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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:30 PM

Joe the Plumber, the world's biggest fucking moron, says gun control caused the holocaust!

Samuel Wurzelbacher, famously known as ‘Joe The Plumber,’ is running for Congress this year on a platform of party-line Republican reforms, including gun control. But while it’s only natural that he would make a campaign advertisement around the issue, the tact he took is rather unusual — Wurzelbacher has a new advertisement in which he says that gun control laws are responsible for the Armenian genocide and the Holocaust of the Jews. What’s more, he explains the theory while loading his gun and shooting fruits and vegetables. Watch it:

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http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/06/19/502331/joe-the-plumber-gun-control-caused-the-holocaust/

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Reply Joe the Plumber, the world's biggest fucking moron, says gun control caused the holocaust! (Original post)
cynatnite Jun 2012 OP
treestar Jun 2012 #1
OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #2
Taverner Jun 2012 #22
sharp_stick Jun 2012 #3
TBMASE Jun 2012 #4
Liberal Veteran Jun 2012 #5
sufrommich Jun 2012 #6
Erose999 Jun 2012 #10
struggle4progress Jun 2012 #7
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #8
JHB Jun 2012 #9
mrmpa Jun 2012 #23
JHB Jun 2012 #43
mrmpa Jun 2012 #49
edhopper Jun 2012 #11
Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #12
spanone Jun 2012 #13
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #14
The Magistrate Jun 2012 #18
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4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #19
The Magistrate Jun 2012 #20
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #25
devilgrrl Jun 2012 #35
2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #38
trumad Jun 2012 #24
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #26
trumad Jun 2012 #28
2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #41
trumad Jun 2012 #46
Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #54
Iggo Jun 2012 #51
hifiguy Jun 2012 #45
CreekDog Jun 2012 #36
cynatnite Jun 2012 #27
trumad Jun 2012 #29
Erose999 Jun 2012 #30
2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #34
CreekDog Jun 2012 #37
2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #39
trumad Jun 2012 #42
devilgrrl Jun 2012 #33
HangOnKids Jun 2012 #47
RetroLounge Jun 2012 #48
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #15
malaise Jun 2012 #16
joeybee12 Jun 2012 #17
rurallib Jun 2012 #21
moondust Jun 2012 #31
apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #32
Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #40
metalbot Jun 2012 #53
hifiguy Jun 2012 #44
Zoeisright Jun 2012 #50
apocalypsehow Jun 2012 #52
MrScorpio Jun 2012 #55
Bishop W. M. Romney Aug 2012 #56

Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:34 PM

1. I'd fact check that, for one thing

Too many people will hear that and just believe it without checking to see if it's really true. Hard to imagine 1911 Turkey had gun control laws, as opposed to people just not having guns. And would that saved them from the genocide? That's another entirely different question based on entirely different factors.



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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:35 PM

2. While citizens were, in fact, disarmed leading up to and before before the genocide...

 

The weapon bans & confiscations were certainly not what *caused* the holocaust. That was just plain old bigotry, hatred, and extreme-nationalism. But no doubt disarming the citizens just made it alot simpler.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:39 PM

22. Disarming, going after groups one by one, taking control of all media and the universities

 

The holocaust did not start until well into Nazi rule.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:35 PM

3. The fact that

outright fucking nutjobs like Sam and Herman Cain actually make a significant dent in republican polling really shows how crazy the supporters of that party have become.

The fact that he actually has a chance at winning a seat in Congress proves that a significant number of people in this country are simply too fucking stupid for words.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:35 PM

4. of course it did

 

jews were big gun enthusiasts in prewar europe

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:39 PM

5. Cum hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

I expected better from noted historian and sociologist Joe Wurzelbacher.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:42 PM

6. So who's advocating taking away his guns?

Answer: nobody.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:06 PM

10. I'll advocate taking away Joe the Unlicensed Plumber's guns. That guy is a fuckin sociopath.

Melt his guns down and make solar panels, hybrid cars, commuter trains, and giant... giant dildos out of them. Because fuck Joe The Plumber.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:44 PM

7. Joe's a vacuous fellow, who regurgitates as fact whatever he's told to say

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:49 PM

8. Hasn't he crawled into a Schlitz keg to hide yet?

 

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:53 PM

9. Riiight. Because if a Jewish shop owner in the early '30s had shot the SA thugs...

Last edited Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:00 PM - Edit history (1)

...breaking his shop windows it would have stopped Nazi antisemitism in its tracks. Made it unthinkable, even, for them to come back later and lynch the guy.

IIRC, the Wiemar-era gun control laws were intended to keep groups like the nazis from acting like private armies (like the nazis actually did in the 1923 beer-hall putch. In that sense, it worked in that the Nazis staged a political takeover rather than an armed revolution.

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Response to JHB (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

23. 1923 not 1023...........

I know the keys are near, but 900 years is 900 years.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:02 PM

43. I hate when that happens...

You should see the jams I get into when I do that in the Tardis.

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Response to JHB (Reply #43)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:43 PM

49. lol....eom

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:10 PM

11. I guess no one had guns

in France, Holland, Poland, etc....

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:11 PM

12. He must be getting his talking points from.....

.... our gungeon.

Someone should be along shortly with that Pol Pot, Stalin poster.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:11 PM

13. correction: biggest fucking moron in the UNIVERSE.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:12 PM

14. I wouldn't say it caused it. But it certainly made things easier

 

the disarmed Jews in Germany were far easier to round up than the armed ones in Warsaw (many were killed anyway, but not in camps).


If I were trying to strip away a group of people's rights and ultimately exterminate them it would be far easier if they were first disarmed.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

18. Stupidest Post Of The Thread, So Far, Sir

The thing is young, of course, but you have set the bar pretty high for those who might follow....

It its obvious you know next to nothing of the matter.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:18 PM

19. ?

 

A logical rebuttal may have been more worth your effort.

Are you seriously arguing that it is easier to control people who own guns than to control people without guns?

Anyway you may want to rethink your debate style. Starting out full-douche doesn't leave you anywhere to go. Start out semi-douche then you can work yourself up as the conversation progresses.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

20. Demonstrate Your Level Further, Sir: It Will Amuse Even More People

It is abundantly clear from your comment you know nothing about the subject. Any comment made from ignorance is bound to be stupid, and yours has been spectacularly so. It is really not worth the effort to educate you, nor is it my responsibility, or of the slightest interest to me, to do so. But you know nothing of the history which you are making such a shabby and cheap attempt to invoke in service of a private obsession with possession of the power of life and death over others.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:12 PM

38. I predict some of the usual idiots will whine about how that "innocent" post was "unfairly" hidden.

Because, you know, a Holy Defender of the Even Holier RKBA can do no wrong.

You just wait and see.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

24. This is possibly the dumbest post I've ever read on DU.

Check--- this is the dumbest post ever read on DU.

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Response to trumad (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:45 PM

26. How so?

 

You want to round up people in to camps against their will, let's say.

Would you prefer A) they are armed or B) they are not armed.

It's easy enough to say "hurr you iz dum huhhuh".

But that often falls short of an actual argument.

Dumb statements are easily refuted with evidence right? If I had said "water is dry" you could refute that.

So do so.

Prove that it is in fact easier to commit genocide against armed people rather than unarmed.

It's pretty self-evident that forcing someone to do something they don't like is easier if you have a weapon and they don't.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:49 PM

28. Double Down stupid.

Yeah that little rabbit rifle will do the trick against the SS.

Un-Fucking really stupid---it fucking burns.

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Response to trumad (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:15 PM

41. For your entertainment. And ours.

At Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Double Down stupid.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=829024

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

4thLoR makes a statement about disarming citizens then Trumad exclaims at the stupidity (offering no counterpoint or discussion). 4thLoR replies with his reasoning/explanation and Trumad basically comes back with more baseles "stupid" insults and no meaninful discussion. "Un-Fucking really stupid" ... really? That is supposed to be civil discussion? IMO, this poster is being completely rude and insensitive... just because an opinion may be disagreeable is no reason to be rude and insulting.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:13 PM, and the Jury voted 0-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Trumad appears to be persisting in calling the argument stupid - NOT the poster he's responding to. Whether or not he backs up his position isn't really "jury business."
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: One: much worse personal attacks are left alone. Two: alerted post is factually correct on all counts. Three: there is no number three. Go take a nap.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I believe most of these posts to be disruptive, so let them fight it out!


Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The poster has the right to his opinion...and I have heard much worse said....we can't be so freaking sensitive if we are going to have substantive discussions.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:20 PM

46. LOL

Thanks

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Response to trumad (Reply #46)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:27 AM

54. And not a single Trumad on the jury

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #41)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:25 PM

51. 0-6?

Whu-pah!!!

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Response to trumad (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:07 PM

45. The Prophet George Carlin once observed

that "The Army has tanks and flamethrowers. We don't. Looks like we're pretty fucked if we try to fight the Army." Nuff said.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:11 PM

36. Yes, just like in Red Dawn

glad to see your beliefs are so thoroughly grounded in unreality.

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Response to trumad (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:49 PM

27. The stooopid just doesn't stop either. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:50 PM

29. Unreal.

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Response to trumad (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:55 PM

30. Not to mention its invalid anyway, as there were many groups of partisan fighters who faced the Nazi


nazzies. Even supplied with arms by the allies, these groups were pretty ineffective at stopping the holocaust. They were good at small operations like sabotage, intelligence gathering/sharing and what not, but they didn't stand a chance against something as organized and large in scale as the holocaust.

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Response to trumad (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:03 PM

34. I've been here only five months and, incredible as it may seem, you're wrong.

But since you don't hang around much in the Religion forum, that's an understandable mistake.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:12 PM

37. I wouldn't hold that against him

I wouldn't hold not hanging around that forum against anybody.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #37)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:13 PM

39. Point taken.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #34)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:15 PM

42. LOL--- I wouldn't last a day in that group.

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Response to devilgrrl (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:29 PM

47. He Needs To Bring A Wagon To Pick Up A Couple Of His Buddies A Long The Way

 

Just sayin'.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:37 PM

48. Stupidest post on this subject I've ever seen at DU

and there've been a lot...

Congrats!



RL

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:13 PM

15. Teh STOOOPID...

 

it burns.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

16. Remember he's so dumb he isn't even a plumber

One more ReTHUG moron

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

17. It also causes the majority of miscarriages...

Look it up...no, wait, don't. Just take my word for it.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:38 PM

21. scary to think someone this dumb is even running

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:57 PM

31. Of pop guns and Panzer Divisions.

Has Joe been hitting the bath salts?

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:58 PM

32. Hell, we got a basement full of trigger-happy bobo's who think that's spot-on logic.

I'm surprised more of them haven't surfaced to claim, "I'm a liberal, mind you, but Joe's got a point...."

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:14 PM

40. How does he explain our super "well armed" military's inability to win wars?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:29 PM

53. Actually, I think that's his point

The people we are fighting are armed with guns and home made explosives. They have no tanks and airplanes. And despite this, they've continued to fight us for more than 10 years.

(not trying to jump into the validity of his argument, but what you are saying supports his point)

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:04 PM

44. Congrats, "Joe."

You just won "dumbest SOB of the month."

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:16 PM

50. Is that asshole still around? Fuck him.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:20 PM

52. *Kick*

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:58 AM

55. The best thing about this nimrod's congressional bid is that he's up against Marcy Kaptur...

And he only has an ice cube's chance in a blast furnace of beating her in November.

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