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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:49 AM Nov 2016

Trump's Personality Disorder Misdiagnosed. He Is Really A Paranoid Authoritarian Psychopath.

Trump is more seriously mentally ill than we think. He is looking more like a paranoid schizophrenic psychopath. He is lashing out at everything and everyone who even dares to criticize him. His obsessive tweeting and his escape from reality or restraint gets worse everyday. We are still far off from inauguration and what we see is a person like the creature from the movie Alien.

He will too have access to the nuclear arsenal, all of our intelligence apparatus and the US military. He will be Commander In Chief of all our military and security forces.

And we have a GOP that will NOT check him or his impulses because they do not believe in governing. If anything they want to shut down the federal government, privatize it and send most of it back to the states. We will have cabinet members who want to shut down and turn their agencies against the American people.

We can thank Trump humpers for what we will now face.

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Trump's Personality Disorder Misdiagnosed. He Is Really A Paranoid Authoritarian Psychopath. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Nov 2016 OP
I wish the phrase "Evil Demon Straight from Hell" had not been outlawed. A-Schwarzenegger Nov 2016 #1
not misdiagnosed, underdiagnosed. barbtries Nov 2016 #2
Much discussion was limited by the media, it was not on the agenda, and look at who owns the RKP5637 Nov 2016 #32
BINGO - well said barbtries Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #47
truly a dystopian nightmare Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #3
I use Viagra. obliviously Nov 2016 #17
it helps you sleep? Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #23
It keeps him from falling out of bed jmowreader Nov 2016 #41
ha! Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #45
Opposite. Uses it to stay up. JudyM Dec 2016 #55
I see what you did there... Somebody else didn't, pangaia Nov 2016 #29
Classic narcissist Boomer Nov 2016 #4
Combined with being a sociopath... pangaia Nov 2016 #30
It's frightening to think this character with no impulse control will be in charge of deadly weapons Vinca Nov 2016 #5
... because a latent coup has taken control of the US. They well might have an agenda far beyond RKP5637 Nov 2016 #34
Yep....n/t ewagner Nov 2016 #50
The Dark Triad... Javaman Nov 2016 #6
Sounds quite spot on... 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #28
And as a country we do nothing to screen candidates, especially at the presidential level one would RKP5637 Nov 2016 #36
I think Trump is probably a little too high-functioning to be schizophrenic. Nitram Nov 2016 #7
He's undoubtedly sociopathic. Nitram Nov 2016 #8
Agreed. pangaia Nov 2016 #31
Thank you Justice Roberts for engineering the Citizens United "decision" and all its consequences. Ford_Prefect Nov 2016 #9
do you have a link regarding this bdamomma Nov 2016 #10
Interesting.... ewagner Nov 2016 #11
See #34. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #37
I suspect very strongly that he has a serious coke habit. OregonBlue Nov 2016 #12
But not enough to cure his mental illness. immoderate Nov 2016 #14
Cocaine abuse tends to make people very, very paranoid. So you take a man who has serious OregonBlue Nov 2016 #24
And, if not for the cocaine, you think he would be a nice guy? immoderate Nov 2016 #51
Of course not but he probably would be less volitile. OregonBlue Dec 2016 #52
Pathologizing Trump is not helpful loyalsister Nov 2016 #13
It's not bigoted. It doesn't reflect on anyone else, just him. And it might be pnwmom Nov 2016 #18
The only evidence for that is speculation loyalsister Nov 2016 #19
The evidence is right before everyone's eyes. Boundless narcissism, pnwmom Nov 2016 #21
I need to find that Doonesbury cartoon. backscatter712 Dec 2016 #54
Noone should be diagnosed from a distance loyalsister Dec 2016 #56
What difference at this point does it make? obliviously Nov 2016 #15
knowing the processes and weaknesses of this foe is important Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #48
Schizophrenic? JonLP24 Nov 2016 #16
He would have been likely diagnosed like 50 years ago loyalsister Nov 2016 #20
They have never recommended drugs for Narcissistic personality disorder, pnwmom Nov 2016 #22
The post I responded to was disputing a suggestion of schizophrenia loyalsister Nov 2016 #42
You're right. I missed the schizophrenic reference. He does exhibit paranoid pnwmom Nov 2016 #43
agreed Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #49
I don't see him as schizophrenic either. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #38
Yeah, Schizophrenia isn't something I see in the Donald. backscatter712 Dec 2016 #57
We need to keep him up all night tweeting. Ilsa Nov 2016 #25
I tend to agree with this. LisaM Nov 2016 #26
He's an asshole. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2016 #27
BESTEST diagnosis I have seen. pangaia Nov 2016 #33
Herr President Asshole Supreme! n/t RKP5637 Nov 2016 #39
There is a non-DSM-V diagnosis... 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #44
Brings this song to mind Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2016 #35
Donald Trump is going to turn into Howard Hughes after the inauguration. Initech Nov 2016 #40
he will be impeached within 2 years MFM008 Nov 2016 #46
The electoral college could stop him workinclasszero Dec 2016 #53

A-Schwarzenegger

(15,596 posts)
1. I wish the phrase "Evil Demon Straight from Hell" had not been outlawed.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:47 AM
Nov 2016

Along with "National Brute Shadow Arises Manifest from Repressed Unconscious American Nightmare."

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
2. not misdiagnosed, underdiagnosed.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:53 AM
Nov 2016

he's all of the above and most likely suffers from multiple personality disorders such as histrionic, narcissistic, bipolar, and maybe more. what i am finding shocking is that this wasn't the largest topic of conversation during his recent campaign for president of the united states, which this SICK FUCK won.

which suggests an unhappy diagnosis for our country as well.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
32. Much discussion was limited by the media, it was not on the agenda, and look at who owns the
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:59 PM
Nov 2016

media, it's republican and Trump is one of their kind.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
4. Classic narcissist
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:30 AM
Nov 2016

Trump's behavior -- all of it -- is classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), but most especially this:

"He is lashing out at everything and everyone who even dares to criticize him."

NPDs will do anything possible to protect their vision of themselves as infallible, superior to everyone else. They hold grudges, no matter how petty, and they seek harsh revenge.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/trump-and-narcissistic-pe_b_11289332.html

The Mayo Clinic’s definition of NPD is: “A mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration, and a lack of empathy for others. Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that is vulnerable to the slightest criticism. If you have NPD, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious, you often monopolize conversations, you may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior, and you may feel a sense of entitlement (when you don’t receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry). At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior.”

Vinca

(50,248 posts)
5. It's frightening to think this character with no impulse control will be in charge of deadly weapons
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:52 AM
Nov 2016

You're right. He's dangerously mentally ill. I don't know why this isn't the main topic of conversation before the electors meet.

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
34. ... because a latent coup has taken control of the US. They well might have an agenda far beyond
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:04 PM
Nov 2016

Trump who might be pushed out of the picture later on. The populace is not use to these shenanigans as in other countries, hence much of the population of the US is woefully naive failing to comprehend what is going on behind the curtains.

Javaman

(62,507 posts)
6. The Dark Triad...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:52 AM
Nov 2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_triad

The dark triad is a subject in psychology that focuses on three personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy.[1][2][3][4] Use of the term "dark" implies that people possessing these traits have malevolent qualities.[5][6][7][8]

Research on the dark triad is used in applied psychology, especially within the fields of law enforcement, clinical psychology and business management. People scoring high on these traits are more likely to commit crimes, cause social distress and create severe problems for an organization, especially if they are in leadership positions (for more information, see psychopathy, narcissism, and Machiavellianism in the workplace).

All three dark triad traits are conceptually distinct although empirical evidence shows them to be overlapping. They are associated with a callous-manipulative interpersonal style.[9]

Narcissism is characterized by grandiosity, pride, egotism, and a lack of empathy.[10]
Machiavellianism is characterized by manipulation and exploitation of others, a cynical disregard for morality, and a focus on self-interest and deception.[11]
Psychopathy is characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, impulsivity, selfishness, callousness, and remorselessness.[12]
A factor analysis carried out at the Glasgow Caledonian University found that among the big five personality traits, low agreeableness is the strongest correlate of the dark triad, while neuroticism and a lack of conscientiousness were associated with some of the dark triad members.[11]

RKP5637

(67,101 posts)
36. And as a country we do nothing to screen candidates, especially at the presidential level one would
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:06 PM
Nov 2016

think. I think the US is in for some extremely troubling times.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
11. Interesting....
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:49 AM
Nov 2016

at what point will the cabinet, VP, and entire executive branch rebel against his orders?

Will they rebel at all?

Will they manipulate him to their will allowing him to think it's his idea?

All are possibilities...and all are equally frightening.

OregonBlue

(7,754 posts)
24. Cocaine abuse tends to make people very, very paranoid. So you take a man who has serious
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:37 PM
Nov 2016

mental issues and add cocaine addiction and you get a paranoid, psychotic, narcissist.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
13. Pathologizing Trump is not helpful
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:47 PM
Nov 2016

In fact it's bigoted.
He is the ultimate coddled trust fund baby who has never had to take responsibility for anything that mattered. He ran his businesses into the ground, then had lawyers sort it out. He's been married several times, the women raise the kids and again the lawyers sort it out. He is irresponsible, lazy, ignorant, and self absorbed. His worst quality is his absolute sense of certainty. None of the qualities should surprise given that he has spent most of his life in a bubble with paid staff who would probably get fired for contradicting or challenging him.
We're better than trying to turn him into something ableist bigots hate. It's exactly like how he turned Obama into something xenophobes hate.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
18. It's not bigoted. It doesn't reflect on anyone else, just him. And it might be
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:47 PM
Nov 2016

necessary someday for someone to diagnosis him to put him out of office on the grounds of incapacity to do the job.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
19. The only evidence for that is speculation
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:28 PM
Nov 2016

by nonexperts who have never met the man. No different from the bigotry that leads people to assume that someone walking around a mall in a wet suit is crazy without evidence. It's ableist othering.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
21. The evidence is right before everyone's eyes. Boundless narcissism,
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:59 PM
Nov 2016

demonstrated in hundreds of instances, coupled with hate.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
54. I need to find that Doonesbury cartoon.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:39 PM
Dec 2016

The message there for those saying "Don't remote-diagnose, you're not a psychologist" was "I'm not an ornithologist, but I know a duck when I see one."

I know a narcissistic psychopath when I see one. Trump's symptoms are so glaringly obvious you don't have to be a shrink to recognize it.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
56. Noone should be diagnosed from a distance
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:45 PM
Dec 2016

Something has given people the impression that they have applicable expertise that they can apply from a distance far beyond what is clinically acceptable.
The deatails of the kind of duck it is are not obvious until someone makes deliberate and proximal evaluation. It's the bigotry and stereotyping that lead people to be so entertained by mental illness they look for it from a distance so they can throw the person in with "those people" to destroy credibility.



After his defeat, Goldwater sues Fact, a new, edgy, provocative magazine, for libel. Fact had asked 12,000 psychiatrists, none of whom had treated Goldwater, whether he was “psychologically fit” to be president. More than 9,000 did not respond; 571 declined to pass judgment; 600-plus declared him fit; and 1,189 answered “no”. Some offered diagnoses. Goldwater wins a $75,000 punitive settlement.

Today, that article might have been “10 reasons why Barry Goldwater is too crazy for the Oval Office”. Then it was “The unconscious of a conservative: a special issue on the mind of Barry Goldwater”. The case led to the establishment of a 1973 edict (Section 7.3) that psychiatrists should not diagnose individuals they have not personally treated. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) sets out the Goldwater rule thus: “On occasion psychiatrists are asked for an opinion about an individual who is in the light of public attention or who has disclosed information about himself/herself through public media. In such circumstances, a psychiatrist may share with the public his or her expertise about psychiatric issues in general. However, it is unethical for a psychiatrist to offer a professional opinion unless he or she has conducted an examination and has been granted proper authorisation for such a statement.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/30/diagnosed-donald-trump-goldwater-rule-mental-health

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
16. Schizophrenic?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:08 PM
Nov 2016

I could see sociopath but definitely not schizophrenic. Is he hearing or seeing things mot there? Thought disorder or thought broadcasting? Schizophrenia is a broad diagnoses for a wide variety of symptoms but I really don't think Trump has something like that.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
20. He would have been likely diagnosed like 50 years ago
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 07:29 PM
Nov 2016

and taken some of the most destructive drugs ever created.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
22. They have never recommended drugs for Narcissistic personality disorder,
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 08:01 PM
Nov 2016

even for pathological narcissists, unless they had coexisting disorders or diseases for which there is a drug treatment.

This isn't a disease. It's a disorder involving an ill-formed personality, a warped personality, and it can't be treated with drugs.

You can't cure NPD with drugs anymore than you can cure an amputation with drugs.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
42. The post I responded to was disputing a suggestion of schizophrenia
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:45 PM
Nov 2016

I expanded on why it was unlikely.

pnwmom

(108,972 posts)
43. You're right. I missed the schizophrenic reference. He does exhibit paranoid
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:47 PM
Nov 2016

behaviors, but there is no need to call him a schizophrenic.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
57. Yeah, Schizophrenia isn't something I see in the Donald.
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 03:55 PM
Dec 2016

OTOH, Narcissistic Personality Disorder, possibly mixed with bipolar disorder and Antisocial Personality disorder (coupled with other psychological traits from the Dark Triad) seem to fit extremely well.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
25. We need to keep him up all night tweeting.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:46 PM
Nov 2016

Eventually the sleep deprivation will make him crack, and the gop will have to get rid of him.

LisaM

(27,800 posts)
26. I tend to agree with this.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:49 PM
Nov 2016

I think he's obsessed with tweeting, and if it causes him to crack, so much the better.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
27. He's an asshole.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 09:52 PM
Nov 2016

There should be an entry in DSM-V for that. But I don't think it requires a lot of complicated explanation.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
33. BESTEST diagnosis I have seen.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:02 PM
Nov 2016

Simple....
Nail on head...
Doesn't require a degree to figure it out.

HEY EC,, trumpet is an ASSHOLE.. Put Hillary in... Save us all from a big headache.... and premature death..

3catwoman3

(23,965 posts)
44. There is a non-DSM-V diagnosis...
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:06 PM
Nov 2016

...that could fit quite nicely - patulous anus.

A patulous anus is one that is loose and floppy, and cannot do its job of holding in feces.

Initech

(100,054 posts)
40. Donald Trump is going to turn into Howard Hughes after the inauguration.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 10:36 PM
Nov 2016

I can picture the Kleenex boxes on his feet and the stored jars of urine now.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
46. he will be impeached within 2 years
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 11:35 PM
Nov 2016

for insanity and even the maggot republicans wont be able to ignore it.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
53. The electoral college could stop him
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

But of course they will let orange Hitler put his fat greasy paw on the end-of-the-world button.

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