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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:16 PM

 

I would ban alcohol before porn

The thread lamenting porn's effect on society got a surprising number of posters agreeing with it, but if I were to think about true evils of society, I would think alcohol causes far more harm to society than porn does. I don't need to describe the well known and multiple health considerations and problems brought on by alcohol, or ancillary effects such as drunk driving or spousal abuse, broken families, etc. So all those who think porn has a rather negative effect on society, alcohol is a bigger negative IMHO and if I were to choose one to ban, it would be the booze. What do you say?

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Reply I would ban alcohol before porn (Original post)
quinnox Jun 2012 OP
Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #1
TBMASE Jun 2012 #2
WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #3
petronius Jun 2012 #6
quinnox Jun 2012 #8
WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #9
RiffRandell Jun 2012 #25
zappaman Jun 2012 #4
fishwax Jun 2012 #5
Evergreen Emerald Jun 2012 #7
Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #10
Evergreen Emerald Jun 2012 #17
Taverner Jun 2012 #12
Evergreen Emerald Jun 2012 #20
Taverner Jun 2012 #26
Evergreen Emerald Jun 2012 #27
Taverner Jun 2012 #32
cynatnite Jun 2012 #13
snooper2 Jun 2012 #15
uponit7771 Jun 2012 #23
Taverner Jun 2012 #11
meow2u3 Jun 2012 #28
Taverner Jun 2012 #30
MisterP Jun 2012 #14
MrSlayer Jun 2012 #16
Initech Jun 2012 #18
FSogol Jun 2012 #19
hlthe2b Jun 2012 #21
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #22
MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #24
tabbycat31 Jun 2012 #29
hrmjustin Jun 2012 #31
DURHAM D Jun 2012 #33

Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:18 PM

1. I would ban neither.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:21 PM

2. We tried banning alcohol

 

it failed miserably

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:23 PM

3. I would ban people who want to ban things

from letting them ban things.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

6. Would you ban people from banning people who ban things

that they think should be banned from banning them?

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Response to petronius (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:27 PM

8. This reminds me of the classic "whose on first?" baseball routine

 

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Response to petronius (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:27 PM

9. Ban ban ban ban ban ban ban ban ban eggs bacon and ban

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:14 PM

25. Nutshell. n/t

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:23 PM

4. I would ban Ashton Kutchner

before either of those.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:24 PM

5. I'm not interested in banning either, though I recognize that both can have negative effects

depending on the individuals involved, context, use, etc.

Some may be, I'm sure, but I don't think most of the people who are interested in discussing potentially negative effects of porn are necessarily interested in banning it.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

7. Porn causes violence against women

Dehumanization, objectification. You want porn? Make it non-violent.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:29 PM

10. How about we ban violence against women?

Or violence against anyone, actually?

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:44 PM

17. That is what I am proposing

I believe treating women as less than equal, as objects, as things to assault contributes to violence against women. "Female Friendly" porn is about sex--not violence. You want porn? Make it non-violent. Make it equal. Make women valuable--not objects.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:30 PM

12. No. I won't.

 

Don't tell me or anyone else what I can and cannot watch

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Response to Taverner (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:51 PM

20. I am not telling you what you can and cannot watch. There are consequences

to choices that affect us all. Idolizing and defending certain porn --porn that is violent and dehumanizing reinforces the misogyny.

Not all porn is created equal. As one person stated, further down the comments, there is some non-violent porn. That is not the porn I am talking about. And, yes, you know it when you see it.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:19 PM

26. Even the most violent porn - I will defend it's rights to the death

 

I am of the catharsis school of thought - every time a potential rapist watches that instead of acting on his or her impulses, is a good thing.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:46 PM

27. where is the line? What about child porn? What about rape? What about weapons?

Where are the lines?

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:34 PM

32. Children cannot consent. Rape simulation is protected speech. Weapons? Like gun play?

 

It's just like in movies - when Dirty Harry kills those people he's using blanks, and they are actors. Same thing with "gun play" porn.

The line is consent. If you are over 18, you can consent. If you consent, you can simulate any activity you want, including death, rape or whatnot.

Of course, many people have a problem differentiating fantasy from reality.

But that's a problem with that person, not with the industry as a whole.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:31 PM

13. There is non-violent porn. n/t

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:32 PM

15. have you ever actually watched a full porn movie..

From beginning to end?

You can even include the fake stuff on HBO late night where no penetration is happening...kind of a hard dry hump...

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:01 PM

23. wtf?

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:29 PM

11. Especially since there is a direct link between domestic abuse and alcohol

 

Whereas with porn there is NOT

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Response to Taverner (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:05 PM

28. But there appears to be a link between porn and human trafficking

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Response to meow2u3 (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:32 PM

30. Not really

 

At least not 99% of the porn out there

Most of it pays very well, and the internet has shined a light on the industry that wasn't there before.

But keep believing the fundy propaganda if you want.

Dawn Warswick has an agenda and an axe to grind.



...Or you can ask the porn stars themselves...

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:32 PM

14. I just like to ask 'em, "How did you get out of the house after your daughter

psychically massacred the prom?"

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:37 PM

16. I would do the opposite.

 

Since I don't watch porn and do drink a lot I think your idea is terrible. If one had to be banned I'd ban the porn.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:47 PM

18. Tried it once - it didn't work Prohibition does not work

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:51 PM

19. What happened the last time they banned alcohol?

Good gawd, what an embarrassing post.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:09 PM

21. to be fair, I don't believe the other thread was suggesting a ban on porn...

So, I wouldn't assume those who expressed any agreement with that OP were necessarily suggesting that either.

And heavens, who on earth wants a return to prohibition? At a time when we have finally started to have rational discussions about legalizing marijuana, we are going to go back to a prohibition on liquor?

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:39 PM

22. Alcohol leads to sex.

 

That isn't really intended to be a joke.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:10 PM

24. Stay the heck away from my evening cab/sav glass in the evening, or I'll cut you. lol

There's really no need to one-up the evils of the porn vs booze. Just recognize the harm each can do to any individual. There's really no reason to defend porn or booze to the death.

Unless you're Trumad. HA! (we still have 3 days)

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:29 PM

29. I think that tea does more harm than alcohol or porn

In 2008, I had no problem with tea. I have a problem with the stains that it left since 2009.

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:33 PM

31. noooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! not alcohol, not that please. Take porn away not the libations!

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Response to quinnox (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:13 AM

33. Bumping - needs more discussion.

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