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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:23 PM

Texas dad won't face charges for killing man allegedly molesting daughter

SHINER, TEXAS — A young Texas father who beat to death with his fists a man molesting his 5-year-old daughter will not be charged, authorities said Tuesday as they released a dramatic 911 tape of the dad frantically pleading for help before the hired ranch helper died.

A Lavaca County grand jury Tuesday declined to indict the 23-year-old father in the death of Jesus Mora Flores, 47. Prosecutors said the grand jury reached same conclusion as police after reviewing the evidence: The father was authorized to use deadly force to protect his daughter.

Flores was killed June 9 on a family ranch so remote that the father is heard profanely screaming at a dispatcher who couldn't locate the property.

"Come on! This guy is going to die on me!" the father yells. "I don't know what to do!"



http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20120619/NEWS03/120619039/Dad-won-t-face-charges-beating-death-daughter-s-alleged-attacker?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CHome

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Reply Texas dad won't face charges for killing man allegedly molesting daughter (Original post)
RandySF Jun 2012 OP
cliffordu Jun 2012 #1
teddy51 Jun 2012 #2
TheWraith Jun 2012 #3
RandySF Jun 2012 #6
oneshooter Jun 2012 #10
Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #4
TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #5
Ilsa Jun 2012 #7
TheWraith Jun 2012 #13
Hugabear Jun 2012 #16
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #19
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #23
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #25
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #27
TheWraith Jun 2012 #31
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #26
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #29
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #30
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #37
TheWraith Jun 2012 #32
Jackpine Radical Jun 2012 #36
hrmjustin Jun 2012 #8
bluestateguy Jun 2012 #9
Arkansas Granny Jun 2012 #11
teddy51 Jun 2012 #15
treestar Jun 2012 #12
bluestateguy Jun 2012 #14
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #28
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #17
ProfessionalLeftist Jun 2012 #18
aikoaiko Jun 2012 #20
Odin2005 Jun 2012 #21
kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #22
TheWraith Jun 2012 #33
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #24
madokie Jun 2012 #34
applegrove Jun 2012 #35
Meiko Jun 2012 #38

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:26 PM

1. Justice.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:27 PM

2. I sure as hell can't argue with this decision, any parent would want to do the same thing.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:27 PM

3. No reason he should. It's a fairly transparent justifiable homicide.

And frankly it still would be even without the 911 tape. In addition to self defense, lethal force is legal to use to interrupt a "forcible felony," the definition of which usually includes rape, sexual assault, or both. Even if he hadn't been the girl's father, and even if he had expressly intended to kill the man, his actions would still have been legally justifiable.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:29 PM

6. But why would a grand jury even bother?

That's what I do not understand.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:36 PM

10. In Texas all capitol cases go before a Grand Jury.

He was no billed, which means the family of the pervert can not sue him.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:28 PM

4. Good.

 

It's not as if any jury would have voted to convict, in any case.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:28 PM

5. Good.

Problem eliminated.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:31 PM

7. Rapists and molesters have high rates of

recidivism. The death of the molester probably saved other children, even if he had been incarcerated.

Good riddance.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:42 PM

13. Actually, that's a myth.

The recidivism rate for sex offenders is actually quite low, lower than the average for all convicted criminals. Department of Justice studies have shown a recidivism rate of between 5.3 and 9 percent, compared to a between 40 and 60 percent reoffense rate for all felony convicts.

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:48 PM

16. Are you talking about sex offenders, or rapists/molesters?

Because the post referred to the latter, while your response referred to the former.

Huge difference between someone who may have had sex with their 17yr old girlfriend when he was 20, or public urination, and a rapist

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:18 PM

19. Aren't

rapists/molesters sex offenders? Those two others may be listed as sex offenders but I would guess out of all sex offenders they make a minority while sex offenders as a whole are largely rapers/molesters. I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown but the poster you replied to at-least provided(though un-sourced but I've seen the data before) while the poster above doesn't provide any.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:25 PM

23. Here is the data

Wiki summary w/ link to actual source

Of the 9,691 male sex offenders released from prisons in 15 US states in 1994, 5.3 percent were rearrested for a new sex crime within 3 years of release. Sex offenders were about four times more likely than non-sex offenders to be arrested for another sex crime after their discharge from prison (5.3 percent of sex offenders, versus 1.3 percent of non-sex offenders). An estimated 24 percent of those serving time for rape and 19 percent of those serving time for sexual assault had been on probation (or parole) at the time of the offense for which they were in state prison in 1991. On a given day in 1994, there were approximately 234,000 offenders convicted of rape or sexual assault under the care, custody, or control of corrections agencies; nearly 60 percent of these sex offenders were under conditional supervision in the community.
Approximately 4,300 child molesters were released from prisons in 15 US states in 1994. An estimated 3.3 percent of these 4,300 were rearrested for another sex crime against a child within 3 years of release from prison. Among child molesters released from prison in 1994, 60 percent had been in prison for molesting a child 13 years old or younger. The median age of victims of those imprisoned for sexual assault was less than 13 years old; the median age of rape victims was about 22 years. Child molesters were, on average, five years older than violent offenders who committed their crimes against adults. Nearly 25 percent of child molesters were age 40 or older, but about 10 percent of inmates with adult victims were in that age group.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsorp94.pdf

It is from '94, however.

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:32 PM

25. That's a good question, I too would be curious

 

to see the breakdown by offense.

18 year old dating a 15 year old? Meh. Kinda creepy I suppose.

40 year old raping a 5 year old? Whole other category.

/plus you have people getting drunk, taking a leak in public, then being arrested for exposing themselves to kids. That was foolish behavior, but it was not predatory.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:35 PM

27. I posted the study above

I accidentaly left this part out. Of released sex offenders who allegedly committed another sex crime, 40 percent perpetrated the new offense within a year or less from their prison discharge. Within three years of release, 2.5 percent of released rapists were rearrested for another rape, and 1.2 percent of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for a new homicide

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Response to Hugabear (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:59 PM

31. It's true regardless of how you define it.

Taking rapists alone, for instance, studies have shown that only about 2.5 percent were rearrested for another rape. The only crime with a lower recidivism rate is murder. For child molesters, the rate is about 3.3 percent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_offender#Recidivism

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Response to TheWraith (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:34 PM

26. No, he's right. Sex offenders are 4 times more likely to repeat a sex crime & get caught.

Compared to non-sex offenders released from State prisons, released sex offenders were 4 times more likely to be rearrested for a sex crime.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbdetail&iid=1136

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:41 PM

29. Those aren't overall recidivism rates

You can't say it is high or low w/ that data. All that is saying is sex offenders are more likely to commit another sex crime than non-sex offenders. No shit. But that doesn't say one poster is right and the other is wrong.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:56 PM

30. Definition of recidivism...

dictionary.com:


re·cid·i·vism
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noun
1.
repeated or habitual relapse, as into crime.

2.
Psychiatry . the chronic tendency toward repetition of criminal or antisocial behavior patterns.


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When you're 4 times more likely to REPEAT a crime, that's recidivism.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:20 PM

37. 4 times more likely than a non sexual offender criminal

It is like saying someone convicted of a drug offense is more likely to be arrested for a drug offense than a non-drug offense criminal.

As to the overall rates out of 100% locked up how much re-offend?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:02 PM

32. You have the wrong statistic there.

Yes, compared to non-sex-offenders, a sex offender is more likely to commit a sex offense. However, a released sex offender is FAR less likely to commit another sex offense than, say, a burglar is likely to commit another burglary.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:07 PM

36. Sure. Criminal offenders with no sex offense history are less likely to commit sex offenses

than people released after serving time for sex offenses. Within say, a 5 year period, maybe 1.25% of burglars will commit a sex offense, and 5% of sex offenders will reoffend.

On the other hand, 60 or 70% of the burglars will reoffend with a new property crime, and >1% of sex offenders will commit a property crime.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:31 PM

8. justice!!! n/t

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:35 PM

9. A jury would not have convicted

But I guess they had to go through the motions of having the grand jury look into it.

I approve of their decision.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:38 PM

11. I hope that this young father and his daughter get the counseling they will need to

get through this horrendous ordeal so they can live their lives with some sense of normalcy. This has undoubtedly been a terrible experience for both of them.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:45 PM

15. Very good point, I can't imagine the trauma that this holds for them.

 

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:39 PM

12. There must have been proof of the rape

That has to have happened for all the "approval" here.

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Response to treestar (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:44 PM

14. Yep

Emergency crews found Flores' pants and underwear pulled down on his lifeless body by the time they responded to the 911 call. The girl was taken to a hospital and examined, and authorities say forensic evidence and witness accounts corroborated the father's story that his daughter was being sexually molested.

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20120619/NEWS03/120619039/Dad-won-t-face-charges-beating-death-daughter-s-alleged-attacker?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

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Response to treestar (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:38 PM

28. Also, the child was screaming, which was heard by more than the father.

The father just got there first.

The homicide would've been justified even if the man hadn't actually gotten as far as he had in the molestation, since he would've been protecting her from assault, just the same.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:07 PM

17. As predicted.

 

No one in their right mind would convict this guy.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:12 PM

18. Good.

Parents have a right to protect their children from predators. Period.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:21 PM

20. Texas Grand Jury gets it right -- no crime occured.



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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:24 PM

21. GOOD! That man is a hero!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:25 PM

22. There are times when Texas gets it right. This is one of those times.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:08 PM

33. True, although to be clear what he did was justifiable in basically any state.

All states have at least some provision for interrupting a forcible felony, although some places with more aggressive DAs might have subjected him to more difficulty. But it's likely he would have been exonerated anywhere.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:30 PM

24. Good. nt

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:11 PM

34. I would think not

The man did the right thing and for the right reasons. Pedophiles don't deserve any symphony from anyone especially a parent or a judge and jury if he makes it that far.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:43 PM

35. Thank god.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:29 PM

38. Sad that this type of thing goes on

 

but in this case justice was done.

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