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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:31 PM

Mitch McConnell: Poor have it too easy, have to pay their share of taxes

Mitch McConnell: Poor have it too easy, have to pay their share of taxes

by Joan McCarter

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell thinks that our tax system is too damned progressive and that poor people just aren't pulling their weight. No. Really.

(CBS News) The United States tax code favors lower income Americans too much already and should be restructured to make it fairer to upper income earners, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said.

In an interview that aired on "CBS This Morning" Tuesday, the Kentucky Republican said he is ready to sit down with "this president or the next president" and have an animated discussion about the tax code to "reach a conclusion" that would bring down the ballooning U.S. deficit.

"Almost 70 percent of the federal revenue is provided by the top 10 percent of taxpayers now. Between 45 percent and 50 percent of Americans pay no income tax at all. We have an extraordinarily progressive tax code already. It is a mess and needs to be revisited again," McConnell said in the interview, taped Monday.

McConnell's in league with House Majority Leader Eric Cantor on that one. He's also argued that the poor just get off too damned easy in this country, and have to suffer more by taking on the tax burden that Republicans' cuts for the wealthy will create. And of course they're basing their pronouncement on the big lie that poor people don't pay taxes. They pay a larger share of their income in taxes than rich people do. And they are students, and disabled people, and the elderly who don't have income to pay taxes on. Not that facts, with their well known liberal bias, will get in the way of Republican talking points.

- more -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/19/1101378/-Mitch-McConnell-Poor-have-it-too-easy-have-to-pay-their-share-of-taxes


Clearly, the Republican solution is to give more tax cuts to the rich!

..Romney isn’t simply proposing to make the Bush tax cuts permanent; he’s also proposing an additional across-the-board tax cut on top of extending the Bush tax cuts that would disproportionately benefit the wealthy. A recent study found that under Romney’s tax proposals, 67 percent of the tax cut would go to those over $200,000.

More: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002828317

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Reply Mitch McConnell: Poor have it too easy, have to pay their share of taxes (Original post)
ProSense Jun 2012 OP
hrmjustin Jun 2012 #1
demtenjeep Jun 2012 #2
CJCRANE Jun 2012 #3
bowens43 Jun 2012 #4
TheMastersNemesis Jun 2012 #5
madashelltoo Jun 2012 #6
TheMastersNemesis Jun 2012 #8
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #7
Johonny Jun 2012 #9
LuvNewcastle Jun 2012 #21
Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #10
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #14
hifiguy Jun 2012 #11
LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #12
Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #13
MiniMe Jun 2012 #15
SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #18
ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #19
ProSense Jun 2012 #20
SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #22
ProSense Jun 2012 #23
SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #24
ProSense Jun 2012 #26
SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #30
ProSense Jun 2012 #32
SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2012 #35
GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #16
TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #17
quaker bill Jun 2012 #25
aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #33
goclark Jun 2012 #27
kemah Jun 2012 #28
WI_DEM Jun 2012 #29
Initech Jun 2012 #31
SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #34

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:33 PM

1. Yes the poor need to help the neglected rich folks.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:34 PM

2. MItch Mcconnell can kiss my ASS

that piece of shit

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:35 PM

3. Um...is this democracy...or feudalism? nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:37 PM

4. this needs to be talked about continuously by the Dems

from now until the election.

The Republicans want to raise taxes on the poor and the middle class while further cutting taxes on the wealthy.....

We need tv adds with republicans stating this playing day and night

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:40 PM

5. Mitch McConnell Makes The Sheriff Of Nottingham Look Socialistic.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:47 PM

6. How many confirmations will it take to wake people up?

Rmoney can't tell you what cuts he would make because the poor won't hate Obama more than him if he does. Now McConnell is telling you straight up, we're balancing the books on the backs of the poor. We're taking back those food stamps, those tax credits and all of the other perks you get for being poor. Some other numbnut today said he was tired of the media bombarding him with the plight of the poor. What will it take for folks to get over whatever it is they have against the president and look toward their own survival?

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Response to madashelltoo (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:50 PM

8. I Hope That It Is Not When The Dead Awaken.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:50 PM

7. This coming from a turtle who lives on iceburg lettuce.

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:10 PM

9. prehaps they should pay them more so they can move into higher tax brackets

To paraphrase Stewart

The republican problem with poor people isn't that they don't have any skin in the game
the problem with poor people is they still have some skin

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Response to Johonny (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:48 PM

21. That's the solution.

The reason that the upper 50% are paying all the income tax is because they make a sufficient amount to be taxed. Congress could pass laws to guarantee a living wage in order to broaden the tax base, but somehow I don't think the rich would care for that solution. Even though wealthier people are paying the bulk of the income taxes, they're still making out like bandits because they're paying their workers shit wages.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:28 PM

10. Anyone making less than $15,000 shouldn't pay a damn thing. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:15 PM

14. Keep going. I'm thinking $35,000

But then, I'm one of those nuts that thinks NOBODY should be taxed for their labor.

I believe we need to eliminate the fiction that buying and selling stocks is exempt from a sales tax because they aren't REALLY being bought and sold, they're being "traded".

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:32 PM

11. Fuck you, Yertle.

And I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:15 PM

12. The problem with his statement that 45 - 50 percent of Americans don't pay any income tax.

Is that the upper income "earners" have more tax exempt income then those that don't pay any income taxes.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:43 PM

13. and Everyone pays FICA payroll tax

 


(You know, the social security trust fund you have been stealing from giving tax cuts while starting two wars and Big Government programs like Homeland Security and the TSA- asshole!)

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:23 PM

15. The top 10% may pay 70% of revenue, but...

what percentage of income do they earn? My guess is more than 70%

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Response to MiniMe (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:11 PM

18. About 47% n/t

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Response to MiniMe (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:36 PM

19. That's 70 percent of INCOME TAX revenue,

excluding FICA and other payroll taxes, sales taxes, and other regressive revenue streams, isn't it?

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Response to MiniMe (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:41 PM

20. Never

trust Republican spin.

When Mitt has a 13 percent tax rate, that's inequality.


Beyond the 1 percent



http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2011/10/25/beyond-the-1-percent/


A Guide to Statistics on Historical Trends in Income Inequality
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3629

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Response to ProSense (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:23 PM

22. Excellent graph and excellent info, but it doesn't contradict the fact

That the top 10% pay roughly 70% of the income tax revenue. For singles, the 28% bracket lower end cutoff puts them in the top 10%, and for couples filing jointly, both the 25% bracket lower end puts them in the top 10%.

More than the 1%, absolutely yes.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:50 PM

23. Really?

"Excellent graph and excellent info, but it doesn't contradict the fact...That the top 10% pay roughly 70% of the income tax revenue."

What chart are you seeing?

This is Republican slight of hand to distract from the fact that their proposals benefit the top one percent. From the Reuters piece:

Everyone seems to know that about half of Americans paid no income taxes in 2009 and that the top 1 percent paid about 37 percent of the income taxes.

But how many people know that households making less than $75,000 collectively paid more federal income tax than those making $1 million or more?

The threshold for the top 10 percent is just above $100,000. Do you think anyone confuses a person earning $100,000 with someone earning $1 million?

Those below the top 2 percent will not benefit from the GOP's proposals.

The larger context, though, is important. Romney isn’t simply proposing to make the Bush tax cuts permanent; he’s also proposing an additional across-the-board tax cut on top of extending the Bush tax cuts that would disproportionately benefit the wealthy. A recent study found that under Romney’s tax proposals, 67 percent of the tax cut would go to those over $200,000.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002828317





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Response to ProSense (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:34 AM

24. Not sure what you're arguing about as I agree with your points

I'm just saying that none of what you're saying contradicts the fact that the top 10% of wage earners, which includes some of the middle class, pays about 70% of the federal income tax revenue. Parts of the 25% and 28% bracket are also part of that top 10%. To acknowledge that as fact isn't to say that someone making $100,000 is just the same as someone making $1 million.

Of course people making $75,000 pay more, collectively, than those making $1 million or more.There are a hell of lot more of the former than of the latter.

It's not a talking point, it's a fact based on numbers from the IRS. There is nothing wrong with using facts to our advantage, as the chart does - we SHOULD do so. But we shouldn't be surprised or outraged when Republicans try to use the facts to their advantage as well.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #24)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:06 AM

26. Great, but

<...>

Of course people making $75,000 pay more, collectively, than those making $1 million or more.There are a hell of lot more of the former than of the latter.

It's not a talking point, it's a fact based on numbers from the IRS. There is nothing wrong with using facts to our advantage, as the chart does - we SHOULD do so. But we shouldn't be surprised or outraged when Republicans try to use the facts to their advantage as well.

...you do understand that while there a lot more people earning less than $75,000, they account for less of the income than the top 20 percent, right? In fact, the top one percent has a larger share of the income pie than the next 9 percent combined.

I think outrage should follow any Republican attempt to distort the facts in favor of their attempts to cut taxes for the top one percent while raising taxes on the bottom 20 percent.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #26)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:50 PM

30. I don't agree with your 10% numbers

According to the IRS, the top 1% of wage earners account for 20% of AGI. The top 10% account for about 46% of AGI. So, no I don't agree that the top 1% hold a larger piece of the income pie than the next 9% combined, since it appears that the next 9% hold 26% of the pie.

I'm curious as to why you switched your argument from those that make $75,000 to those that make less than $75,000. People making less than $75,000 do indeed have a smaller piece of the income pie, but they also contribute a proportionally lower portion of revenue. The bottom 25% (below ~$67,000) of wage earners earn about 33% of the income, and pay about 14% of the income taxes.

That's not a bad thing - we need a progressive tax system. I just don't think that we should twist the numbers and try to turn them into something they're not. There is nothing wrong with stating the fact that people earning 47% of the income pay 67% of the taxes, and there is nothing wrong with the fact itself. Why not just answer the Republicans by saying "hell yeah they pay more, because they can afford to pay more - that's a progressive tax system at work, and we need more of it, not less" instead of trying to say they are twisting the truth, when in fact, they are just stating the truth?

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:22 PM

32. More

According to the IRS, the top 1% of wage earners account for 20% of AGI. The top 10% account for about 46% of AGI. So, no I don't agree that the top 1% hold a larger piece of the income pie than the next 9% combined, since it appears that the next 9% hold 26% of the pie.

I'm curious as to why you switched your argument from those that make $75,000 to those that make less than $75,000. People making less than $75,000 do indeed have a smaller piece of the income pie, but they also contribute a proportionally lower portion of revenue. The bottom 25% (below ~$67,000) of wage earners earn about 33% of the income, and pay about 14% of the income taxes.

That's not a bad thing - we need a progressive tax system. I just don't think that we should twist the numbers and try to turn them into something they're not. There is nothing wrong with stating the fact that people earning 47% of the income pay 67% of the taxes, and there is nothing wrong with the fact itself.

... slight of hand.

My argument wasn't "switched." In response to a point you made, I cited the information that you said was "excellent." That was:

Everyone seems to know that about half of Americans paid no income taxes in 2009 and that the top 1 percent paid about 37 percent of the income taxes.

But how many people know that households making less than $75,000 collectively paid more federal income tax than those making $1 million or more?


Yes, "we need a progressive tax system," and one doesn't have to "twist the numbers" to show that a person earning $1 million isn't paying his/her fair share.







http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/chart-of-the-day-the-47-percent-pay-their-fair-share.php

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Response to ProSense (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:13 PM

35. There is no slight of hand

The numbers are what they are.

What do you claim is slight of hand?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:28 PM

16. May he soon experience just how "easy" the poor have it.

I generally don't like to wish ill on others, but in this case, I hope he and his ilk get be recipients of the very things they want for the rest of us.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:49 PM

17. Sounds like Mitch and the prototype TeaPubliKlan bullshit are out again.

We are hard pressed to push it to our advantage, just isn't bipartisan enough.

The TeaPubliKlans have many tons of these sort of anchors but we seldom throw them around their necks and never just hammer the theme.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:50 AM

25. The basic problem with taxing the poor

is that in being poor, they actually have very little money.

Personally, I think we should not be taxing anyone we are also subsidizing, because it is stupid policy. What I mean is that if a person qualifies for food stamps, TANF, low income housing, earned income tax credit, and such, we should just not tax them. Simply because it is taking the money only to give it back by way of a government program. This is less efficient than just letting them keep the money.

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:36 PM

33. The poor can always sell their hair, teeth, and bodies - like Fantine in Les Miserables

And if that's not enough to pay Mitch McConnell's salary, they can always sell a lung or kidney.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:09 AM

27. There is a special place

in Hell for all of these evil doers.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:16 AM

28. All these government programs subsidize Wal Mart and other minimum wage corporations.

These corporations, who rely on minimum wage labor, should pay a living wage that keeps people off government programs. Problem solved.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:18 AM

29. Get a campaign commercial using that quote--come on! they have such a take

from the poor to give to the rich attitude that they don't even try to hide it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 07:56 PM

31. I swear we live in the matrix anymore it seems.

Fuck you Mitch!!!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:42 PM

34. A$$HOLE! Rich greedy A$$HOLE!

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