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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:56 PM Jan 2017

Trump Orders DC National Guard Chief To Leave In Middle Of Inaugural Ceremony

By CAITLIN MACNEAL Published JANUARY 13, 2017, 12:10 PM EDT


In a bizarre move, Donald Trump has demanded that the commanding officer of the Washington, D.C. National Guard resign from his post in the middle of the Inauguration ceremony, even though the general will be in the middle of helping oversee the event's security, the Washington Post reported on Friday.

Maj. Gen. Errol R. Schwartz will be removed from his post at 12:01 p.m. on Inauguration Day, just after Trump is sworn in but before the Inaugural parade begins, according to a memo obtained by the Washington Post.

Schwartz has helped plan the security for Inauguration weekend, and he will be charged with overseeing the D.C. National Guard as well as an additional 5,000 troops sent in for the weekend. But he will have to hand over commend to an interim officer in the middle of Inauguration Day.

“The timing is extremely unusual,” Schwartz told the Washington Post on Friday. “My troops will be on the street,” he added. “I’ll see them off but I won’t be able to welcome them back to the armory.”

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Trump Orders DC National Guard Chief To Leave In Middle Of Inaugural Ceremony (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2017 OP
Mr. Fake President, go Trump yourself! oasis Jan 2017 #1
He has absolutely no authority to make such demands. BSdetect Jan 2017 #2
It is an appointed position, but.. sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #10
Look at the date again. Bush appointee. JHB Jan 2017 #39
You're right. sarah FAILIN Jan 2017 #45
The question is itcfish Jan 2017 #3
What the fuck is going on? progressoid Jan 2017 #4
I didn't think I could get any more freaked out. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #5
Option 1. He wants the National Guard to "deal" with all the protesters, progressoid Jan 2017 #11
Option 3. Install a loyal general for when he imposes martial law. neverforget Jan 2017 #21
This is only the beginning.. coco22 Jan 2017 #19
He's getting ready to fire on protesters Generic Brad Jan 2017 #6
Yeah, progressoid Jan 2017 #15
Even if the protests are peaceful lapfog_1 Jan 2017 #32
That's sure what it feels like. GliderGuider Jan 2017 #17
Got a couple of... 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #18
Odd, I'm getting a few requests like that! GliderGuider Jan 2017 #20
Wear bullet-proof vests during all future protests after Jan 20. golfguru Jan 2017 #31
Guess that just made my decision about which march to take my kid to HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #34
To prevent a coup event after Trump gives his own hand written remarks. cbdo2007 Jan 2017 #8
Reichstag Fire! Bad Thoughts Jan 2017 #7
The only thing I can think of that would cause this MineralMan Jan 2017 #9
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #33
You could be right, but it strikes me as really odd MineralMan Jan 2017 #36
EVERYTHING this orange anus has done is really odd. Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #38
He was a Bush appointment - June 2008 n/t malaise Jan 2017 #42
And reappointed by Obama Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #46
I hear you malaise Jan 2017 #47
He was appointed by Bush. nt Mosby Jan 2017 #43
Bush appointee. n/t Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #50
And rubber-stamped by Obama Brother Buzz Jan 2017 #51
This is some DARK SHIT Achilleaze Jan 2017 #12
I wonder if after 12:01 Russia invades the Baltics? Nt maryellen99 Jan 2017 #23
That is NOT what the WaPo article stated Lurks Often Jan 2017 #13
That means that Obama could reappoint the General now? HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #35
We still don't know who gave the order in the first place Lurks Often Jan 2017 #37
Obama, like his predecessors, requested that his appointees submit their resignations onenote Jan 2017 #40
So the General could just withdraw his resignation and work the full day like he wants HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #44
No. Not if he's been given a notice that he is being terminated effective 12:01. onenote Jan 2017 #48
Too bad no one submitted their resignation effective 1/20/20 HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #49
Here's a photo of the General MineralMan Jan 2017 #14
Oh, well that explains a lot! smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #27
They want an "incident" to happen because there will be more protesters... joshcryer Jan 2017 #16
Yes they do then.. coco22 Jan 2017 #22
That's bizarre, but so is a whole lot of what Trump does. Vinca Jan 2017 #24
He wants a different commander in charge to do??? Steve Bannon, is that you??? winstars Jan 2017 #25
Trump will not rest until... Else You Are Mad Jan 2017 #26
Erasing history? Cracklin Charlie Jan 2017 #29
Let me put this out there atreides1 Jan 2017 #28
I saw a big truck carrying three Humvees today. Bonx Jan 2017 #53
Technically, the DC guard reports directly to the President. CincyDem Jan 2017 #30
Yes like Palpatine. greytdemocrat Jan 2017 #54
WaPo provides a little more info - but not much... jonno99 Jan 2017 #41
So the heads of every goverment departement, most of congress and the supreme court sdfernando Jan 2017 #52

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
10. It is an appointed position, but..
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:32 PM
Jan 2017

Obama didn't appoint him till June 2008. His career has been in the District. I hope there is something else he can do.

progressoid

(49,947 posts)
11. Option 1. He wants the National Guard to "deal" with all the protesters,
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:34 PM
Jan 2017

and doesn't trust the current commander.


Option 2. He and his inner circle of nazi freaks believe all the shit they spew and think the National Guard is going to stage a coup.


Option 3. ???

coco22

(1,258 posts)
19. This is only the beginning..
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:00 PM
Jan 2017

much more unbelieveable shit to come I am wondering how long it will take for his base to see he doesn't give a damn about them,A lot of them know but won't admit it. For the the people who say "give him a chance"to that I say NEVER,EVER,EVER,EVER,EVER!!!

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
6. He's getting ready to fire on protesters
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

If there was any doubt that a dictatorship has arrived, this puts a key piece in place to remove all doubts.

progressoid

(49,947 posts)
15. Yeah,
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:37 PM
Jan 2017

I was typing the same thing when you replied. I'm not expecting a "peaceful transition of power".

lapfog_1

(29,192 posts)
32. Even if the protests are peaceful
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:25 PM
Jan 2017

The "false flag" operatives will make sure that it is not.

That will give Trump the reason to stop the million woman march the next day... firing on them with (at the minimum) bean bags and tear gas.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
17. That's sure what it feels like.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

I'm really frightened that the streets are going to flow red in DC on the 20th. And I'm a fucking Canadian living in Ottawa!
This is a waking nightmare.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
34. Guess that just made my decision about which march to take my kid to
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jan 2017

I might roll the dice with my safety, but just mine.

MineralMan

(146,255 posts)
9. The only thing I can think of that would cause this
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:32 PM
Jan 2017

is if the General said something during the preparations that Trump didn't like. Basically, this will be Trump's first act after being inaugurated. What a bizarre thing to do - fire one of the people responsible for your safety on your first day in office.

Also, what a stupid thing to do as your first official act.

Brother Buzz

(36,380 posts)
33. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:25 PM
Jan 2017

I might suggest Trump is dumping him simple because he can. The General was an Obama appointment, and that's all the reason he needs.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
13. That is NOT what the WaPo article stated
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:35 PM
Jan 2017

Additionally Trump, Pence and none of the incoming administration has any authority to issue an order like this until after he is sworn in and replacing the commanding officer of the Washington DC National Guard is hardly a priority.

Who issued this order and why didn't the Washington Post report who issued the order if they had a copy of the memo relieving Gen. Schwartz of his command?


It might be related to his age as mandatory retirement for active duty Major Generals is 64 and Schwartz is a full time general in the Army National Guard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_general_(United_States)#Retirement

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
35. That means that Obama could reappoint the General now?
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jan 2017

Obama could reappoint all the envoys too, forcing Trump to fire them again? Which he might not do. Worth a try in my opinion.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
37. We still don't know who gave the order in the first place
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:42 PM
Jan 2017

(Unless something changed since my previous post)

WaPo has the memo, but doesn't say who gave the order and the White House isn't saying anything.

onenote

(42,590 posts)
40. Obama, like his predecessors, requested that his appointees submit their resignations
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:04 PM
Jan 2017

He did so on November 7 -- before the election, giving his appointees (well, most of them -- there are some exceptions) until December 7 to submit their resignations (presumably effective January 20). This gives the President-elect the opportunity to decide which, if any, of the outgoing president's appointees to keep on and which to allow to go. Typically, the incoming administration makes case by case determinations. But Trump's folks seem hell-bent on just letting everyone go, without regard to whether or not it makes sense in a particular case.

https://www.chcoc.gov/content/governmentwide-moratorium-senior-executive-service-ses-qualifications-review-board-qrb-cases

onenote

(42,590 posts)
48. No. Not if he's been given a notice that he is being terminated effective 12:01.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jan 2017

It's a song and dance that occurs whenever there is a turnover in administrations. The outgoing administration's appointees submit letters of resignation, often with conditional language that leaves it in the hands of the incoming administration to make the ultimate decision. The incoming administration sends out letters accepting the resignations and/or giving notice that the person is relieved of their position as of the moment the new administration takes office or sometimes asking them to stay on.

I don't know whether General Schwartz submitted a letter of resignation or not nor do I know what it says. The thing that makes this situation different from previous ones is that, as I said, incoming administrations typically make case-by-case decisions (its one of the main things the transition teams do) about who to ask to stay on. My impression is that the Trumpers haven't bothered to make those case-by-case determinations.

So, the reason to be concerned is not that they've singled out this guy. It's that they haven't attempted to single out anyone with regard to whether they should or shouldn't be asked to stay on.

joshcryer

(62,266 posts)
16. They want an "incident" to happen because there will be more protesters...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jan 2017

...than people there to celebrate.

And an "incident" will happen, because there is enough strife caused by this divisive election that something bad is bound to happen.

If people die or are seriously injured it will only allow for further chaos and the GOP always, ALWAYS benefits from chaos and ineptitude.

coco22

(1,258 posts)
22. Yes they do then..
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jan 2017

They will trot out Spicer or Kellayanne but at that point it probably will be Flynn or Bannon. They will try to blame every incident on BLM,Obama and/or Hillary.

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
24. That's bizarre, but so is a whole lot of what Trump does.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:12 PM
Jan 2017

He probably intends to install one of Flynn's cronies.

atreides1

(16,066 posts)
28. Let me put this out there
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:21 PM
Jan 2017

Anyone living near any US military bases, notice any unusual activity taking place? Bases where combat units are stationed...

CincyDem

(6,338 posts)
30. Technically, the DC guard reports directly to the President.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

So, Trump has the authority to relieve him of his post. Lots of questions about authority prior to 12:01pm next friday but the net effect is the same.

My concern is that every despot has their palace guard. A move like this leads me to believe Trump wants his own army, with no other links in the chain of command, to do his bidding.

This is going to get crazy.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
41. WaPo provides a little more info - but not much...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:05 PM
Jan 2017
He said his orders came from the Pentagon but that he doesn’t know who made the decision. It is unclear whether he is part of a larger class of federal workers who have been asked to leave their jobs as a new president takes office.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/commanding-general-of-dc-national-guard-to-be-removed-from-post/2017/01/13/725a0438-d99e-11e6-b8b2-cb5164beba6b_story.html

sdfernando

(4,925 posts)
52. So the heads of every goverment departement, most of congress and the supreme court
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:48 PM
Jan 2017

will be at the ignoration....perfect time for the coup, just after he's sworn in. His jackboots (personal security) arrest them all (or worse), and/or he has plants in the crowd start a riot. He calls out the national guard to restore order, declares Martial Law (across the whole US).....and we dictator herr drumpf.

I'm sure not looking forward to January 20.

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