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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:45 PM

Just an honest question here about porn...

What IS porn, and what is not?

And who decides if it is or isn't?

There are groups that want to ban the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, calling it "porn."

And besides, I just recently read an article about the porn studios, they are actually hurting, to the point some have closed.
Not from moralists, from the simple fact people are making their own.

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Reply Just an honest question here about porn... (Original post)
Archae Jun 2012 OP
zappaman Jun 2012 #1
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #2
hifiguy Jun 2012 #7
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #15
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #20
hifiguy Jun 2012 #30
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #32
unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #43
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #44
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #11
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #21
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #22
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #25
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #28
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #31
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #34
Hugabear Jun 2012 #36
ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #39
hifiguy Jun 2012 #33
zappaman Jun 2012 #13
FSogol Jun 2012 #17
cloudbase Jun 2012 #19
whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #29
DLine Jun 2012 #3
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #4
hifiguy Jun 2012 #8
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #40
WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #5
cynatnite Jun 2012 #6
TBMASE Jun 2012 #9
snooper2 Jun 2012 #10
snooper2 Jun 2012 #12
HarveyDarkey Jun 2012 #16
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #14
snooper2 Jun 2012 #18
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #23
Archae Jun 2012 #24
snooper2 Jun 2012 #27
hifiguy Jun 2012 #35
Archae Jun 2012 #41
hifiguy Jun 2012 #42
Taverner Jun 2012 #26
hifiguy Jun 2012 #38
Taverner Jun 2012 #45
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #37

Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:48 PM

1. Erotica is what I enjoy

Porn is what you enjoy, ya sick bastid you!

Seriously, the industry is hurting. Much like the music industry, there is so much free stuff out there that people see no reason to pay for it.
I know more than a few in the adult industry and they are trying everything they can to stay afloat.
And, by the way, this is also happening in the mainstream film industry.
Suffice it to say, the internet has changed these businesses forever and they will all have to adapt or vanish.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:50 PM

2. What I am hearing you say is, why would anyone possibly think porn is misogynistic or object to it?

Here are things I find misogynistic and upsetting:

films about gang-banging the urethra and the advertising saying the actress will have to wear diapers for life now.

films about double or triple anal that advertise the actress will have to have a colostomy bag.

kiddy porn.

rape porn.

snuff films.

films that show men choking and hitting women with some force, while calling her "bitch" and "slut." Films that show men choking women with their dicks until vomiting ensues.

I do not find those films loving and respectful of women.

You don't have to agree, that's just my point of view.



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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:01 PM

7. Gads, even those descriptions, which I take to be somewhat sanitized

are disgusting and I am as absolutist a defender of the First Amendment as walks the Earth. I grew up with Playboy back in the 1970s - and Playboy has never been porn - and view porn fairly regularly - one on one M/F no BDSM, no group stuff, no violence or anything that could remotely be called violence. I don't find those things arousing in the least. I do not like and would never consider looking at anything like that. But the human race is a broad, weird stew of fetishes, kinks and strangeness and whatever consenting adults want to do/film/watch is none of my business whatsoever.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:12 PM

15. But can you understand how a woman might feel really threatened by

porn like that? Or a young girl feel really horrified by a boyfriend pressuring her into those acts? Or forcing her physically into those acts?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:24 PM

20. That is not normal

Neither that type of porn, which is certainly not mainstream porn, nor that behavior in a relationship. Anyone who tries to force their partner into unwanted and harmful sex is an abuser. Porn does not make people into an abuser.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:45 PM

30. If a male of any age tries to force something on an unwilling

female partner, a good hard shot in the nuts should readjust his attitude pronto.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:46 PM

32. You would be amazed at how easy it is for a man to overwhelm a woman physically

I found that out when I was raped by a fellow soldier.

It was a terrible feeling to not be able to do anything. You always think you can just knee them in the nuts but...in reality....not so much.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:46 PM

43. I do not know of ANY man

who watches porn in my fairly large social circle who has EVER tried to do double anals or choking scenes with their girlfriends.

There's porn, and then there's sick fuck porn.

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Response to unreadierLizard (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:57 PM

44. Okay, regular porn doesn't bug me, sick fuck porn does bug me. The OP asked, so I told him

what I thought was porn. Just my opinion.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:05 PM

11. Kiddy porn, rape and snuff (murder) are all illegal

Just a point, in case lest anyone think this is actually being marketed somewhere by the porn industry and they are allowed to get away with it.

By the way.....what you think about a film where the woman slaps the guy around and tells him he better do this or that right or he's going to get his ass kicked? Because there's plenty of that out there, and not just in the S&M genre but what is now considered "mainstream".

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

21. Two good points

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:27 PM

22. I have read kiddy porn is the fastest growing segment of porn on the internet.

Have a friend whose husband worked in IT in Afghanistan, this was way back at the beginning of the war. Said he spent all his time erasing hard drives on computers before they were sent home because of all the kiddy porn.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:34 PM

25. Having sex or taking sexually suggestive pictures....

...of an underage person is illegal. They cannot consent to anything. The people who possessed it should be investigated and charged, and anyone selling it should be as well.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:38 PM

28. I agree with you. And what I have been trying to say here is that it is very upsetting for me

to know about things like these. THAT kind of crap is what upsets me about porn, not the stuff that most consider mainstream.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:45 PM

31. But you realize there is no "kiddie porn industry" right?

It's engaged in by criminals who need to keep their activity as quiet as possible.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #31)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:48 PM

34. Yes, I do realize that. It's not legal (yet) thank goodness.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:51 PM

36. It will never be legal.

Not sure why the "yet" was necessary - I cannot foresee ANY realistic scenario that would make kiddie porn legal in the US.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:56 PM

39. Why would you think it would EVER be legal?

Do you think the age of consent will be abolished at some point?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:48 PM

33. I am certainly not saying this stuff is not out there

but the commercial porn business wants absolutely no part of it whatsoever for obvious reasons.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:08 PM

13. "snuff films"

Ever see one?
Ever seen one for sale?
Know anyone who has seen one?
Know anyone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who has seen one?

A snuff film is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual murder of a person or people, without the aid of special effects, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation. The existence of for-profit snuff films is generally considered an urban legend. Some filmed records of executions and murders exist but have not been made or released for commercial purposes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film

or here....
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.asp

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:20 PM

17. Except that Canada is searching for a murderer

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Response to zappaman (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:23 PM

19. Well, there was the one

with Sarah Palin flapping her gums while some guy snuffed a turkey in the background.

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Response to cloudbase (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:42 PM

29. Lol!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

3. Ive always wondered how porn is legal yet prostitution isn't...

They are both paying money for sex. Would picking up a prostitute and paying for sex be legal if I was video taping it?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

4. Then there's food porn to consider.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:03 PM

8. I find guitar porn has the greatest effect on me.

I want Alembic bass guitars just like Stanley Clarke's two basses and I think about them constantly.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:20 PM

40. I've got my father's '74 Giannini craviola.

 

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:53 PM

5. "I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it." - Justice Potter Stewart

I know what it is.

It's the stuff that costs $13.99 on pay-per-view.

Just sayin'.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:59 PM

6. Porn is in the eye of the beholder..

Then there is soft porn, hardcore porn. These days porn will have a descriptive put ahead of it such as gore, BDSM, or whatever to give it a more definitive description.

People have their own ideas and descriptions of porn that it's difficult to nail down.

I've been fairly torn about the subject because it does have a history of exploitation, abuse and other distasteful ways women are treated.

But there is a portion of the industry that is ran by women. They direct and produce their own movies. They write their own pornography and photograph as well. Women have taken hold of their sexuality and used it as they see fit rather than letting others use them.

This is a sense of empowerment where we have control over our sexuality.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:03 PM

9. I want to ban the swimsuit edition for sucking horribly

 

it's become as irrelevant as Playboy, Penthouse and PeepShows

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:04 PM

10. Okay, to start, this would be classified as soft porn





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Response to snooper2 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:07 PM

12. And here are some clips for some more hard core porn



&feature=related

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:17 PM

16. Sock Puppet Porn

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:08 PM

14. The court rulings are that it is whatever a community says it is

Some people think PG-13 LGBT movies are porn. Or Playboy. Or music videos. It is very individual.

The porn industry is changing, like the music industry did, and the companies and actors and actresses who know how to adapt are still doing well (like music companies).

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:22 PM

18. don't forget furry porn

be inclusive---



&feature=related

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:28 PM

23. Please don;t do this to me



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Response to snooper2 (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:29 PM

24. If you're trying to be "funny," you failed.

As in epic fail.

I've seen furry porn, some that would make your eyes water.
(Hello, Doug Winger!)

This is not "furry porn."

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Response to Archae (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:38 PM

27. the better youtube link doesn't allow embedding LOL

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Response to Archae (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:50 PM

35. Furverts are a different subspecies.

I used to manage a comics/sci fi shop back in the 1990s. Yes I've seen Doug Winger's stuff. More than enough of it, anyway.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:42 PM

41. In actuality, Doug Winger's stuff is mild in comparison, with the really screwy stuff nowadays.

Look up "Dick Bitch Molly" if you dare.

Or "vore."

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Response to Archae (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:45 PM

42. In the immortal words of Jed Clampett,

"I believe I'll pass on that."

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:34 PM

26. Porn, I think, is anything someone doesn't like

 

Many people here, men and women, are threatened by sex. They still carry insanity from fundamentalist Christian, Jewish, Muslim or what not.

They hate sex because they secretly hate themselves.

They probably shudder at the thought of looking at their own genitalia.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:52 PM

38. A lot of the hostility to sexuality in general comes from religion.

The true believers, at some base level, hate their own humanity and bodies. Fundamentalist religion of any kind is the shortest path to involuntary mental illness.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:18 PM

45. "Fundamentalist religion of any kind is the shortest path to involuntary mental illness."

 

Agree 100%

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:52 PM

37. Porn is the pejoritive for erotica that some people find offensive.

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