BREAKTHROUGH on DailyKos: "It's the Voting Machines, Not the Voters"!

[HomerRamone]

Discussion of election fraud “conspiracy theory” used to be banned on Daily Kos, which is why I’ve never followed the site...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/16/1100628/-It-s-the-Voting-Machines-Not-the-Voters

How can we rely on voting results when the cases of voting machine
problems are so hugely widespread?

There are over 200,000,000 million registered voters. It would take a
huge amount of voter fraud to tilt an election. However, an entire
county's votes can be compromised by voting machine problems, and they
have, many times over.

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SO, WHEN WILL WE ALL BE YELLING TO MAKE SURE OUR VOTES COUNT THIS FALL?

AND ABOUT WHO'S COMMITTING ELECTION FRAUD

MORE: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/16/1100628/-It-s-the-Voting-Machines-Not-the-Voters

[ArcticFox]

1. Totally

I'd prefer to think there's voting machine manipulation rather than believe that so many Americans are so stupid.

[NRaleighLiberal]

2. not stupid (in many cases) - Faux brainwashed. Zombie Apocalypse.

[TeamPooka]

3. and then you find yourself at a WalMart

and realize that it's not the voting machines.
Not all of it anyway.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

8. Same here.

[msongs]

4. everybody knows this except for democratic party leadership and politicians who do little to

nothing about replacing the fraud machines with paper ballots hand counted at the precinct level. The media wants instant results, well screw the effing media. the integrity of the vote is more important.

[tblue]

12. They must know. But they have this 'can't do' attitude.

They don't take charge. They could but they don't.

[marlakay]

5. I personally think they allowed Obama to win fairly

and not steal it so he would have to deal with all the shit Bush caused. And this time they will steal it back.

[tblue]

13. I thought that too.

They 'let' him win, partly because he was not a threat. They knew he wouldn't go after the criminals of finance and the Bush Crime Family. They knew he'd be generous toward them.

Who's 'they'? The Machine that installs presidents: the nexus of Bushco/ALEC/MIC/multinational corporations.

[Huey P. Long]

19. This poster is awake. -eom

[KeepItReal]

6. As a computer programmer, a proprietary claim on vote counting systems is BS

You are simply adding votes...no major calculations are needed. Any beginning programmer could write a program to add votes.

Totals only need to be presented to precinct level officials... No Internet access, wifi, or central tabulation facility for the machines to dial into are needed.

These entities who claim thier voting systems and source code are unable to be publicly inspected and monitored need to be put out of business.

[unc70]

10. Voting machines are very complex systems

I agree that the software for voting machines and tabulations should be very open and transparent, with paper trails and audits. NC passed a good set of minimums a few years ago.

Even the best of cases, machine counting paper ballots is a complex task. Read my posts in this DU2 thread and I will be glad to share my expertise and 40+ years experience.

If you think counting is simple, you don't understand the problem. Somewhere I have a paper I wrote on this that is better organized.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3125116#3125579

[shcrane71]

15. Exactly. Voting and tallying votes is something we teach to first graders.

I think that after each election, all vote tallying should be done by hand, and the public should be able to watch the tally.

Confidence in our elections must be restored.

[bvar22]

18. The counting of the paper ballots can be monitored ...

.. the same way the Black Jack tables are monitored in casinos,
with a live internet feed from the video cameras.

No ballot boxes are removed (transported) from the voting station until the ballots are counted.
Live Internet Video Feed of the Chain of Custody.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

21. yes, time to use technology to our advantage

there is no reason why we should not have this, it would not be expensive...

[unc70]

20. I favor hand counted paper ballots

Back in DU2 I documented in detail how we did it here in NC about forty years ago. (And I helped!)

[wakemewhenitsover]

7. "Discussion of election fraud 'conspiracy theory' used to be banned on Daily Kos..."

"...which is why I’ve never followed the site..."

Hear, hear! It's why I left the site and never looked back. In 2004, when election fraud was an issue that demanded discussion, Kos cowardly toed the MSM line.

[goclark]

9. Wake Up Democrats!

When are we going to wake up and realize that this gang of Money/Power hogs with will stop at nothing!

That's why they "selected" Rmoney.

They just needed a puppet and they got one.
Now all they need to do is "work magic" on some machines and Bingo!
We will never recognize America the Beautiful again!

This is our last chance.

[southerncrone]

11. Amen.....could not have stated it better myself.

This is why they lie & smirk all the time. They take us for fools & Dem leadership keeps us in this position by not investigating.
Should we all just request paper ballots?

[goclark]

14. We need to get a receipt

... A receipt that could prove how you voted immediately., before you left the polling station. Or, if you mailed in your vote, you would still get a # that indicated that you voted for OBAMA etc.

I'm not a computer genius but I was thinking something like ....

You go online to Amazon--- you buy your 5 pillows, you click the button and your purchase is confirmed.

Then somehow, when the votes come in you can see that ballot number #208 VOTED for OBAMA and all the others on your ballot.

Could it also tell you how many other people in that polling location also voted for OBAMA?

IT would only have a number, not a name for who voted for him.


Of course I'm just dreaming because the Rethugs would NEVER let it happen and the last time I checked they are in Total Control of this country and certainly in control of this Election Suppression.

[Ghost of Huey Long]

22. that paper ballot needs to be hand counted at the precinct, posted election night

all precincts video taped, put on the net, chain of custody never in question

[crazylikafox]

16. about time

[ananda]

17. Yup.

Paper ballots only with a kept record of votes, please.

[bvar22]

23. It is really too bad that one has to go waaaaaaay out on the Fringe Left Wing...

...to find a Democrat willing to even TALK about this in public,
...and HE got "re-districted".

Why is there only SILENCE from our leadership on this most fundamental safeguard of our democracy?

---bvar22
formerly a mainstream/center, loyal, FDR/LBJ Working Class DEMOCRAT,
now relegated to the "Fringe Left Wing" of the New Democrat Centrist Party.
I haven't changed.