out-of-pocket costs. See a list of preventive services for women.

  4. Women Pay Lower Health Care Costs. Before the law, women could be charged more for individual insurance policies simply because of their gender. A 22-year-old woman could be charged 150% the premium that a 22-year-old man paid. In 2014, insurers will not be able to charge women higher premiums than they charge men. In addition, the law takes strong action to control health care costs, including helping States crack down on excessive premium increases and making sure most of your premium dollars go for your health care.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/03/20/breaking-it-down-health-care-law-and-women


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. No,
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:41 PM
Jun 2012

"And you stand with health insurers And Pharma."

...with NCPSSM:

Healthcare Reform, Seniors and the Supreme Court

By NCPSSM

<...>

The Supreme Court is wrapping up three days of hearings on the Affordable Care Act today. Seniors with the National Committee’s “Rally Corps” joined other activists on the steps of the Court urging Justices to uphold the health care reform law.

“The truth is the more seniors get the facts about healthcare reform the more they support it. But unfortunately all the partisan bickering surrounding the law’s passage and continuing even now, two years later, has left too many Medicare beneficiaries unaware or misinformed about all the new benefits now available to them thanks to the ACA. Our Rally Corps members understand they’ll end up paying more for their prescription drugs, preventative screenings and higher out-of-pocket costs if the ACA is dismantled so they’re glad to take their case in support of health care reform to the steps of the Supreme Court today. ” Max Richtman, NCPSSM President/CEO

<...>

The Patients Aware campaign, created by the National Committee Foundation, the National Physicians Alliance, and the Herndon Alliance , has built a national network of doctors, nurses, and caregivers to provide information directly to beneficiaries about the Affordable Care Act. Doctors, nurses and other care providers are among the most trusted sources of health care information for seniors and their families and they are leading town hall meetings in communities nationwide to sort the fact from fiction about health care reform’s impact on Medicare beneficiaries. You can get more info about Patients Aware here.

- more-

http://www.ncpssm.org/entitledtoknow/?p=2267







joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
10. If it can stay around until 2014, it'll become quite popular as 133% poverty gets medicare.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 07:43 PM
Jun 2012

Or roughly 50 million Americans.

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