Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:02 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
The Stealing of the 2000 Presidential Election
I'm currently working with a publisher, Biting Duck Press, to publish a book (title as yet undetermined) on the corruption in our election system. We intend to have it published prior to the November election, and hope that it will help to make Americans more vigilant and concerned about the way our elections are run. I’ve drafted most of the book. I am currently intending to post large portions of it on DU, in the hope of stimulating discussion and obtaining useful feedback. I’ll start with a portion of the first chapter:
THE STEALING OF THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION Going into Election Day 2000, the Presidential election between Al Gore and George W. Bush was judged to be very close. Three battleground states with early closing times – Florida, Pennsylvania, and Michigan – were polling very close and held the key to victory. Pundits had been saying that if either candidate won all three of them, that would be the ball game. Election Day 2000 Florida initially looked very promising for Gore. Turnout appeared to be very high, especially in African-American and other Democratic areas. Florida was called for Gore early in the evening, beginning at 7:52 p.m., less than an hour after their polls closed. Then the Pennsylvania polls closed, and the election there was said to be too close to call. Shortly after that, the Michigan polls closed and Michigan was immediately called for Gore. An hour or so later, Pennsylvania was called for Gore. With the polls yet to close in the western states, the election appeared to be virtually over, with a victory for Gore. But then, in a very rare reversal of a network call, starting at 10:13 p.m., the networks took Florida out of the Gore column and called it “too close to call”. Not long after that, it became evident that the winner of Florida would win the election. Then, at 2:16 a.m. Wednesday morning, the networks began calling Florida for Bush. At 2:30 a.m. Gore phoned Bush to concede Florida and the national election. It was at that point that I went to bed. At about 3:30 a.m. my wife woke me up to tell me that Florida – and with that the whole election – had been put back in the undecided column. I didn’t believe her. The professionals surely wouldn’t reverse their call on the same state twice in the same election! I went back to sleep. I woke up later that morning to go to work, looked at the TV, and noticed that Florida was now colored white instead of red on the electoral map. What the hell was going on? I listened to the news reports and discovered that Bush was still ahead in the election by 1,784 votes – about three hundredths of a percent lead. Because of the narrowness of the Bush lead, an automatic recount was proceeding, as required by Florida law. That recount, conducted by the same machines that produced the original vote count with Bush up by about 1,784 votes, ended on Friday, November 10, with Bush leading by about 327 votes according to the Associated Press, with all counties having reported their results. By that time, Gore had already requested a full hand recount of four Democratic counties. Why couldn’t the TV networks get it right? The TV networks explained their two bad calls (calling Florida for Gore, reversing that, calling it for Bush, and then reversing that too) with the simple phrase, “bad data”. In other words, they hardly explained it at all. But a consideration of those two bad calls – for Gore, and then for Bush – is very important in providing an understanding of what went wrong in this election. Similarly, it is also very important to understand why the automatic machine recount reduced the Bush margin of victory by about 80%. First bad call – The butterfly ballot and exit polls deviating from the official vote count First, let’s consider the first bad call – for Gore. Why was Florida called for Gore so early? The fact is that early election predictions and calls are based on a combination of exit polls and official vote counts. Exit polls measure who the voters think they voted for. Normally voters know who they voted for. But in Palm Beach County, Florida, in 2000, a “butterfly ballot” was used for voting for President. The butterfly ballot was very confusing, as Al Gore’s name was listed next to two third party candidates – Patrick Buchanan and Socialist candidate David McReynolds – on the adjacent page, making it difficult to tell which hole punches corresponded to which candidate. This undoubtedly caused many voters who intended to vote for Gore to vote for either Buchanan or McReynolds or one of those candidates plus Gore – in which case the ballot would be rejected as an “over-vote”. As noted in “The Miami Herald Report: Democracy Held Hostage”, page 15: The controversial, confusing butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County siphoned many additional votes from Gore. Does anyone really believe that the largely Jewish or black populations of that county intended to vote for conservative Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan at rates far higher than the rest of the state? … “I came out of the ballot box totally confused,” said Lillian Gaines, sixty-seven, of West Palm Beach, one of hundreds of people in Palm Beach County who complained they were led astray by the poorly designed punch-card ballot…”
Even the far right wing fringe candidate Patrick Buchanan acknowledged as much, noting that of the 3,407 votes he received in Palm Beach County, only about ten percent of them were meant for him. “The rest, I’m quite sure, were Gore votes”, he said. Another line of evidence that supports the idea that Gore lost large numbers of votes due to ballot confusion is the fact that thousands of ballots were rejected as over-votes because they contained votes for more than one candidate. This could have happened when a voter felt that s/he had mistakenly voted for one candidate, so attempted to correct the error by voting for the originally intended candidate. With the Palm Beach County butterfly ballot, there were 5,352 over-vote ballots marked for both Gore and Buchanan, in contrast to only 1,676 marked for both Bush and Buchanan (Another 2,864 voters voted for both Gore and McReynolds). All of these ballots were rejected in the final vote count. Making the logical assumption that the vast majority of Gore/Buchanan ballots were meant for Gore and the vast majority of Bush/Buchanan ballots were meant for Bush, Gore would have netted at least 1,500 additional votes in Palm Beach County had these voters voted as intended. Finally, the most direct evidence of who the voter intended to vote for when an over-vote was produced would be the writing in of a candidate’s name at the bottom of the ballot. Voters wrote in Gore’s name on 2,182 over-votes, while they wrote in Bush’s name on 1,309 over-votes. Many of these ballots involved two votes for Gore – one next to his name and the other for the write-in candidate, where Gore’s name was added by the voter. All of these ballots were excluded from the vote count. Had these ballots on which the intent of the voter was clearly indicated been counted, Gore would have picked up 873 additional net votes, far more than he needed to win the election. The bottom line of all this discussion with regard to the question of why the election in Florida was initially called for Gore is that many thousands of voters who thought they were voting for Gore actually voted for Buchanan or Reynolds or produced over-votes that were excluded. These voters would have responded to exit polls by saying they were voting for Gore – hence the initial call for Gore. But as the official vote count became more and more complete, the exit polls became irrelevant to predicting the official election results. That is when the call for Gore was reversed. In other words, the “bad data” was the result of voters who intended to vote for Gore and thought they had voted for Gore, but whose vote, whether or not they wrote Gore’s name on the ballot, was never counted for Gore. Second bad call – due to an electronic “glitch” The basis of the second bad call, which caused the networks to make the call for Bush as having won both Florida and the national election, at 2:16 a.m. on Wednesday, November 8, can be explained by the following report: Deland, FL, Nov. 11 -- Something very strange happened on election night to Deborah Tannenbaum, a Democratic Party official in Volusia County. At 10 p.m., she called the county elections department and learned that Al Gore was leading George W. Bush 83,000 votes to 62,000. But when she checked the county's Web site for an update half an hour later, she found a startling development: Gore's count had dropped by 16,000 votes, while an obscure Socialist candidate had picked up 10,000 – all because of a single precinct with only 600 voters.
At 2:09 a.m. Volusia County’s erroneous numbers were added to Voter News Service’s tabulations, and less than ten minutes later Florida and the U.S. election were called for Bush. The error in Volusia County had cost Gore (temporarily) 16,021 votes. Another computer error in Brevard County reduced Gore’s vote total by another 4,000 votes. After the call was made for Bush, as Jeffrey Toobin writes in his book, "Too Close to Call: The Thirty-Six Day Battle to Decide the 2000 election": Unwilling to take the television networks reports at face value, one of Gore’s campaign staffers did a little investigating and discovered that the networks erred in stating that 50,000 votes from Volusia county were cast for Bush. Turns out that Gore was ahead by 13,000 votes in Volusia and trailing Bush by 6,000 votes overall. Something was wrong in Volusia it would be revealed later.
The computer glitches in Volusia and Brevard Counties were discovered and corrected, and consequently the TV networks again reversed their call, taking Florida out of the Bush column and calling it “too close to call”, where it remained for several weeks. The computer error in Volusia Counter was later publicly said to be due to a faulty memory card, with little or no further explanation. It was considered to be accidental, nobody was prosecuted for it, and it stirred up little national attention or concern. The bigger questions are: 1) Were these computer errors purposeful or accidental; and 2) How many other computer errors occurred that night that were not caught? Probably few people will ever know the answers to these questions. After all, as I will discuss in Chapter 3, the results produced by these electronic voting machines cannot be verified. So unless the errors are massive, as they were in Volusia County, there is little chance of catching them. At least one computer voting expert, Bev Harris, author of Black Box Voting, believes she has good evidence that the error was purposeful, though it didn’t work exactly as planned. Why did the automatic machine recount reduce Bush’s lead by 80% – from 1784 to 327? In order to understand the 2000 Presidential election and its importance to future elections in our country, it is instructive to understand the reason why the machine recount reduced Bush’s lead by 80%. The reduction in Bush’s lead following the machine recount was due almost entirely to the addition of Gore votes in counties that used punch card voting machines. As punch card machines get old they become less efficient at what they are supposed to do – punch holes in ballots. Consequently, use of the older machines often results in failures to fully punch a hole in the card. In some cases the hole may be nearly complete, so that a piece of cardboard (called a chad) is barely hanging from the card, in other cases there may be just a small hole in the card, and in still other cases there may be no tear at all, but only a little dimple. The vote counting component of the machine can only count votes for hole punches that are complete, that is, where any remaining cardboard material is not covering the hole. Thus it is that failures to punch complete holes in the card reduce the vote count. But the act of running cards through the machine a second time tends to cause stray pieces of cardboard that are only loosely attached to the card to fall off, thus enabling the machine to read the ballots as votes where the hole is punched. For a variety of political reasons, poor areas generally have to make do with older machines than wealthier areas. Consequently, poor areas are generally characterized by a much greater number of undervotes (ballots that register no vote because the hole is not complete) than wealthier areas. Since poor areas tend to vote Democratic, that means that Democratic candidates tend to suffer from this problem. Thus it was that as the cards were run through the machine a second time and many of the hanging chads broke off, the Democratic candidate, Al Gore, gained ground. This is a problem that almost routinely occurs in almost all elections that use the Votomatic punch card voting machines, not just the 2000 Presidential election in Florida. In my next post in this series I’ll discuss the highly controversial 36 day Florida recount, which ended when the U.S. Supreme Court abruptly ended the vote count and awarded the Florida and thereby the national election to George W. Bush in what many consider to be one of the three worst U.S. Supreme Court decisions in U.S. history.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:10 PM
russspeakeasy (5,720 posts)
1. I hope you are prepared for success.
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Congratulations and I look forward to your next post.
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Response to russspeakeasy (Reply #1)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:29 AM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
19. Thank you.
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:14 PM
sabrina 1 (34,032 posts)
2. Thank you for this clear explanation of what happened. I was in Europe at the time and
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wasn't keeping up with the news, other than wondering why it was taking so long to declare a winner, who I was certain would be Gore.
Good luck with your book, it is a good time for it with what is going on in Florida right now. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #2)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:22 AM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
20. Thanks -- There were a great many of us that felt certain that Gore had won
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After the networks called Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania for Gore, it appeared to be over. It wasn't too long after that that 16 thousand votes for Bush showed up in Volusia County in a precinct with 600 voters and that the networks quickly jumped on that to call Florida and the national election for Bush. God only knows how many votes Bush accumulated in that way on a lesser scale which was never identified.
Good point about Florida. They appear to be trying to do the exact same thing that they did in 2000 and 2004. Their Republican Governor Charlie Crist wouldn't go along with that crap in 2008. You have to admire him for that. Too bad he lost his bid for the U.S. Senate. |
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:29 PM
bleever (20,599 posts)
3. VERY happy to hear this.
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I know it will be an excellent book, coming from one of DU's very best researchers and writers.
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Response to bleever (Reply #3)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:19 AM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
26. Thank you so much, bleever
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I hope you like it.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:32 PM
indepat (18,882 posts)
4. One of the three worst U.S. Supreme Court decisions in history and, imnsho,
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the felonious five gets more feloniouser by the day. Anxiously await your book: hope you take no prisoners.
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Response to indepat (Reply #4)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:19 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
38. Thanks. With regard to "take no prisoners":
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The first time I wrote about the coup de tat by the felonious five (which was my first DU post ever --Lest we Forget -- posted under another name) I referred to them as the "supreme scumbuckets". I've toned it down a bit for the book, but maybe I shouldn't. I'd like to know what my publisher will think of that idea.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 08:44 PM
Rosa Luxemburg (21,964 posts)
5. Looking forward to reading your new book
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Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:00 PM
FailureToCommunicate (4,399 posts)
6. And Al Gore himself said 'Well, if the supreme court ruled...what could we do? The next step would
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have to be revolution'
And the rest, as they say, is history.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:29 PM
Gregorian (19,601 posts)
7. This is excellent.
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After watching every minute of the election process that was broadcast, I came away from the 2000 election thinking that it had followed the democratic process. Only years afterward on this forum did I realize how wrong I was. Now I'm not ignorant, but I might as well have been. And being more vigilant than many, and liberal, I know there are many who still don't realize the terrible injustice that was done to this country through that flawed election.
I can't praise you enough for doing this. For all you know it may be the thing that makes the difference. |
Response to Gregorian (Reply #7)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:43 PM
Art_from_Ark (16,883 posts)
14. I knew that something was rotten in Denmark
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when I heard that bu$h's brother was governor of the key state and his campaign manager was counting the votes.
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Response to Gregorian (Reply #7)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:14 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
42. Thank you very much. The many people who don't have any idea what happened in the 2000 Florida
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election can be largely chalded up to woefully inadequate coverage of our communications media.
It would be really great if this book made a difference in that regard. |
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:32 PM
jillan (31,392 posts)
8. A book that very badly needs to be written. Thank you for doing this!!
Response to jillan (Reply #8)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:28 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
44. My pleasure
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:59 PM
Turbineguy (16,528 posts)
9. Very Timely
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Since we are about to do it again....
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:05 PM
rhett o rick (26,618 posts)
10. Welcome to DU3. This is the first post of yours in DU3 I have seen.
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Glad you are posting here. I have read part of your book and have a few comments. I am remiss in not getting back to you.
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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #10)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:29 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
45. I'll be interested to hear them, thanks.
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:06 PM
patrice (47,281 posts)
11. Thanks!!! for this. Looking forward to your article on the Florida recount!
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Response to patrice (Reply #11)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:49 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
50. Thanks
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I'll post it tonight
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:50 PM
solarman350 (136 posts)
12. Please Offer Your Book as Downloadable eBook (pdf, Nook, Kindle)
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Last edited Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:51 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) That way, you can sell 24/7/365 and your book will reach a larger audience.
--Hope that helps. SolarMan350 |
Response to solarman350 (Reply #12)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:52 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
51. Thanks for the advice
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But I don't know if my publisher deals with that kind of stuff.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 11:07 PM
hay rick (3,482 posts)
13. Excellent as usual.
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Look forward to your future posts on this bitter subject and catastrophic turning point in American history.
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Response to hay rick (Reply #13)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:56 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
53. Thank you -- This was indeed a bitter and catastrophic event
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Just think: If just the over-votes would have been counted we probably would have had no war with Iraq or Afghanistan; no 9/11; no major recession; we'd be well on our way to dealing with saving our planet for human habitation. Well, maybe I'm dreaming, but that's the way I see it.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:09 AM
crazyjoe (1,191 posts)
15. Awsome writing, you are good. This is just what we need to wake up the sheep.
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I look forward to reading the next in the series, that was the most stressful 36 days of my life!!
Will you have this published and available in time to the election? God, i hope so. friggin votomatic machines!! |
Response to crazyjoe (Reply #15)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:59 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
54. Thank you -- Every day we felt like the weight of the world was hanging on what
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was going on in Florida.
The plan is to have it availabe prior to the election. I can't say for sure, I guess it depends on whether my publisher is satisfied with my product. |
Response to Time for change (Reply #54)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:17 PM
crazyjoe (1,191 posts)
79. based on the sample, not only will they be satisfied,
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they will be ecstatic!! In order to make a real impact, you need to get Rachel, the turks, big Ed, all talking about this book. Have you sent anything over to MSNBC?
Another idea would be to ask Keith Olberman to maybe write the forward for you? Or even better, the man himself, Al Gore. That would lend legitimacy, and get publicity. |
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:23 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,342 posts)
16. The first thing I said to my brother when guy came running down the steps
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of the US Supreme Court and said the ruling would make Bush the President was, "That's it! We're going to war!"
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:58 AM
Overseas (10,855 posts)
17. Great to see you again! Glad you are taking on this topic. It now seems like a long term game plan
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on the part of the determined right wing, to solidify corporate control of our country.
You didn't mention the voter roll purging, conducted by Jeb's darling Secretary of State's office, perhaps because Greg Palast has already covered that very well. http://www.gregpalast.com/one-million-black-votes-didnt-count-in-the-2000-presidential-election-rnits-not-too-hard-to-get-your-vote-lost-if-some-politicians-want-it-to-be-lost/ and http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm But it is quite relevant today, with Republicans across the country trying to cull their voter rolls of likely Democrats. In Jeb's case they pretended to be eliminating felons from their rolls and cut those whose last names resembled those of felons. The data mining company even told them their cuts were too broad and they'd probably want the company to refine them and that company was told not to bother. Today Rick Scott I think is the one culling Hispanic surnames claiming to be trying to catch "illegals" on the voter rolls. I remember when watching the hand recount, we were supposed to be thinking how ridiculous it all was-- ogling the hanging chads and such. How clumsy and cumbersome those dang paper ballots were! It now seems to have been designed to encourage people to accept the electronic voting systems-- even with proprietary software designed by supporters of the GOP! And the Brooks Brothers riots in the polling place were meant to add to the sense of how messy and unruly those darned paper ballots can be. I feel funny thinking of how much seems pre-planned, and yet, I remember thinking, during the smarmy impeachment hearings of Clinton, with all the pundit commentary about what a drain this was on our country, that the whole show may have been designed to sour us all on pursuing impeachment ever again because the GOP had someone really bad in the wings. And they did. And our Nancy took impeachment off the table because it would be so divisive and draining for our country. That was really eerie. Because it would not have been divisive and draining-- it would have been an ultimate reality check. Instead, our country went on to have a snazzy new drama on Fox called "24" that made torture look cool. Here and now, while we are understandably alarmed by right wing voter roll purging and voter ID restrictions aimed at reducing the number of eligible Democratic voters in 2012, and fighting against them, we are not eliminating electronic voting or changing it to eliminate proprietary secret software and require receipts and auditable paper trails. Even though those systems have been proven susceptible to manipulation time and again. I look forward to your descriptions of the live TV airing of the electronic voting systems being hacked and tallies flipped. And your references to the reports of software engineers on the lack of integrity in the electronic voting systems nationwide. And how John Conyers was relegated to a basement room when trying to hold hearings on election integrity. Thank you for reminding me of all the twists and turns of election 2000. I know I've jumped ahead to raise issues about subsequent elections when electronic vote flips in the wee hours led to final counts at quite significant disparity with exit polls. It may be worthwhile including information about how often we have judged other countries' elections as fraudulent based on such disparities. Because in the meantime, our pundits have come up with all kinds of ridiculous explanations about why we just can't trust those darn exit polls here in the USA. Sadly, in addition to pouring billions into lobbying and campaign contributions to undermine our democracy, there has been a concerted campaign to destroy our annoying right to vote. And each of those mysterious vote flips were explained away by those awful right wing smear campaigns-- look at those horrible ads they ran against the war heroes, Max Cleland and John Kerry. Look at those deceptive robocalls and fliers misdirecting people about where they should vote. While the electronic voting manipulations were being field tested, there were always old fashioned dirty tricks going on to divert our attention. And sober discussion about how the nation just preferred the Beer Guy Torturer to the Dusty Patrician War Hero. How the "regular folk" just had to have preferred the draft dodging Bush boy to the uptight geek who wanted to save the planet and put the social security funds into a damn lock box. I'm still stunned, having stayed awake during the wee hours of the 2004 election and after reading so much about electronic voting, that here we are again, looking at GOP dirty tricks and shameless voter purging efforts and billionaires buying candidates with understandable alarm, without having addressed the integrity of our electronic voting systems in any substantial way. We all seem to be pretending that we don't know what can and has been done. We are supposed to tell one another that nothing has been proven, when it has. So thank you for taking it all on. I look forward to reading more and getting the book to remind me of what I have lived through, because we do try so hard to forget. |
Response to Overseas (Reply #17)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:35 AM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
22. I love your discussion of the corporate news media comparisons of Gore and Bush
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So right on target.
I'll get to the 2000 Florida voter purges in post # 3 of this series. And the pending 2012 Florida voter purges later on. There is so much to talk about. Pelosi taking impeachment off of the table was indeed eerie. And so disappointing. I wish I knew why she did it. Was her life in danger? Or just her new job? Yes indeed, "we are supposed to tell one another that nothing has been proven, when it has". Trying to explain the reasons for the national silence on this issue is perhaps the greatest challenge I'm trying to deal with. |
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:00 AM
AzDar (8,756 posts)
18. K & R
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Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:01 AM
raouldukelives (2,371 posts)
21. K&R nt
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Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:52 AM
mnhtnbb (11,489 posts)
23. Looking forward to your book. Thanks for the preview.
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Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:00 AM
Tuesday Afternoon (43,794 posts)
24. will it be out in time for xmas?
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congratulations! |
Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #24)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:27 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
55. Thanks - The plan is to get it out in enough time before the election that it can be useful
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Hope it works.
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Response to Time for change (Reply #55)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:47 PM
Tuesday Afternoon (43,794 posts)
59. good idea. Hope you make it. Congrats!
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 09:01 AM
greytdemocrat (1,611 posts)
25. Should be a blast to read! nt
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 10:51 AM
RevStPatrick (1,872 posts)
27. Looks good, and badly needed.
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Haven't seen you around here in a while.
I always enjoyed your writing. I remember going to bed on election night, thinking that Al Gore had won. And then waking up the next morning, and Bush had won. It was like waking up in a completely different world, and nothing has been the same ever since. Frankly, I would probably never actually read this book, because I followed everything pretty closely back in the day, and have no desire to relive the horror that we went through back then! But I probably would buy this book, and maybe even multiple copies to give to people who still don't understand what happened. Good luck! |
Response to RevStPatrick (Reply #27)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:29 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
57. Thank you.
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:15 AM
KoKo (69,512 posts)
28. K&R....
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Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:21 AM
Ellipsis (5,560 posts)
29. Excellent! I can't think anyone who'd bring a more thorough fact based retrospective. K&R
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Response to Ellipsis (Reply #29)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:30 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
58. Thank you
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:35 AM
JustAnotherGen (5,581 posts)
30. Well written!
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Rec!
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:43 AM
freedom fighter jh (886 posts)
31. Long time, Time for Change
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Good to see you back.
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Response to freedom fighter jh (Reply #31)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:15 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
72. Thank you
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:47 AM
bvar22 (29,497 posts)
32. The scene from the Bush household...
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...after the media announced that Gore had won Florida was ALL I needed to see.
The smugness, laughing, and unqualified statements that "No. We are gonna take Florida" (wink, wink) were all the "Tells" necessary to lead me to KNOW that The FIX was IN. |
Response to bvar22 (Reply #32)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:51 PM
sabrina 1 (34,032 posts)
69. Yes, their reaction when it looked like he didn't win was telling also. Almost as if they
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were incredulous that their plans had not worked out.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 11:55 AM
bbgrunt (3,802 posts)
33. k and r.
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:04 PM
Autumn (11,265 posts)
34. Glad to see your posts again. The last two posts of yours I have read are like a
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glass of ice water in the desert.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #34)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:18 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
61. That's high praise, thank you
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The other post you're refering to is the one that got hidden, right?
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Response to Time for change (Reply #61)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:25 PM
Autumn (11,265 posts)
65. Yes, and I have seen a couple of your replies to posts
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that are pretty damn awesome too.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:54 PM
nashville_brook (17,237 posts)
35. your experience of election night is nearly the same as mine...and that little detail put me
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right back there, reliving it.
i believe we witnessed a coup in slow motion over those 36 days, and i've never felt quite as hopeless as the night gore conceded. there was a caller to the diane rehm show this week who brought up gore's request that we "accept" the supreme court decision and not "riot in the streets." he was angry and said that democrats always concede and play nice for the good of the republic while the GOP doesn't hesitate to sink the country to get their way on much lesser issues. the caller said his peace and hung up...but there's no peace there, and none here inside my own democratic soul. it's time that we "accept" that our acceptance of these things are NOT what the republic needs. the republic in fact demands our anger and demands that we fight from here on out. so glad to be reading you again, TFC!! |
Response to nashville_brook (Reply #35)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:20 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
62. Yeah, that was one of the worst days of my life
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Actually, it was probably the worst day of all of our lives, even the vast majority of those who voted for Bush -- they just didn't know it at the time, and probably still don't.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 12:57 PM
Uncle Joe (24,997 posts)
36. Kicked and recommended.
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Thanks for the thread, Time for change.
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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #36)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:22 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
63. My pleasure, Uncle Joe
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Good to see someone who still has a Gore avatar.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:05 PM
nashville_brook (17,237 posts)
37. and another thing...DU started in the wake of this debacle, we're BORN of this mess.
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these crimes against democracy are in the DNA of this site (to speak of it in a meta way as if it's an entity), and it seems that over the years we've largely forgotten from whence we came.
I started reading and lurking here during this period, and finally started posting in 2004 after the second election was stolen. it's good to be reminded of this. |
Response to nashville_brook (Reply #37)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:35 PM
rhett o rick (26,618 posts)
46. And yet how many here are worried about the theft of the 2012 election?
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We were "fooled" once in 2000 and then "fooled" again in 2004, how many times will the Democratic Party be fooled again?
NO ELECTRONIC VOTING. Bring back fair elections. |
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:23 PM
JHB (17,796 posts)
39. bookmarking to read when I have more time
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 01:27 PM
kitt6 (342 posts)
40. I sat on my couch in disbelief;
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and cried like a baby. Things haven't been right since.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:38 PM
davidwparker (5,338 posts)
41. For the "chad" issue, be sure to check out Dan Rather's HDNET report on the paper company
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Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 02:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) who changed to a cheap grade of paper during that election. It demonstrates the rate in which that paper resulted in "hanging chads" and the more reliable rate of previously-used paper stock.
That cheaper grade paper sure cost the country plenty. Those who worked at that paper company knew what the problem was when they heard about the hanging chads. Very interesting report. On edit: The transcript is no doubt still available. |
Response to davidwparker (Reply #41)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:24 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
64. Wow, I didn't know about that one.
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And we got 8 years of hell for that.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 03:29 PM
CitizenK9 (20 posts)
43. There was also the trial run of voter suppression
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using the erroneous (but intentionally compiled) felon lists. How effective was that? I'm pretty sure it was never prosecuted.
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Response to CitizenK9 (Reply #43)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:13 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
70. It was very effective -- Probably cost Gore thousands or tens of thousands of votes
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I'll be discussing that in a later post
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 04:48 PM
SidDithers (26,981 posts)
47. DU rec...nt
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Sid
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:10 PM
Initech (38,778 posts)
48. What about Fox being the first network to call Florida for Bush?
Response to Initech (Reply #48)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:14 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
71. They were happy about that computer "glitch" in Volusia County
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I don't doubt that they knew about it when they made the call.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:16 PM
The Wizard (7,008 posts)
49. The next three generations
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will be paying for the Mediocre Court's theft of the election. It was flat out criminal.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 05:52 PM
kentuck (66,150 posts)
52. With what is happening now in Florida...
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it is all very believable. It's like a criminal returning to the scene of the crime...
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:29 PM
ElectoralReform (2 posts)
56. Electoral Reform Coalition, end the two-party duopoly
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They were totally stolen, but I don't trust either party now to save our democracy....
http://electoralreformcoalition.wordpress.com The two-party winner-take-all electoral system is not a great idea, and everyone knows it. It's divisive, simplistic, corruptible and undemocratic. Vote for electoral reform this election, and you will never again have to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' at the risk of 'wasting your vote' on a party that truly represents you. End the two-party duopoly! Who is to blame for our diminishing civil rights and power to control our government? The liberals, the conservatives, the president, the previous president, the Congress, the courts, the corporations, the terrorists, the U.N., the media, the Federal reserve, big banks, and money in politics? With so many problems, it is important to focus on the root cause, where concentrated efforts can give rise to tangible, door-opening results. I contend that the first step for everyone, whether liberal, conservative, concerned about civil rights, war, abortion, immigration, gun control or any issue, lies in our electoral system. Our winner-take-all electoral system allows only two parties. They become massive, corruptible, and broad in their rhetoric but minimal in their differences. Around the nation, most voters view their opposition party as tyrannical and evil, while their chosen party is simply “the lesser of two evils.” They do not vote for a third party, even one closer to their political ideology, because it is viewed as a wasted vote. That is not democracy. |
Response to ElectoralReform (Reply #56)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:18 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
73. I agree with you on that
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Welcome to DU
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Response to ElectoralReform (Reply #56)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:31 PM
MADem (85,881 posts)
77. You need to read the TOS for this website.
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Third party advocacy is not permitted here. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:13 PM
duhneece (1,693 posts)
60. Have you watched "American Blackout?"
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Available free online....somewhere...sorry.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:33 PM
rrHeretic (52 posts)
66. Incredibly funny.
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The very first thing you wrote about making 'Americans more vigilant'. Yeah, first you have to inject a brain in most of the voters and then try to get them to really give a crap. The fact that the war criminal Bush is walking around free makes intelligent people want to vomit. Why is he walking around? Because people care more about those insipid reality shows on TV than any election.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:46 PM
tallahasseedem (4,449 posts)
67. I remember this like it was yesterday...
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What a complete and utter nightmare.
I look forward to reading your book! Best of luck! |
Response to tallahasseedem (Reply #67)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:19 PM
Time for change (12,877 posts)
74. Thank you.
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 07:48 PM
live love laugh (2,911 posts)
68. Fair and transparent elections are the key to this country's future. Thank you for reminding us.
Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:21 PM
Godhumor (3,064 posts)
75. my only advice is remove all mentions of Bev Harris
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She deserves no attention, especially on this issue.
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Response to Godhumor (Reply #75)
Sat Jun 23, 2012, 08:26 PM
annabanana (45,537 posts)
76. +1 . . .n/t
Response to Godhumor (Reply #75)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 02:21 PM
crazyjoe (1,191 posts)
80. You have to give her some credit, she was a force in
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bringing the BBV to light, along with Andy Stephenson.
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Response to crazyjoe (Reply #80)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:54 PM
Godhumor (3,064 posts)
82. No, I really don't
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Of someone tools me that Bev had discovered a sure proof immortality drug, my first question would be who she stole it from.
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Response to Time for change (Original post)
Sun Jun 24, 2012, 01:26 AM
Ellipsis (5,560 posts)
78. kick.
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Sun Jun 24, 2012, 03:05 PM
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