Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

WilliamPitt (54,469 posts)

If there is no difference between Obama and Romney...

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If there is no difference between Obama and Romney... (Original post)	WilliamPitt	Jun 2012	OP
Good question........Why indeed?	CaliforniaPeggy	Jun 2012	#1
Good Question, Mr. Pitt	The Magistrate	Jun 2012	#2
Oh, there is a difference...	kentuck	Jun 2012	#3
Yes they want something in return	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2012	#27
Damned good question!	11 Bravo	Jun 2012	#4
I wonder though, if its Koch for Mitt and if	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2012	#5
So you think nobody should profit?	CJCRANE	Jun 2012	#8
I don't recall giving my opinion, suprised you came away with one.	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2012	#11
In a capitalist country there will always be people who profit	CJCRANE	Jun 2012	#13
A rhetorical question often is a statement of opinion. nt	freedom fighter jh	Jun 2012	#31
Sure seems that for the past few years a very few boats have lifted at the expense of	jtuck004	Jun 2012	#17
Good question. As you've pointed out, it is a rhetorical one.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#16
well, the banking industry, pharmaceutical industry.....health insurance industry...	robinlynne	Jun 2012	#43
This message was self-deleted by its author	sinkingfeeling	Jun 2012	#6
Because the Koch Brothers want a 'real progressive leader' in the White House.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#7
who has said there is "no difference"	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	Jamaal510	Jun 2012	#10
Shit, I'm way out of the mainstream but even I can	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#12
Well said!	AnnieK401	Jun 2012	#23
I doubt that	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#36
Good question. It may be that some are merely raising the issue as a strawman	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#20
Iraq doesn't count?	quaker bill	Jun 2012	#25
Count for what?	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#29
Thank you. nt	woo me with science	Jun 2012	#32
exactly	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#37
That was my first thought	Life Long Dem	Jun 2012	#34
one shared by several/many no doubt	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#40
Because he wasn't born into American Aristocracy (and the obvious)	Flint Stone	Jun 2012	#14
You're right on all issues except that he hasn't quite given them everything that they've asked for.	AnotherMcIntosh	Jun 2012	#18
Well, a couple. Rmoney doesn't have a soul and he's not black.	HopeHoops	Jun 2012	#15
They aren't. They are paying to defeat Obama. A loser's game. Who they elect is mostly	jtuck004	Jun 2012	#19
The right wing dream	agent46	Jun 2012	#21
In these Peoples Dominions	Flint Stone	Jun 2012	#22
Agree. nt	freedom fighter jh	Jun 2012	#28
The question	scuciti	Jun 2012	#24
uh huh nt	ecstatic	Jun 2012	#33
That is the wrong question to ask yourself. The right question, imo, is this:	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#39
I doubt any human on this earth thinks there is no difference between romney and obama.	limpyhobbler	Jun 2012	#26
Great comeback for trolls posing as democrats/liberals nt	ecstatic	Jun 2012	#30
This message was hidden by jury decision.	little elvis	Jun 2012	#35
I've heard it is just a "head fake"	emulatorloo	Jun 2012	#38
I just had this conversation. I really needed this.	Gregorian	Jun 2012	#41
Of course there are differences between Obama and Romney	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#42
No one thinks the are exactly the same.	Bonobo	Jun 2012	#44
KnR	alittlelark	Jun 2012	#45

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:53 PM

CaliforniaPeggy (103,958 posts)

1. Good question........Why indeed?

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:54 PM

The Magistrate (80,508 posts)

2. Good Question, Mr. Pitt

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:00 PM

kentuck (66,172 posts)

3. Oh, there is a difference...

Maybe not the difference some would like, but still a difference.

The Koch Bros see their contributions as an investment, not as "spending".

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Response to kentuck (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:42 PM

Rosa Luxemburg (21,990 posts)

27. Yes they want something in return

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:02 PM

11 Bravo (15,432 posts)

4. Damned good question!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:02 PM

Puzzledtraveller (1,829 posts)

5. I wonder though, if its Koch for Mitt and if

politics is a just a leveraging game between corporations and industries with the presidents as chess pieces then who's profiting from President Obama? Just asking rhetorically.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:46 PM

CJCRANE (13,327 posts)

8. So you think nobody should profit?

Democrats generally think that a "rising tide lifts all boats".

The working and middle classes should share in the prosperity they created and not let it be sucked out of the economy by the 1%.

So the more people who profit the better.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:18 PM

Puzzledtraveller (1,829 posts)

11. I don't recall giving my opinion, suprised you came away with one.

The question was rhetorical. Question, not a statement of opinion.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:23 PM

CJCRANE (13,327 posts)

13. In a capitalist country there will always be people who profit

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from various policies. Profit and prosperity in itself is not a bad thing. It just is. So to imply that some or many people will profit from Obama's policies is not saying anything shocking.

It seems like an attempt to draw attention away from the fact that only the 1% will profit from Romney's policies.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:56 PM

freedom fighter jh (886 posts)

31. A rhetorical question often is a statement of opinion. nt

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:41 PM

jtuck004 (5,081 posts)

17. Sure seems that for the past few years a very few boats have lifted at the expense of

a lot of small craft. Don't want to elect the Titanic, of course, but it would be nice if our Tugs would at least pull more off of the rocks.

Nice thought though.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:39 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (7,521 posts)

16. Good question. As you've pointed out, it is a rhetorical one.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:33 PM

robinlynne (15,163 posts)

43. well, the banking industry, pharmaceutical industry.....health insurance industry...

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:44 PM

freshwest (31,398 posts)

7. Because the Koch Brothers want a 'real progressive leader' in the White House.

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As soon as Obama is voted out, a new paradigm will be in place, supporting human rights, social and environmental justice, health care and jobs. We need a strong leader to deliver all of these things for the USA.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:13 PM

stupidicus (465 posts)

9. who has said there is "no difference"

is what I'd like to know.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:22 PM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

12. Shit, I'm way out of the mainstream but even I can

see what a sociopath Romney is and how fundamentally decent (even if I think he's somewhat misguided) Obama is.

Anyone saying there's no difference between Romney and Obama needs to pull their head out of their ass, for fuck's sake.

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:06 PM

AnnieK401 (475 posts)

23. Well said!

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:33 PM

stupidicus (465 posts)

36. I doubt that

that's (and the content of this top post in my deconstruction of it) just an expression of your pov that BHO/the dems can't be improved upon, or that there's no rational or justifiable cause for an interest in a third party. That must be why the OWS doesn't endorse either, those outta the mainstream kooks.

It reads to me like a roundabout way for "purists" to keep their heads buried in the sand over the similarities between the two major parties, and only the dems are beyond reproach over those similarities.

It sure is nice to know that it's either 100% support for the BHO/dems or not at all in this kinda political calculus.

It's an exaggeration, and quite a dishonest one at that, and likely something that erodes support as much as the things criticized do.

It's also almost like acknowledging the similarities and still supporting BHO/the dems are mutually exclusive things.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:50 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (7,521 posts)

20. Good question. It may be that some are merely raising the issue as a strawman

so that none of us can raise any concerns about the further extension of tax-cuts for the super-rich, the endless wars in the Middle-East, and the pending wage-lowering, let's-send-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreement.

President Obama could distinguish himself from Rmoney by clearly opposing another extension of tax-cuts for the super-rich, by taking steps to end optional wars in the Middle-East, and by stopping his Administration from negotiating for another "free-trade" agreement.

He's going to win re-election, but it would help if he would take certain positions to more clearly distinguish himself from Rmoney.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:26 PM

quaker bill (7,128 posts)

25. Iraq doesn't count?

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Response to quaker bill (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:54 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (7,521 posts)

29. Count for what?

Are you operating under the belief that U.S. tax dollars are not being used to finance U.S. supplied mercenaries in Iraq?

If wars depend upon the existence of the wearing of military uniforms on both sides, then Iraq counts as being peaceful. If that reasoning is applied to the Taliban, can't we say that they are not at war in Afghanistan?

If wars depend upon the MSM reporting and characterizing them as "wars," then aren't all covert wars something other than wars?

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:56 PM

woo me with science (19,563 posts)

32. Thank you. nt

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #20)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:39 PM

stupidicus (465 posts)

37. exactly

that was my deconstruction of it as well.

I saw it as a jab diected at those who'd dare be concerned about the ways they are similar. The only way I've seen that charge even approximated have largely been confined to the "war on terror", not domestic/economic issues. While some charge that even there BHO is repub-lite -- closer to Raygun than FDR -- there's no one of note I'm aware that aren't aware of the many diffs/distinctions between the two guys on domestic/econ issues.

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Response to stupidicus (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:00 PM

Life Long Dem (8,006 posts)

34. That was my first thought

Who the hell ever said there's no difference. There's no difference in Bush and Romney. Heard that one over a hundred times.

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Response to Life Long Dem (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:57 PM

stupidicus (465 posts)

40. one shared by several/many no doubt

Romney could well turn out to be Bush on steroids.

I read it as a slam on those who think there are some similarities between him and BHO, which is exaggerated (the criticisms over this and that) into things like that. It's almost like an individuals eroded support for BHO these days is either counted as more support for Romney, or a treason of sorts.

I don't get it. While I've been a WC Fields kinda guy most of my voting life Hell, I never vote for anybody, I always vote against. W. C. Fields I've always seen myself as the exception rather than the rule, based on experience.

I can see that kinda attitude coming from authoritarian, bed/pants-wetting rightwingnut cult members, but expected more "tolerance" outta "liberals", since that's supposed to define them much as the aforementioned does most of their opposition.

I guess that "similarity" alone makes them "just alike/identical" too...lol

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:36 PM

Flint Stone (29 posts)

14. Because he wasn't born into American Aristocracy (and the obvious)

It doesn't matter that he has governed to the right of an Eisenhower Republican.

It doesn't matter he's given them everything they've asked for; socialism for the rich, poverty for the rest of us.

They really, really think that they are genetically and intellectually superior to the rest of us, and the position of the Presidency is for one of their own. These are truly the most arrogant people on the planet.

If you can gut it, listen to Rush, Hannity, or any right wing mouthpiece. They make it painfully apparent.

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Response to Flint Stone (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:42 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (7,521 posts)

18. You're right on all issues except that he hasn't quite given them everything that they've asked for.

The pending "free-trade" agreement, which Rmoney already says that he supports, has not been finalized.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:36 PM

HopeHoops (47,675 posts)

15. Well, a couple. Rmoney doesn't have a soul and he's not black.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:44 PM

jtuck004 (5,081 posts)

19. They aren't. They are paying to defeat Obama. A loser's game. Who they elect is mostly

immaterial to them, I expect. As long as whoever the "chosen one" is can be twisted in whatever way they want to blow...

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:03 PM

agent46 (859 posts)

21. The right wing dream

of permanent GOP rule is still alive. A Romney presidency would no doubt continue the stacking of the courts and population of the federal bureaucracy with right wing loyalists from theocratic diploma mills in the Bush/Cheney tradition.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:05 PM

Flint Stone (29 posts)

22. In these Peoples Dominions

$400,000,000.00 represents what, a whole 4% of their wealth maybe???

When they start spending significant portions of their vast array of wealth on a presidential race, you'll know we have a real "man of the people" running.

Right now, it's all just kabuki theater so you don't think the deck is stacked.

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Response to Flint Stone (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:54 PM

freedom fighter jh (886 posts)

28. Agree. nt

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:15 PM

scuciti (6 posts)

24. The question

For me as a voter, the question is - does Obama represent me? I'm against facism, the police state and war. Against corporate profiteering at the expense of the poor and middle class.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:56 PM

ecstatic (18,599 posts)

33. uh huh nt

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Response to scuciti (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:44 PM

coalition_unwilling (14,180 posts)

39. That is the wrong question to ask yourself. The right question, imo, is this:

which candidate will best advance the interests of the working class (or do the least damage to those interests).

If I am right that this is the 'real' question, then unquestionably Obama has to be the choice.

I mean is anyone seriously maintaining that Romney will better protect the interests of workers?

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:39 PM

limpyhobbler (6,642 posts)

26. I doubt any human on this earth thinks there is no difference between romney and obama.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:55 PM

ecstatic (18,599 posts)

30. Great comeback for trolls posing as democrats/liberals nt

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:44 PM

emulatorloo (24,216 posts)

38. I've heard it is just a "head fake"

Or I bet I will hear that soon on DU.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:03 PM

Gregorian (19,607 posts)

41. I just had this conversation. I really needed this.

Mister Smarty engineering buddy who knows fucking everything because he reads the Wall Street Journal, and has a photographic memory said that "They're all the same".

I sort of nodded my head, but said that there were things Obama wouldn't do that Mitt will do. Not good enough.

This says it all.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:23 PM

TheKentuckian (17,387 posts)

42. Of course there are differences between Obama and Romney

Hell, there are obvious differences between say Jim DeMint and Poppy Bush. There are are differences between McShame and Romney. There are differences between Olympia Snowe and Ben Nelson. There are differences between Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Who is this argument with? Mostly non-voters, the disengaged, and the tuned out. AKA...not hanging around partisan message boards to receive the barrage of pushback on this.
It seems mostly a ploy to evade conversation about bothersome similarities by flipping it around on a minimal population, almost to the point of chasing shadows.

The tactic is quite familiar. Their is a nagging feeling of a well worn playbook at work in general. Not a carbon copy, more inspiration and assimilation.

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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:44 PM

Bonobo (20,521 posts)

44. No one thinks the are exactly the same.

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A highway is not the same as a local road either.

But if they run parallel, fast or slow, they will arrive in the same place.

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Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:25 AM

alittlelark (14,800 posts)

45. KnR

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General Discussion (Forum)

If there is no difference between Obama and Romney...

1. Good question........Why indeed?

2. Good Question, Mr. Pitt

3. Oh, there is a difference...

27. Yes they want something in return

4. Damned good question!

5. I wonder though, if its Koch for Mitt and if

8. So you think nobody should profit?

11. I don't recall giving my opinion, suprised you came away with one.

13. In a capitalist country there will always be people who profit

31. A rhetorical question often *is* a statement of opinion. nt

17. Sure seems that for the past few years a very few boats have lifted at the expense of

16. Good question. As you've pointed out, it is a rhetorical one.

43. well, the banking industry, pharmaceutical industry.....health insurance industry...

7. Because the Koch Brothers want a 'real progressive leader' in the White House.

9. who has said there is "no difference"

12. Shit, I'm way out of the mainstream but even I can

23. Well said!

36. I doubt that

20. Good question. It may be that some are merely raising the issue as a strawman

25. Iraq doesn't count?

29. Count for what?

32. Thank you. nt

37. exactly

34. That was my first thought

40. one shared by several/many no doubt

14. Because he wasn't born into American Aristocracy (and the obvious)

18. You're right on all issues except that he hasn't quite given them everything that they've asked for.

15. Well, a couple. Rmoney doesn't have a soul and he's not black.

19. They aren't. They are paying to defeat Obama. A loser's game. Who they elect is mostly

21. The right wing dream

22. In these Peoples Dominions

28. Agree. nt

24. The question

33. uh huh nt

39. That is the wrong question to ask yourself. The right question, imo, is this:

26. I doubt any human on this earth thinks there is no difference between romney and obama.

30. Great comeback for trolls posing as democrats/liberals nt

38. I've heard it is just a "head fake"

41. I just had this conversation. I really needed this.

42. Of course there are differences between Obama and Romney

44. No one thinks the are exactly the same.

45. KnR

31. A rhetorical question often is a statement of opinion. nt