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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:57 PM

Some links on Assange

... Assange is wanted for questioning in Sweden after two women accused him of sexual misconduct during a visit to the country in mid-2010 ...
Assange seeks asylum from Ecuador
07:46 AEST Wed Jun 20 2012
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8486436


... "The decision to consider Mr Assange's application for protective asylum should in no way be interpreted as the Government of Ecuador interfering in the judicial processes of either the United Kingdom or Sweden," the embassy said in a statement ... The embassy later confirmed it would be seeking the views of Britain, Sweden and the United States in order to make sure it complied with international law. Assange has always maintained that the moves to extradite him to Sweden for questioning over allegations of rape and sexual assault are politically motivated and that the real aim is for him to handed over to US authorities ...
Updated: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 23:31:20 GMT | By Agence France-Presse
WikiLeaks founder Assange seeks Ecuador asylum
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on Tuesday walked into Ecuador's embassy in London and applied for political asylum in a sensational bid to avoid extradition to Sweden over alleged sex crimes.
http://news.malaysia.msn.com/top-stories/wikileaks-founder-assange-seeks-ecuador-asylum-3


... Assange is trying to avoid extradition to Sweden over sexual assault allegations, which he says are baseless. He claims the US has secretly indicted him for divulging American secrets and will act on the indictment if Sweden succeeds in extraditing him from Britain ...
Supporters rally for Assange in Brisbane
Updated: 11:18, Wednesday June 20, 2012
http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=762927&vId=


... Assange says Sweden fabricated the arrest warrant to help the U.S. punish him for publishing thousands of secret Pentagon and State Department documents on the Wikileaks website ...
Wikileaks Founder Assange Seeks Asylum at Ecuador’s U.K. Embassy
By Nathan Gill and Randall Woods - Jun 19, 2012 8:52 PM ET
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-19/wikileaks-assange-seeks-asylum-in-ecuador-embassy-in-london.html


... The British court rejected Mr Assange’s argument that a European arrest warrant issued by Swedish prosecutors for his extradition was invalid. Ecuador backed off an idea of inviting Mr Assange to visit the country in late 2010 as President Rafael Correa accused him of breaking the law by releasing US documents ...
The Irish Times - Wednesday, June 20, 2012
Assange requests political asylum at Ecuador embassyhttp://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0620/1224318256740.html


... Patino told a news conference that Assange had written to Correa, a U.S.- and European-trained economist who is closer to Venezuela than the United States, saying he was being persecuted and asking for asylum. He said that Assange, who is Australian, had argued that "the authorities in his country will not defend his minimum guarantees before any government or ignore the obligation to protect a politically persecuted citizen." Assange said it was impossible for him to return to his homeland because it would not protect him from being extradited to "a foreign country that applies the death penalty for the crime of espionage and sedition," Patino said in a reference to the United States. Assange, 40, claims the U.S. has secretly indicted him for divulging American secrets and will act on the indictment if Sweden succeeds in extraditing him from Britain ...
Ecuador says WikiLeaks founder seeking asylum
By: GONZALO SOLANO | Associated Press
Published: June 19, 2012
http://www2.wsls.com/news/2012/jun/19/ecuador-says-wikileaks-founder-seeking-asylum-ar-1998678/

... Gillard said Australia would oppose the extradition of Assange to face the death penalty, but stressed that it was purely a hypothetical question. "The legal matters that Mr Assange faces are matters of a sexual complaints nature involving the laws of Sweden," she said ... The US ambassador to Australia, Jeffrey Bleich, said last month that Washington was not seeking Assange's extradition, arguing that such a move would be made more difficult and not easier if he went to Sweden ...
Australia PM pledges consular assistance to Assange
Posted: 20 June 2012 0909 hrs
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1208759/1/.html

... An Australian, Assange has accused his home country of abandoning him and charged that the United States wants to try him on espionage charges that could theoretically carry the death penalty. Gillard said that Assange's "decisions in relation to his manner are for him to make" but said that Australia had offered him more consular assistance than any other citizen in a comparable period ...
Australia PM pledges consular assistance to Assange
AFP June 20, 2012, 10:29 am
http://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/-/world/13991065/australia-pm-pledges-consular-assistance-to-assange/

... Acting Prime Minister Wayne Swan says the government has no information about any US indictment pending against Wikileaks chief Julian Assange, who has taken refuge in Ecuador's embassy in London. "None whatsoever," Mr Swan told reporters in Canberra on Wednesday. Mr Assange has turned to leftist Ecuador for political asylum, claiming Australia won't protect him from extradition to the United States where he could face the death penalty. Assange walked into Ecuador's embassy in London overnight and asked for asylum under the United Nations Human Rights Declaration ...

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struggle4progress Jun 2012 OP
snot Jun 2012 #1
struggle4progress Jun 2012 #2
EFerrari Jun 2012 #3
vanlassie Jun 2012 #4
EFerrari Jun 2012 #5
struggle4progress Jun 2012 #6
EFerrari Jun 2012 #8
Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #7
struggle4progress Jun 2012 #9
vanlassie Jun 2012 #10
snot Jun 2012 #14
Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #11
tsuki Jun 2012 #15
snot Jun 2012 #13
sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #16
Tarheel_Dem Jun 2012 #12

Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:13 PM

1. I'm not sure of the purpose of this compilation is, but here's more:

On January 26, 2011, Fred Burton, the vice president of Stratfor, a leading private intelligence firm which bills itself as a kind of shadow CIA, sent an excited email to his colleagues. "Text Not for Pub," he wrote. "We" – meaning the U.S. government – "have a sealed indictment on Assange" . . . . (snip) Burton, a former federal agent with the U.S. Diplomatic Security Services, had reason to trust his information. He often boasted of his stellar government sources ("CIA cronies," he called them in another email), and in his role as a government counter-terror agent he had worked on some of the most high-profile terrorism cases of recent years . . . . (snip) As Salon's Glenn Greenwald reported last May, a secret grand jury had begun taking testimony from Wikileaks supporters in a courtroom in Alexandria, Virginia.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/wikileaks-stratfor-emails-a-secret-indictment-against-assange-20120228

The fact is, most legal experts agree that there's no way to indict Assange for espionage, since he's not a US citizen (i.e., the US isn't his country to begin with, so he can't betray it. Only way to get him is as a co-conspirator with Manning; but apparently they haven't been able to get Manning to implicate him, despite subjecting him to conditions widely considered to be torture; or else they're keeping the indictment secret, perhaps bec. they know if they reveal it, they would be prevented from extradicting him from any number of countries that refuse to allow extradition if the person could face capital punishment.)

Ah, sh*t. The story's gotten rather long and a bit complicated, and the powerful have thrown the full force of their p.r. machines at it. But there's a lot of reliable info out there; if you genuinely want it, let me know. The bottom line is, the powerful have determined to do whatever it takes to destroy Assange and Wikileaks.

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Response to snot (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:06 PM

2. Hmm. So Wikileaks said in Feb 2012 that Stratfor said the US had a sealed indictment on Assange.

Of course, at that point Assange and his supporters had been screeching for over a year that the Swedish investigation was a diabolical American plot to drag Assange off for trial in the US -- so the Feb story is "very convenient" for Assange. But, of course, there's no evidence other than the claim by Wikileaks that this alleged email is authentic

In any case, the claim, that the Swedish investigation was a diabolical American plot to drag Assange off for trial in the US, makes no sense -- because if Assange is extradited to Sweden, then both Sweden and the UK would be required to sign off on an extradition to the US

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:12 PM

3. The feds seem to believe it is authentic because they are prosecuting

Lulzsec/Anonymous for hacking.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:17 PM

4. Which of those two do you think would NOT sign off?

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Response to vanlassie (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:20 PM

5. I don't think I understand your question. Edit:

Yeah, it's not like BOTH OF THEM ALREADY SIGNED OFF on rendition.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:26 PM

6. Nothing I know about this story improves my opinion of it:


I don't like Stratfor and don't trust them: they're a gang of rightwing hacks imo
... According to stolen Stratfor emails published on Wikileaks, John McCain’s campaign in 2008 had evidence that the Obama Campaign was stuffing ballot boxes in Ohio and Pennsylvania and also had proof that the Obama team had “sleazy” Russian money in their cofffers ... http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/04/stratfor-emails-show-democrats-stuffed-ballot-boxes-in-ohio-and-pennsylvania-in-2008/


I don't like Anonymous and don't trust them: they're a gang of vandals imo
Incidently, the Anonymous hack of Stratfor seems to have been an FBI sting
Stratfor email hackers were tricked into using Feds' server
Spotlight on source of WikiLeaks' files
By John Leyden
Posted in Government, 8th March 2012 13:36 GMT
WikiLeaks – and Julian Assange – could get caught up in the investigation into the LulzSec takedown saga because it published the internal emails of Stratfor, the private global intelligence firm that was attacked by Anonymous hackers, it has emerged. A warrant authorising the arrest of the prime suspect in the Stratfor raid revealed that an FBI supergrass persuaded hackers to use a server controlled by the feds to store the emails ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/08/strafor_anon_arrest_analysis/


I don't like Assange either and don't trust him: he's a whining lying twit imo
And it sure was convenient that Wikileaks released "proof" of a US indictment against Assange when it did
February 11 <2011> Case adjourned. His lawyers claim extradition would breach his human rights and say he could be taken to US and executed. http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/jun/20/julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-ecuador-asylum?newsfeed=true

Wikileaks started waving around the alleged Stratfor email a few days later


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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:42 PM

8. Anonymous gives me hope that at least some people have finished with

being pushed around by global criminals. They are rude, crude and unrefined and take stupid risks. I love them.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:35 PM

7. Actually, Sweden and the U.S. can bypass the UK signing off. Our extradition treaty with Sweden

includes a "conditional release" clause which essentially allows to release Assange to the U.S. on loan. Our treaty with the UK contains no such clause.
http://www.swedenversusassange.com/US-Extradition.html

Extradition risks

The US investigation against WikiLeaks is unprecedented both in its scale and nature - Australian Embassy in Washington


Sweden is bound by different extradition agreements. It is not meant to grant onwards extradition to a third country without agreement from the extraditing country. But at the same level of the legal hierarchy there is a bilateral treaty between the US and Sweden that allows for extradition without consent from the UK or minimum tests. This is the temporary surrender/conditional release regime - automatic extradition on a loan basis. It is highly likely that the United States will soon request Julian Assange’s extradition from Sweden and this mechanism will be used while Julian Assange is in Swedish custody.

The US government is certainly looking at the technical aspects of the two extradition agreements between the UK and Sweden and then considering the political and legal atmosphere in both places. - John B. Bellinger III, former legal adviser to US State Department and National Security Council


Of the reasons for Julian Assange’s challenge to Sweden’s extradition order, relevant to this topic are:

1) Julian Assange has not been charged with any offense.

2) Sweden has a bilateral agreement with the United States which would allow it to surrender Julian Assange without going through the traditional tests and standards of regular, lengthy ’extradition’ procedures.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:57 PM

9. Swedish prosecuting authority website says that if Sweden extradites someone from another

EU country and then a non-EU country wants to extradite the person, Sweden needs permission from the first EU country

So for the US to extradite Assange from Sweden after UK delivers him to Sweden is procedurally more difficult than for US to extradite Assange directly from UK

Facts about extradition and surrender
... Due to general agreements in the European Arrest Warrant Act, Sweden cannot extradite a person who has been surrendered to Sweden from another country without certain considerations. Concerning surrender to another country within the European Union, the Act states that the executing country under certain circumstances must approve a further surrender. On the other hand, if the extradition concerns a country outside the European Union the authorities in the executing country (the country that surrendered the person) must consent such extradition. Sweden cannot, without such consent, extradite a person, for example to the USA ...
http://www.aklagare.se/In-English/About-us/International-prosecution-operations/Facts-about-extradition-of-a-person-who-has-been-surrendered/

I won't really pay much attention to what Assange and his supporting websites say on stuff like this, since he's a lying fuckwit, who's off whining today to Ecuador that he's likely to be seized as a political prisoner and whisked off to the US to be executed, which is a big load of horse-pucky

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:15 AM

10. How are you certain it's horse pucky?

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Response to vanlassie (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:50 AM

14. Assange is doing a lot better as truth-teller than those he's exposed,

which is why they're working so hard to shut him down.

Can't think of another guy pursued like this for questioning re- sex without a condom.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:19 AM

11. If the U.S. suceeds in extraditing him, there is a good chance he will be charged with espionage

which, if convicted, could result in a death sentence.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:11 AM

15. I'd really trust Sweden who willingly and knowingly participated

in the American rendition program against all human rights treaties they ever signed. They only stopped because they were sued in the EU and lost. I'd really trust the Swedes to live up to their general agreements, not.

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:38 AM

13. There are many sources for the fact of a Grand Jury inquiry, and that the results are under seal.

You are the first I've seen to dispute the authenticity of the Stratfor emails. You seem to make all your assumptions against Assange.

What's your source for saying the UK would be required to sign off on extradition to the US from Sweden? (On edit: Nevermind; I see the Swedish prosecutor says it. However, I also understand the UK has refused to say it won't consent.)

Here's a new piece by Amy Goodman on the situation: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/31/americas-vendetta-against-wikileaks-julian-assange

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:24 AM

16. Wikileaks did NOT say it. Anonymous hacked Stratfor and leaked their emails onto the Internet.

Among those emails was one confirming that there was a secret indictment of Assange.

No one of course was surprised. Joe Lieberman wanted him put to death (and yes, the NYT and La Monde, and the Guardian also for publishing the leaked documents) and Sarah Palin called him a traitor, never mind that he is not even a citizen.

Hannity, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and the rest of the 'Patriots' did not like someone exposing Bush's war crimes. So with the entire Rightwing echo chamber calling for death to Assange for publishing the facts, how long was it going to be before they got their way, they always do.

But John Conyers deserves credit for the hearings he held opposing any such indictment, speaking about the dangerous path it would be for any Democratic country to go down and the chilling effect such an outrageous indictment would have on the press's 1st Amendment rights all over the world.

But as we all know, Democrats have zero power in this country. It is run by the Right, and when I see rightwing talking points and policies, such as this outrage, here on a Democratic forum, I know we have much work to do, and very little hope.

At least we on the Left used to stand up against the Right when they tried things like this. We were not fooled by the propaganda.

But something bad is going on and I am not the only one to notice it, and it is the reason so many are leaving boards like these and turning their attention to the real world.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 01:37 AM

12. Thank you. Very valuable information. Rec.

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