Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:42 PM
kpete (38,893 posts)
Corporate Profits Just Hit An All-Time High, Wages Just Hit An All-Time LowLast edited Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:42 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)
1) Corporate profit margins just hit an all-time high. Companies are making more per dollar of sales than they ever have before. (And some people are still saying that companies are suffering from "too much regulation" and "too many taxes." Maybe little companies are, but big ones certainly aren't).
2) Fewer Americans are working than at any time in the past three decades. One reason corporations are so profitable is that they don't employ as many Americans as they used to.
3) Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. This is both cause and effect. One reason companies are so profitable is that they're paying employees less than they ever have as a share of GDP. And that, in turn, is one reason the economy is so weak: Those "wages" are other companies' revenue
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/corporate-profits-just-hit-an-all-time-high-wages-just-hit-an-all-time-low-2012-6#ixzz1yZnjmfOM
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| kpete | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| elleng | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| liberalmike27 | Jun 2012 | #42 | |
| newthinking | Jun 2012 | #46 | |
| elleng | Jun 2012 | #47 | |
| SoutherDem | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| CleanLucre | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| Quantess | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| CleanLucre | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| ananda | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| CleanLucre | Jun 2012 | #37 | |
| liberalmike27 | Jun 2012 | #43 | |
| inna | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| RKP5637 | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| CleanLucre | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| RKP5637 | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| CleanLucre | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| RKP5637 | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| HiPointDem | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| RKP5637 | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| newthinking | Jun 2012 | #45 | |
| Kablooie | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| RKP5637 | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| Stuart G | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| kpete | Jun 2012 | #36 | |
| Huey P. Long | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| upi402 | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| Laelth | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| freshwest | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| abelenkpe | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| freshwest | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| RKP5637 | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| Bonobo | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| upi402 | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| Angry Dragon | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| progressoid | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| malthaussen | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
| jp11 | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| Jake2413 | Jun 2012 | #31 | |
| Tuesday Afternoon | Jun 2012 | #32 | |
| bvar22 | Jun 2012 | #33 | |
| rudycantfail | Jun 2012 | #34 | |
| Scout | Jun 2012 | #35 | |
| Broderick | Jun 2012 | #38 | |
| Tierra_y_Libertad | Jun 2012 | #39 | |
| Initech | Jun 2012 | #40 | |
| tclambert | Jun 2012 | #41 | |
| Curmudgeoness | Jun 2012 | #44 | |
| rtracey | Jun 2012 | #48 | |
| Ghost of Huey Long | Jun 2012 | #49 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:46 PM
elleng (40,520 posts)
1. Somethings VERY WRONG.
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. W.B. Yeats, The Second Coming |
Response to elleng (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:53 PM
liberalmike27 (1,990 posts)
42. All Proceeds Along According to Plan
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Globalization is good for "us" they say. "Us."
Who is "us" when they say that. They promote the idea that we're all going to benefit. But our governments at all levels are bankrupted of the tax money once collected when 30 million good, union jobs once thrived here in the U.S., so I think you'll have to look to the corporate profits to find the "us" they are talking about. |
Response to liberalmike27 (Reply #42)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:36 PM
newthinking (282 posts)
46. To sum it up: More prosperity than ever before, yet more poverty and suffering?
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How can that be?
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Response to newthinking (Reply #46)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:01 PM
elleng (40,520 posts)
47. That can be/is because
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NO ONE has what it takes to organize the world to assure labor prospers along with capital.
With transportation/communication, results of industrial revolution etc. its not reasonable to deny all economies are linked. We ALL, around the globe, need to recogiize we can all prosper if/when we were truly linked through agreements between international labor and capital. DEFINITELY not holding my breath, but if there were real statespeople around, such dreams might be more fruitful. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:47 PM
SoutherDem (2,151 posts)
2. Isn't that proof positive that trickle down does not work
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If it did the two should move in the same direction.
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Response to SoutherDem (Reply #2)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:35 PM
CleanLucre (284 posts)
8. or is it proof that Trickle Down does work?
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This was the goal.
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Response to CleanLucre (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:29 AM
Quantess (23,930 posts)
26. Excellent point.
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Welcome to DU!
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Response to Quantess (Reply #26)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:19 AM
CleanLucre (284 posts)
28. Sad but true
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Thanks!!
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Response to CleanLucre (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:31 AM
ananda (12,514 posts)
30. Trickle down has always been, actually, Flood up.
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nt
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Response to ananda (Reply #30)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:36 PM
CleanLucre (284 posts)
37. or maybe suck up
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the bloodsuckers feed, the rest suck it up.
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Response to CleanLucre (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:54 PM
liberalmike27 (1,990 posts)
43. Yep. It works.
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But for whom?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:50 PM
inna (8,809 posts)
3. oh boy. an *all" time record, yet again?... depressing.
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it's a feature, not a bug. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:53 PM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
4. Just briefly looking at these curves tells me there is too much supply
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and not enough demand. While some corporations will do well internationally unless many workers have income to buy goods the story for the US is in general pretty dismal. Most citizens will not lead a life very high on the standard of living index. The wealth of the nation will grow, but the standard of living will fall, as the wealth is severely skewed to a few percent.
Correction is needed, but in this highly charged political environment and corporate owned government nothing short of another Great Depression will bring this country back on track IMO. And this is why one sees DHS merging with local police to police the masses if chaos breaks out. All of the handwriting is on the wall if one looks. |
Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:38 PM
CleanLucre (284 posts)
9. What would make where we are
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look more like "another Great Depression"? (Fewer $20 cocktail drinkers, in my neighborhood)
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Response to CleanLucre (Reply #9)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:07 PM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
13. I think just worse, what is needed is for the $20 cocktail drinkers to fall too like in 1929. n/t
Response to RKP5637 (Reply #13)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:39 PM
CleanLucre (284 posts)
19. Isn't the current illusion
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held up by credit cards? These pretentious partiers got no money!!!!!
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Response to CleanLucre (Reply #19)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:55 AM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
24. Yep! Wealth is vaporware. n/t
Response to RKP5637 (Reply #4)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:17 AM
HiPointDem (16,879 posts)
22. or it could mean that wealth is being extracted from the us & invested overseas, creating demand
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there.
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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:54 AM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
23. Yes, exactly, and that benefits the majority of us little ...
Response to HiPointDem (Reply #22)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:33 PM
newthinking (282 posts)
45. That is simple economics. We can only keep our quality of life through policies protecting us
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Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:34 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) It always surprises me when that we haven't seemed to figure out the obvious. Because it is such a simple part of economic theory. If people will work for 1/4 of what you get paid they will outcompete you.
That is the problem with the "free trade" ideology. Until we are at parity, it will be disasterous. Add to that darwinian capitalism and the accumulation of prosperity at the top strata and it seems we will *never* get to that parity even this way. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:26 PM
Kablooie (8,849 posts)
5. Which means corporations will do even more of what they've been doing.
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and wages will continue to sink and jobs will continue to disappear.
Until the corporate profits start to decline we can't expect anything to change - at all! Normally taxes correct this kind of thing by eliminating profit from actions that hurt the country but just the opposite is true now. The only citizens that count today are corporate citizens. Human citizens are not important any more. |
Response to Kablooie (Reply #5)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:12 PM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
14. Yep, and not only do we not tax them, we give money to the
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banks interest free. Or I think it's negative interest now. What a deal. And Bernanke I believe just recently said interest rates will not change until in 2014. The only recovery really going on is for the top few percent. Meanwhile, about 50% of this country is in or near poverty.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:29 PM
Stuart G (7,671 posts)
6. thanks for posting...very important...K and R nt.
Response to Stuart G (Reply #6)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:57 PM
kpete (38,893 posts)
36. i thought so too
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peace,
kp |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:30 PM
Huey P. Long (1,932 posts)
7. The OP should get massive recs.
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Huey Long: Share the Wealth
December 1934. Huey Long speaks passionately about income inequality and the wealthy in the United States. |
Response to Huey P. Long (Reply #7)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:32 PM
upi402 (16,588 posts)
18. now we are ON the BBQ
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and not just letting one man take 90% of the food.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:43 PM
Laelth (13,348 posts)
10. k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t
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-Laelth
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:53 PM
freshwest (31,398 posts)
11. Wow, if only we could teach Americans the inevitable connection between the two.
Response to freshwest (Reply #11)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:06 PM
abelenkpe (7,117 posts)
12. I think dems get it
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It's republicans....and I mean the poor people duped into voting for them.......that we need to get the message to. Unfortunately they've been programmed to not believe anything a dem or liberal has to say.
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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #12)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:24 PM
freshwest (31,398 posts)
16. Yep. Scarey living with them.
Response to abelenkpe (Reply #12)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:00 AM
RKP5637 (25,592 posts)
25. Ignorance is the republicans best friend. And they work very hard at
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educating many of the masses to be ignorant. Any with a bit of insight would say WTF, but that does not happen to the majority and to "not believe anything a dem or liberal has to say." Nothing short of a major great depression will reset the US I fear.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:18 PM
Bonobo (20,521 posts)
15. You see, Republicans! he's not Anti-Business!
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In fact, he is all you could have wished form in terms of corporatist policies. so what are you attacking him as anti-business?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:30 PM
upi402 (16,588 posts)
17. there you go with those liberal fact thingies
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sheez, are you trying to trouble mah beautiful mind?
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:57 AM
progressoid (27,292 posts)
21. Woohoo! Good thing we kept them from failing!
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:06 AM
malthaussen (2,223 posts)
27. All-time lowest profits under Reagan
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Isn't it interesting that, according to the top graph, the all-time lowest profits ever were recorded in the midst of Reagan's rulership? Reagan, the saviour of us all? Even with the huge plunge when the current depression began, profits were higher than under Saint Ronnie.
There's also an interesting correlation of the times of highest profit with times of war, but a couple of peaks are left unaccounted for by that. -- Mal |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:29 AM
jp11 (2,104 posts)
29. Income extraction works
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greed is good, if you aren't growing you are dying, run leaner, do more with less, increase productivity, anyone is replaceable, unions push out good american jobs.
No one should have it better than I do unless they are rich because I might get rich and if you are rich then you absolutely did it all on your own had no breaks, no luck, and are the only person who can take credit for your amazing success. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jake2413 (122 posts)
31. Corporations have a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit
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at the expense of everything else. That is why they need to be regulated and have STRONG laws that are enforced when they are broken. Government's responsibility is to protect citizens from corporate abuse, something the Republicans have yet to understand.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:26 PM
Tuesday Afternoon (43,885 posts)
32. push 'em down. push 'em down. Way Down!
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Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:27 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) way to go Fat Cat MotherFuckers. goddamn you all to forty levels of hell.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:04 PM
bvar22 (29,515 posts)
33. Everybody Calm DOWN!
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All we need is :
*MORE "Free Trade", *MORE Privatized (Charter) Schools *fire some more teachers, cut pay for the rest *an increase in Military Spending and more Drone attacks *more drilling & pipelines *a few more Bank Bailouts *add a few more countries to the War on Terror *give all the farms to Monsanto *make it MORE expensive to go to school *bust a few more medical marijuana Dispensaries *get rid of some more Public Employees & their pensions *grind the Post Office into the dirt *make everybody buy Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations *bring in more low wage workers to compete for the increasingly rare Working Class jobs, *bust a few more unions *lose a few more Pensions *foreclose a few more home owners *make it CRYSTAL CLEAR that dissent WILL be violently suppressed with nationally co-ordinated militarized police forces ....and things will start turning around! Trust me. There is a light at the end of the tunnel! Just wait a few more Friedman Units!
Cherish your memories, SUCKERS! Cuz we're TAKING everything else! We WON! Hahahahahahaha! |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:12 PM
rudycantfail (300 posts)
34. I just can't wait
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to be hit again with that old hammer.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:20 PM
Scout (8,317 posts)
35. thanks for that
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sharing to facebook for my right wing "friends"
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:38 PM
Broderick (4,578 posts)
38. In addition to that
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The labor force is down quite a bit (total people working), and the population is up.
None of it is good to be honest. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:41 PM
Tierra_y_Libertad (36,255 posts)
39. "The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor." Voltaire
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:04 PM
Initech (38,842 posts)
40. I think we need to get a serious dialogue going about rethinking what profit means in our society.
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All companies do now is stack billions, pay zero taxes and get away with flat out thievery - until they start putting that money back into hiring workers - and - gasp - paying them fairly - we're never gonna dig our way out of this shit hole. Fuck Reagan and reagonomics.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:17 PM
tclambert (5,529 posts)
41. Yay! Corporations are winning! Go, corporations, go! Down with people.
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Oh, wait, corporations are people. Mitt Romney and the Supreme Court said so. Anyway, I guess I can quit worrying about the killer robots taking over. The corporations will wipe out humanity. You know what? If human beings won't fight back, they deserve to go extinct.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:57 PM
Curmudgeoness (10,489 posts)
44. This says all there is to make an idiot understand
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what the problem is....too bad there are too many idiots these days.
I think that the last statement in #3 says it all: "Those "wages" are other companies' revenue." |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:55 PM
rtracey (166 posts)
48. President correct
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Looks like the statement, the private sector is doing fine really was true huh.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:01 PM
Ghost of Huey Long (322 posts)
49. Our founders intended on corporations paying Tariffs
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If we didn't allow them to keep so much money, maybe they wouldn't be able to buy off our politicians and public airwaves.
Tariffs were the main source of all Federal revenue from 1790 to 1914. At the end of American Civil War in 1865 about 63% of Federal income was generated by the excise taxes which exceeded the 25.4% generated by tariffs. In 1915 during World War I tariffs generated only 30.1% of revenues. Since 1935 tariff income has continued to be a declining percentage of Federal tax income. year % of Budget Paid by Tariffs 1792 95.0% 1795 91.6% 1800 83.7% 1805 95.4% 1810 91.5% 1815 46.4% 1820 83.9% 1825 97.9% 1830 88.2% 1835 54.1% 1840 64.2% 1845 91.9% 1850 91.0% 1855 81.2% 1863 55.9% 1864 38.7% 1865 25.4% 1870 47.3% 1880 55.3% 1885 56.1% 1890 57.0% 1900 41.1% 1910 34.6% 1913 44.0% 1915 30.1% 1916 27.3% 1917 20.1% 1918 25.8% 1920 13.2% 1925 14.5% 1928 14.0% 1930 14.1% 1935 8.4% 1940 6.1% 1942 2.9% 1944 0.9% 1946 0.9% 1948 0.9% 1950 0.9% 1951 1.1% 1955 0.8% 1960 1.1% 1965 1.2% 1970 1.3% 1975 1.3% 1980 1.4% 1985 1.6% 1990 1.1% 1995 1.4% 2000 1.0% 2005 1.1% 2010 1.2% |


