Three Wisconsin Counties Just Admitted They Padded Trumps Win With Fake Votes

[kpete]

Last edited Sat Nov 26, 2016, 10:27 AM - Edit history (1)

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The presidential election of 2016 was the most contentious and bizarre in American history. On top of the vile rhetoric that was spewed by now President-elect Donald Trump, it now appears that certain voting tallies in Wisconsin were hedged in Trump’s favor.

A county in Wisconsin named Outagamie County had four precincts in the areas of Cicero, Grand Chute, Bear Creek, and Hortonville which all showed that they had fewer people overall than had voted in the presidential election. This instance, naturally, caused the Internet to fly in a fury claiming, rightly, that voter fraud was taking place. The precincts quickly adjusted their voting totals, which removed over a thousand votes from Donald Trump’s side. What a coincidence, the party which has spent years decrying voter fraud were once again benefiting from voter fraud. Dan Solomon of Fast Company was the first to point this out:


You can see the Grand Chute 1-3 results here. All 1126 extra votes were for Trump. Clinton’s total is the same. 2/x

https://twitter.com/dansolomon/status/801119923577569280

Same deal in Hortonville. Trump’s number down by 400+ votes, Clinton’s unchanged. Ballots cast now matches votes counted. 3/x
:small
https://twitter.com/dansolomon/status/801120460763082752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


The village clerk of Hortonville, Lynn Mischkerm offered an explanation to the discrepancy, which didn’t make much sense at the time and under further analysis was proved to be a falsehood. She said:

In order to give election returns to the Outagamie County Clerk’s office as quickly as possible the Chief Inspector added together the votes from the election machine tapes. An error was made while keying the numbers on the calculator during this process resulting in an incorrect number of votes reported on Election night. The official process of tallying the votes was completed and rechecked. These vote numbers were recorded and delivered to the Outagamie County Clerk’s office the morning of November 9th. The official tally reflects the accurate votes in the Village.

To accept this story from Mischkerm one would have to believe that the same error was made in four different counties, and that same error resulted in Donald Trump receiving more votes in each instance. Another conundrum is Hillary Clinton’s vote total did not change before the original numbers were announced, or after they were adjusted due to the Internet’s outrage.

http://occupydemocrats.com/2016/11/25/three-wisconsin-counties-just-admitted-padded-trumps-win-fake-votes/

http://www.palmerreport.com/news/ahead-of-recount-wisconsin-has-already-wiped-out-5000-phony-votes-for-donald-trump/234/

[rzemanfl]

1. Weren't there "errors" in Drumpf's favor in Sauk County as well? n/t

[milestogo]

2. 85% turnout - not sure whether to laugh or cry

[barbtries]

3. no one does projection like republicans

no one does hypocrisy like republicans

no one lives by the Machiavellian premise that the ends justify the means more than republicans

all of the energy, smarts, creativity brought to bear on destructive ends at any means available.

i thought they would go away, i really did. i was blindsided by the stupidity of the country and the craven greed of the corporate media i guess. but blindsided i was, gutted I am, and determined to resist, resist, resist, do my best to educate any within my sphere, and carry on as best I can in a decaying republic.

it makes me so sad. will there be any consequences for the people who perpetrated this fraud? ya gotta wonder.

[malaise]

5. That's the truth

Wish I could rec your post

[Cosmocat]

7. I have 100s of posts here saying these assholes

were going no where.

It has been non stop conservative creep in this country for 3 decades.

[DK504]

28. Completely correct.

We have laid dawn for too many decades and it's time to grow a set; balls or ovaries, and start suing the crap out of ALL these states and demand recounts.

[barbtries]

35. you were right all along.

now they have more power than ever, and the shit's going to rain down on us all.

[Cosmocat]

40. On November 7th

they had control of both chambers of congress and markedly more governorships and state houses and senates.

Trump was just the finishing touch to make us a full out authoritarian, facist state, and that is no exaggeration.

[barbtries]

41. trust me cosmocat,

i do not read that as hyperbole.
who knows what's next. all i can swear is i will not be a good german.

[Raster]

9. I hear ya LOUD AND CLEAR. We don't see Democrats underhandedly and ILLEGALLY...

...I might add, suppressing the vote through dirty electoral moves. We don't see Democrats trying to remove Republican voters from the voter rolls en masse. We don't see Democratic state legislators coming up with new ways to disenfranchise Republican voters.

[meow2u3]

38. Maybe it's worth trying

It would be the only chance we have to take back the House in 2018 just to counter repig voter suppression.

[barbtries]

42. i swear to gawd

i'm ready to go into the vote caging business. of course since i'm a democrat it would land me in prison.

[lonestarnot]

22. It's ok. You have time to catch up when you recover!

[treestar]

45. Exactly

And they have no shame

[Thor_MN]

4. This is election fraud, not voter fraud.

The GOP screams about voter fraud because it disproportionately blocks liberal voters and distracts from what they engage in, election fraud.

[spanone]

6. but, but, the media is completely dismissing the recount...shouldn't we??????

[Raster]

8. I AM SHOCKED. Shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED!

In every election since Carter Vs. Raygun, there have always been electoral discrepancies... and they ALWAYS SEEM TO FAVOR the Republican candidate. Always.

[CousinIT]

10. It was NOT "voter fraud". It was ELECTION fraud

Dammit I wish people would not use these terms interchangeably. They mean two TOTALLY different things!

[uponit7771]

11. 1

[FBaggins]

13. It was neither

For all the bluster in the OP, this is the type of tabulation error that happens hundreds of times every election. That's why the canvassing process exists.

You would have to be a pretty stupid election thief to think that you could impact an election by just calling off a bad number on election night when you know that the official results always include the other party (and they know how to use calculators).

[Bettie]

17. So, you believe that it was all just an

"innocent mistake"?

Odd how the same "innocent tabulation error" goes to the same party in all three examples.

Statistics would indicate that it would go in the other direction at least once out of the three were it accidental.

[FBaggins]

19. It's a VERY common mistake

I don't need to characterize whether it's "innocent" or not.

Odd how the same "innocent tabulation error" goes to the same party in all three examples.

It isn't odd at all. There were likely hundreds of such errors on election night (in both directions). Cherry-picking three examples doesn't make them a statistically-relevant set.

[bigmonkey]

26. Assertion!

You're asserting that it was in both directions. Asserting there wasn't fraud, without evidence.

[FBaggins]

27. Sorry... that's what you're doing

Where's your evidence that it occurred in only three places? You're asserting that there WAS fraud. The burden of proof is not on my side... while the fallacy of incomplete evidence is on yours.

[bigmonkey]

30. Don't be sorry, you're wrong!

I made no assertion about fraud. Where did you get that?

[FBaggins]

32. I assumed you read the context that you were replying to

Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[bigmonkey]

33. Frankly, this is not a "taking sides" issue, or shouldn't be.

You made an assertion, baselessly (because we don't have enough evidence for it). I pointed that out. That's what happened here. I have read the context, but made my reply on the content of yours. This is not an "extraordinary claim" situation.

[FBaggins]

34. I didn't take a "side"

I corrected a misconception about how elections work. The only "side" is reality. I'm not obligated to start documenting things when replying to someone who made baseless claims. I don't logically inherit a burden of proof by replying to someone who failed at that burden.

However - it most certainly wasn't "baseless". I've watched dozens of elections and see this happen pretty much every single time. If you want evidence... you can just look at the numbers referenced in the linked official data. Contrary to what the poster claims, there were not just three locations with errors... and the errors were not limited to Trump's vote. Out of thousands of reports in WI alone, there were several corrections (likely dozens) and that's just for the Presidential race.

This is a standard part of going from an unofficial election-night total to official results... but no amount of bluster is going to get me to go line by line down thousands of figures to find a few dozen examples.

[bigmonkey]

36. Rhetorical emphasis.

I agree the only "side" is reality. You can't, however, assert that these three instances are irrelevant, just as someone you are replying to can't assert that they are proof of fraud. Investigation is warranted, that's my focus. There has been a concerted effort at election manipulation in Wisconsin, aside from specific election fraud issues, so the fact that these huge percentage numbers raised no eyebrows at the local level is a loose confirmation that investigation is warranted.

The assertion I was pointing at was your statement that these errors were likely balanced, i.e. randomly distributed. Maybe, waybe not, we don't know yet.

[anamandujano]

37. canvassing aka exit polls et al

"Canvassing is the systematic initiation of direct contact with individuals commonly used during political campaigns. Campaigners will knock on doors or make telephone calls (also known as phonebanking) to engage in a personalized contact with an individual. It is used by political parties and issue groups to identify supporters, persuade the undecided, add voters to the voters list through voter registration, and it is central to get out the vote operations. It is the core element of what political campaigns call the ground game or field."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvassing


" this is the type of tabulation error that happens hundreds of times every election. That's why the canvassing process exists."

Tabulations did not match any exit poll or any other process employed during the campaigns countrywide.

This is the type of "tabulation error" that no doubt happened hundreds of times in this election, most likely in favor of Trump.

[MichMan]

12. They should be charged with felonies

What should be the penalty for those election workers that falsified these vote totals? I am thinking at least 5 yrs in prison minimum. We must make it clear that this type of activity cannot be tolerated

[FBaggins]

14. Nobody falsified vote totals

At least, not in this story.

The official vote totals are from the canvass. They weren't wrong.

[MichMan]

16. Headline is a lie? n/t

[FBaggins]

18. It's certainly wrong.

Calling it a "lie" would go to far. That assumes that the author knows what he's talking about an chooses to say something false. Mere ignorance is more likely.

[hughee99]

25. Headlines that don't match the story seem to be very popular lately.

It's an effective way to get people who didn't read or understand the article to believe something they can't prove.

[FBaggins]

29. As pintobean said below... fake news.

This kind of story runs almost every election. The truly depressing part of it is that I was SO looking forward with glee to the Trump supporters who were all gearing up for rigged/stolen claims in the wake of their loss... only to find that DU is feeding their schadenfreude instead.

[safeinOhio]

15. Don't worry about dead voters,

worry about who and how votes are counted.

[pintobean]

20. Fake news

[ananda]

21. Geezus! You know what?

I think we need a redo of the whole election with
paper ballots only and federal election monitors
in every southern and swing state polling place.

[LittleGirl]

24. Bingo!

but it probably won't happen unless history is being made.

[TheFrenchRazor]

43. start at state/local level; get paper ballots, hand-counting in your state. nt

[Mc Mike]

23. Wait til we get to Waukesha. rec, nT

[smirkymonkey]

31. K&R

[zstat]

39. I wonder, what really happened with "self - correction"?

Fear of being caught and hoping to prevent further looking around, Trump's totals were reduced. But, were Hilary's reported totals deflated also? This is not addressed, there is no self-correction reported before the review is started?

Having to report both (upped Trump a thousand and downed Hillary a thousand) would be an admission of intentional manipulation. It is too obvious and a front page news story, no matter what.

So I say, when one is changed , let us look harder at the other total and see which way that may have been changed.

[Greybnk48]

44. ALL of the "extra" votes in Outagamie County

were for Donald Trump. Hortonville, Black Creek, Grand Chute all had more votes than voters and all of those votes went to Trump. That alone is fishy, so the explanation given by our clerk of courts is confused at the least, and I think suspect. They've now added the village of Cicero as having the same problem.

If this is based on fake news, they've fooled some high powered lawyers and analysts.