A good indication on how the SCOTUS will rule on the ACA

[edhopper]

"The folly of Obamacare"

http://www.uschambersmallbusinessnation.com/article/the-folly-of-obamacare

and

"Supreme Court: U.S. Chamber Of Commerce Undefeated This Term"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/supreme-court-us-chamber-of-commerce_n_1617392.html



Do the math.

[Romulox]

1. Justice Ginsburg tipped her hand about a weak ago--the wrangling is about what parts of the ACA

can/should survive the striking down of the individual mandate.

I think we can safely anticipate at least part of the ACA being declared unconstitutional--most likely the mandate.

[edhopper]

3. Which eliminates

it's foundation. And a few good, but minor improvements are left.

[Romulox]

5. Agreed. I imagine the argument is that it is Congress' job to determine what new compromises must

be made in the case that the mandate is struck down.

It is not fair/practical/reasonable to expect the SCOTUS to craft a compromise in this matter that the Congress cannot/will not put together itself. It's "outside their institutional competence" as the saying goes.

[abelenkpe]

6. The insanity of this situation kills me

Truly. My father, as I've mentioned far too many times, is a retired insurance CEO. Insurance companies have wanted a mandate for decades. It's the only thing that will make their business sustainable. Unless we also allow them to keep cutting people off when they get sick or deny coverage to many. I don't think insurance companies want the mandate to go away unless all of HCR goes away.

HCR was a gift to the insurance industry.

[Romulox]

9. I think the answer to that is that the Constitution doesn't guarantee the continuing profitability

of the insurance industry.

Single payer is the answer for most of the civilized world.

[abelenkpe]

11. Yeah totally agree

in fact, my republican ex-insurance pop agrees too. Single payer is the way to go, and striking down HCR could end up making that a reality.

Just think that the corporate loving republicans have boxed themselves into a tight spot. The mandate was their idea, but once the administration adopted it (to the great displeasure of many) republicans turned against it. It's not like they could attack covering kids until age 26 or getting rid of pre existing conditions so they attacked the part that their corporate campaign contributors actually wanted (the mandate.) So if you see republicans cheering the supreme court striking down HCR know that the insurance industry is silently aware that their days are numbered. They were bleeding money before HCR even while impoverishing families unlucky enough to grow old or contract a big illness.

[AndyTiedye]

13. No It Couldn't

[div class="excerpt]Single payer is the way to go, and striking down HCR could end up making that a reality.

How could this possibly happen, when the insurance companies can spend billions to buy the elections?

The more we raise more money for our side, the more they just raise the insurance premiums and give the GOP even more.

The insurance companies love a mandate for us to pay them money.
They don't love a mandate for them to actually provide us with health care when we do.

[liberalnationalist]

2. its time to find one

of these rightwing justices looking at child porn or drunk driving or something

[edhopper]

4. We already found two that

lied about their income sources and collaborated with entities that had cases before the court. (Thomas and Scalia)
The Dems are too much wussies to do a damn thing.

[abelenkpe]

7. +1 nt

[AndyTiedye]

8. We Haven't Got the Votes to Do a Damn Thing

The only remedy available is impeachment, and we can't even get that off the ground with the GOP controlling the House.

[edhopper]

10. But nobody of note in the Dem party

has even made this an issue.
Look how the Right Wing and it's media make a big deal about things like Soyandra and the current Holder thing.
They won't even go after them in the media.

[AndyTiedye]

14. What Media?

The Mighty Slime Machine works for THEM.

[Kennah]

12. Thom Hartmann has referred to universal healthcare as Medicare Party E for EVERYONE

If universal healthcare were enacted via medicare, that may be the way in to beating the SCOTUS.