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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:29 PM

 

If you don't like porn, I have a solution:

DON'T FUCKING LOOK AT IT

Calling a DUer who likes porn a "misogynist" is calling out another DUer, no different than calling someone who doesn't support Obama a racist, or calling someone who doesn't support x a crypto-conservative.

This kind of hatred against other DUers should not be tolerated.

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Reply If you don't like porn, I have a solution: (Original post)
Taverner Jun 2012 OP
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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:34 PM

1. Do you have a link for the call out?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:35 PM

4. Go look at Scootaloo's manifesto

 

I trashed the thread because I haven't got the time to play with rabbits

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Response to Taverner (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:03 PM

41. That wasn't a call out.

That was consumer information.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:32 PM

139. too busy playing with yourself?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:34 PM

2. If you don't like threads complaining about porn, I have a solution

DON'T FUCKING LOOK AT THEM

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Response to fishwax (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:35 PM

3. for the win! n/t

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Response to Scout (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:36 PM

6. arguing with you is playing chess with a pigeon, I swear...

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

19. LOL

who was even arguing with you?

not me.

poor baby. wankers gotta wank.

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Response to Taverner (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:40 PM

15. " Now go back to whatever rock you crawled out from" -- lol, that was rude

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Response to fishwax (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:41 PM

17. Quid pro quo...

 

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Response to Taverner (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:44 PM

25. for what, quoting you?

Sure, whatever.

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Response to fishwax (Reply #15)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:44 PM

24. Sorry - I just get pissed at moral crusaders of any stripe

 

And I come out fighting

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Response to Taverner (Reply #24)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:34 PM

62. I see. Are you pissed at those who are trying to stop kiddy porn? BTW

kiddy porn is the fastest growing type of porn on the internet, or so I've read.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #62)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:08 PM

74. I believe there are other ways of prosecuting

Where, the acts themselves are considered illegal, and as such prosecutable.
I am against such things and feel that any one who would commit such a crime should be summarily defanged(e.g. Castration)

I don't know how I feel about possesion of a picture or video though, particularly if one is trying to build a case against someone, which is a valid reason for evidence gathering.

It is definitely not my thing. I mean seriously, I got sick just reading the description of "A Serbian Film" good god, disgusting(Actually, if someone reads what happens in that film and still does not feel even the least bit sick, I would not want to meet that person).

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Response to Xyzse (Reply #74)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:10 PM

75. Ah, so you feel the act should still be criminal with kiddy porn, but possession decriminalized?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #75)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

101. Not quite

I have very very conflicted feelings about it. I really don't even want to think that such things happen, even when I know it does.
Besides, as I mentioned, possesion of it when dealing with building a case against someone I believe is legal.

And no, currently Snuff, Kiddy and such things are illegal. As I said, there are more avenues of prosecution in regards to that. Which goes back to my point of possesion to build a case against someone. Particularly if one is trying to figure out the perpetrators.

Also! Since minors are not able to give legal consent, I think such things are illegal regardless any way, and should remain that way.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #62)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:02 AM

110. Oh please, REALLY? Kiddy porn is horrible and people who deal in it should be shot, but

 

I doubt it's the fastest growing thing. Perhaps the REPORTING of it is.

And going after kiddy porn is not the same as going after regular porn.

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Response to fishwax (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:37 PM

8. If you don't like threads complaining about threads that complain about porn...

we'd better stop here before we break the internet.

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Response to Dr. Strange (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:41 PM

16. :)

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Response to fishwax (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:39 PM

13. +1! n/t

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Response to fishwax (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:33 AM

133. +1000 nt

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Response to fishwax (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:03 AM

147. +1,000,000 The OP lacks basic comprehension skills. nt.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:37 PM

7. This belongs in Meta:

"Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU."

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:39 AM

151. +1

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:37 PM

9. Whoa, Taverner.

You and I are usually in agreement about these matters. And I would be the first to say, if porn offends you, don't watch it. Abso-frickin-lutely.

But, the larger point here is not that misogynists are watching porn, but that misogynists are making it and thus perpetuating the misogyny. And behaving as if this were a desirable norm.

I wish there was better porn out there for the watching, porn that didn't objectify the players. I wish that sex work was better regarded by society as a valid work choice.

If you're watching a lot of mainstream porn and internalizing the idea that this is what a normal sexual relationship looks like, then I think there's a correlative problem.

Watching porn doesn't make you a misogynist. But, if you're of the "make me a sandwich" mentality, it could certainly nudge you down that path.

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Response to lapislzi (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:39 PM

12. So some guy taking pictures of his wife is misogyny? Got it.

 

Lots of people make porn - everyone from sleazy businessmen to home grown - dare I say - 'mom and pop' organizations

Not all of them are misogynists

I fear "misogynist" will lose its sting with all of this throwing it about

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Response to Taverner (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:46 PM

27. Did you even read my post?

I should have qualified: not everyone who makes porn is a misogynist.

But I have a real problem with the objectification of people, mostly women, in mainstream porn. I think it promotes misogyny.

You know me better than that, T. I'm not a broad-brush painter.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:37 PM

10. Is this porn?



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Response to snooper2 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:39 PM

11. That is disgusting

and has no place on this site.
Please remove it or I will be forced to alert.
No, I will not sit down and STFU!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:47 PM

30. What's disgusting is this...

Look how he just holds on to her and won't let her go, it's barbaric and sick


&feature=related

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #30)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:56 PM

36. Turtle Humps Shoe

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Response to Ian David (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:00 PM

38. ROFL ROFL They do everything slow LOL

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #38)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:02 PM

39. This is what Mitch McConnel does in his wife's closet. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:43 AM

118. Gah, I'm going to puke at that mental image! nt

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Response to Ian David (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:05 PM

43. ....



The squeaking makes the video.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #36)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:50 PM

106. For X-mas sake, post a NSFW warning before posting that kind of smut!!!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:50 AM

152. Nah, that's just your garden variety upside-down cowgirl.

(But that creepy penguin on the right looks like he's digging it!)

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:40 PM

14. go away, 'batin

 

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

22. lol

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

18. You shouldn't take the ramblings of a brony so seriously.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

20. :)

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

21. If you don't like murder, I have a solution:

DON'T FUCKING MURDER ANYONE

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

23. Yep, porn=murder. Riiiiiiight....

 

Can I have "False Equivalencies" for $500, Alex

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Response to Taverner (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:46 PM

28. If Porn = Murder, then I am Sperm-Hitler. n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #28)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:48 PM

31. Bill Hicks

 


"I have wiped entire civilizations off of my chest, with a grey gym sock. That is special. Entire nations have flaked and crusted in the hair around my navel. That is special. And I want you to think about that, you two-egg-carrying beings out there with that holier-than-thou, we-have-the-gift-of-life attitude. I have tossed universes, in my underpants, while napping. That is special."

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Response to Taverner (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:52 PM

35. I was trying to make the point that your advice doesn't address the argument against porn.

The cases against porn made on DU concerns societal harm, so simply not looking at it won't address the perceived issues.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:09 PM

49. So we should restrict or demonize what consenting adults do in private because

 

some people consider it to be devastating to society, even though no actual studies bear that out?

I've heard this argument before . . .

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:04 AM

111. Yes we should, because porn=murder, LOL!!!!

 

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #49)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:14 AM

116. I never said any of that. You're being weird. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #116)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:06 AM

119. You're the one who stated that there was a "societal harm" associated with porn

 

could you elaborate on that?

And for the sake of argument, let's say porn is worse for society than infectious disease and fundamentalist religion put together. What should we do about that?

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #119)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:31 AM

124. No, I said the OP doesn't address the argument against porn. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #124)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:40 AM

127. Ok, it looks like I misread your statement

 

to be clear you were just stating the intent of the OP, not your personal belief right?

If so I apologize.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #127)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:44 AM

128. Right. I don't know how harmful the different types of porn are,

but many of the arguments against different types of porn are serious, well thought out arguments, in my opinion.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #128)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:47 AM

129. My bad then

 

sorry about that.

To be clear I think there are legitimate arguments against certain kinds of porn and if someone doesn't want to see it obviously they shouldn't be subjected to it.

I just don't care for anyone who talks about demonizing/banning porn because they don't personally enjoy it. Smacks of religious conservatism (eww, you're enjoying an orgasm doing something I would never do? That's disgusting and dangerous and should be banned!).

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #129)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:10 PM

135. No problems. I sometimes read extra stuff into posts as well. nt

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #119)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:36 AM

125. The "porn causes societal harm" meme

is an exact parallel to the frenzied squawking of the anti-choice wingnuts who just know, deep down in their hearts, that every woman who chooses to terminate a pregnancy suffers some horrible, unquantifiable but unprovable harm. It has to be true because it supports their preordained position. It has to be taken as a matter of faith because there is no onjective, peer-reviewed scientific evidence to support it.

We progressives and liberals rightfully mock right wingers who make arguments of this sort. Why is it not equally mockable on the porn issue?

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #125)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:39 AM

126. Because porn = rape

 

and porn watchers = rapists.

Or so I have been told.

/I think the "oh but think of society!" argument should be automatically suspect regardless of the issue in question. Don't cite "society" a nebulous and ever changing concept to begin with. Cite specific things. Like "Porn has been linked to a rise in autism rates in house cats" or something along those lines. If it can't be done then it's a matter of personal preference, not political necessity.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #126)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:48 AM

130. Porn = Rape like Elective Abortion = Murder.

That is a theological position, not a rational political one, and deserves to be rejected for the same reasons.

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Response to hifiguy (Reply #130)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:54 AM

131. Agree

 

without reservations.

That is my position entirely.

If a real effect could be shown associated with increased porn viewership (like if you double the accessibility of porn rapes go up 4 fold) I would listen to the arguments.

So far though it's just a matter of personal preference and opinion.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:26 PM

59. Exactly.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #35)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

79. +1!

I don't think the OP here read the entire post...

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:48 PM

32. A better comparison would be suicide or euthanasia

 

since looking at porn or performing in it (in legal porn at least) all requires consent.

Some people may not approve on religious grounds or for some other reason. But euthanasia would involve only consenting parties, like porn.

The only porn that could be justly compared to murder would be illegal porn where one or more party is not consenting.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:05 PM

44. Also, if you don't like it, don't make it. n/t

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:24 AM

149. Maybe the dumbest post in this thread! Congrats! n-t

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:45 PM

26. Damn! Too late! I already looked at it today (twice). n/t

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Response to Ian David (Reply #26)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:46 PM

29. Uh oh - looks like we'll have to confess our sins to the resident moralists

 

Because obviously looking at some guy's wife posing killed kittens, or babies, or ponies, or bothered SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE...

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Response to Taverner (Reply #29)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:49 PM

33. STOP SAYING PONIES!

I can't stop laughing.

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Response to LeftyMom (Reply #33)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:17 PM

81. I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't involve ponies.

I have a soft spot for ponies.

"ARE YOU NUTS? I'M A HORSE!"

EVERY TIME YOU CLOP, PINKIE PIE KILLS A PONY

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:50 PM

34. You can also see both sides of an issue.

And then go about your business anyways.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:57 PM

37. Porn serves a purpose. It drove sales of home movies (film, VHS, DVD) as well as the Internet.

 

But yeah, it's simple - don't look at it if you don't like it. I apply the same rule to pictures of assholes in the newspaper like Mr. Frothy, Rmoney, and that fracking Corbett - I cover them up with the sticky square advertisements they put in the upper right corner of the front page.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:03 PM

40. I agree with everyone.

1. If you don't like porn, don't watch it.
2. If you don't like threads critical of porn, don't read them.
3. Someone who likes porn is not by default a misogynist, especially if they are watching gay porn.
4. Not everyone in the business is a "victim" or someone who cannot make a living doing something else.
5. Not all porn is equal. SOME things are and should be unacceptable in society (I don't think we need to go down the list). It should be made by and for CONSENTING ADULTS.
6. Porn is not for everyone. Don't make your partner look at it if he/she objects.
7. When it comes to the "public square", I wish ads were less overtly sexual. I'm tired of my son asking why models are almost naked.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:09 PM

48. The problem lies here:

The participants may be consenting adults, but the societal harm of objectifying, in this case, women falls upon all of us females who do not consent to by objectified by men who think that is the norm.

Get it?

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #48)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:11 PM

50. For me to "get it"

I would have to agree with the assumption that it is objectification, which I don't.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #50)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:16 PM

54. You don't think porn that portrays women

as only cum receptacles isn't objectification?

As I said earlier, the woman in the flick may be consenting, but she's passing along a message of objectification onto other women who didn't consent to that treatment.

I don't want to be thought of as a cum receptacle.

But, as a result of some women consenting to act that way, many men feel that's all I am because I'm female and I didn't consent to that.

That's objectification.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:20 PM

57. I think most men know the difference.

NO:




Yes:

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Response to Ian David (Reply #57)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:00 PM

70. And this is all about how men feel?...Sorry, we women who are the subjects of most of it, have

what you might call a "unique perspective". .

My opinion: Porn varies a LOT...Lately, much of it has gotten VERY ugly,

demeaning and VIOLENT.

Men REALLY need to try putting themselves in the position of women

who are, by and large, both physically and socially/emotionally more

vulnerable then men.

Until they stop being simply consumers and manufacturers,

they won't have a clue....It is, in fact, a bit like telling Black people

how they should feel about being called "boy" or "nigger".

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Response to whathehell (Reply #70)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:03 PM

73. Yes, men are terrible monsters who will spooge all over you as you sit on the bus...

... because it's something we saw in a movie once.

I get it now.

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Response to Ian David (Reply #73)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:19 PM

83. I told my girlfriend she needs to be more like The Black Widow

She's hot and looks like Scarlett Johansson, plus she's a superhero who fights alongside the Hulk and Iron Man. Why can't MY WOMAN do all that? A LOT OF PEOPLE SAW IT RIGHT ON SCREEN!!! PICK UP THE SLACK, LADIES!!!

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Response to Ian David (Reply #73)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:36 AM

164. What a sad joke..

One hardly has to wait for a "movie"...Try the news reports

and the stats telling you a woman is beaten every 15 SECONDS

I'm sure your concern will be duly noted.

http://www.idph.state.il.us/about/womenshealth/factsheets/dv.htm

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Response to whathehell (Reply #164)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:45 AM

168. I don't think men beat women because it looks like something cool they saw in a porno. n/t

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Response to whathehell (Reply #70)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

77. EXACTLY, thank you.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #70)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:21 PM

85. "who are, by and large, both physically and socially/emotionally more vulnerable then men."

Wait, isn't that sexist?

I mean, I'd tend to agree in certain respects......but I've been told here by the experts at feminism that holding the door for a woman is sexist so I don't know anymore.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #70)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:07 PM

158. Thank you.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:46 PM

69. You're making a lot of leaps there....

....and sadly, it tells me a lot more about your view of men than it does anything else.

Do you also judge women who have sex with a man in a lesser amount of dates than you would because they are setting the bar too low for you and you didn't consent to that because you don't want to be thought of as a "four date woman"?

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #54)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:35 PM

96. The portrayal of males in porn is hardly nuanced and multidimensional

They're just walking dicks.

That's objectification, too.

But no one really cares about that.

And no one should; it's just entertainment, not life lessons.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #54)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:49 AM

114. But you are!

 

Unless you are a lesbian (and please do not suggest that I'm being disrespectful to my lesbian sisters) or a nun you probably have, at some point, participated in recreational sex; hence, you have been a receptacle for semen.

Those "many men" that consider you a "cum receptacle" will undoubtedly view you in that way even if they are creepy-conservative-fundies that consider porn to be a moral offense, because that's how misogynists view women.

I enjoy *some* pornography, yet I don't see you or *any* woman in that way. Because I'm not a misogynist.

You're blaming the vehicle for the car-crash instead of the drunk behind the wheel.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #54)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:00 AM

146. Someone should invent a phrase for "cum receptacle".

 

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 02:10 AM

113. Do you think banning porn would stop some men from objectifying women? nt

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #48)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:24 AM

123. The almost religious faith held by some in the notion

that these externalities (i.e., "objectification") in fact exist is rather puzzling to me. That they exist is taken as a given that cannot be challenged, yet no objective, peer-reviewed scientific evidence exists in support of their existence.

Taking such an assertion on faith alone is just as wack as accepting the myth of transubstantiation at face value. It is not possible to will something into existence just because you wish it to be true to support your preconceived conclusions.

Furthermore, the entire concept of "objectification" seems awfully murky. This is not measuring red shift in light from distant galaxies, which can be mathematically proven. The term "objectification" itself is highly subjective because there is no way to define the term in a cut and dried way that stands, like a mathematical proof, outside the debate. So the term is basically meaningless.

The anti-porn people remind me of nothing so much as the anti-choice people who just "know" that a woman who terminates a pregnancy suffers some incredible, yet unquantifiable and unverifiable harm. No evidence is offered other than the belief that it MUST be so. And it must be so because it supports their position, evidence be damned.

ETA: I am talking here about "conventional" porn - pix or movies of people having consensual sex, not the kinds of hyper-extreme (and to me personally disgusting) things LiberalLoner has described here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=828673

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #48)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 10:33 AM

145. You don't seem to be overly concerned about

 

the objectification of male porn stars. No love for the pool guy?

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Response to RandySF (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:17 PM

55. +1000 n/t

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Response to RandySF (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:13 PM

76. I'm tired of my daughters asking it, too.

But they know how the real world operates now.

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Response to RandySF (Reply #40)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:29 PM

92. thank you for all of that. nt

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:03 PM

42. Agreed! n/t

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:06 PM

45. Mama always said ... "Porn is like a box of Chocolates ... "

Sometimes its sweet and creamy ... sometimes its bitter, sticky, and there are too many nuts.

And as always, if you are not sure which kind of chocolate it is, take a bite, and if it tastes bad, put it back so some one else can try it.

There ... problem solved.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #45)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:23 PM

86. Your mama was a strange gal.

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Response to randome (Reply #86)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:45 PM

104. You have no idea ...

Of course I took that framing from Forrest Gump, but my mother was / is, rather free in terms of her views on human sexuality.

I recall once when I was 18, I brought home my new girl friend. She and I had spent the day with friends at a lake, and we were on out way to met other friends at a party. I introduced my mother and the girlfriend, and ran up stairs for a quick shower.

When I came downstairs, I found my mother (a nurse) and my new girlfriend, discussing penile pumps. My mother was explaining how such pumps are used to help a man achieve an erection.

And as I arrived in the room she said ... "Seems to me that the woman could just BLOW it UP". And then she said, "But she should not tie a knot in the end, or try to make balloon animals."



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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:06 PM

46. Kind of hard to not look at it when it's piped in nightly on broadcast TV,

and is only a click of the mouse away.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:08 PM

47. They can have my porn

when they pry it from my cramped, lubricated hands

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #47)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:16 PM

53. Lol!

Awesome!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:13 PM

51. But we have to DEAL with people who look at it.

Granted, there are some who look at it and aren't so compelled to objectify women.

But, there are vast numbers of, particularly young men, who begin to think that objectifying women is the NORM and begin to treat women WHO DID NOT CONSENT TO PARTICIPATE IN SAID PORN VIEWING like shit.

The thread you're complaining about points out just that very thing.

You can look at it, but can you leave the message in your sock and not spray it upon other non-consenting adults? If you can't, then there's the problem.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #51)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:29 PM

60. Yup. I have heard from so many young women who are so tired

of men spraying them in the faces, forcing anal on them without their consent or lubrication and causing bodily harm, etc.

The young men learned those behaviors from porn. Young women are upset and sometimes physically damaged when those porn moves are performed on them.

Even young men are harmed because by doing these things to young women, they lose relationships, or in the case of rape, risk jail time.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #51)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:09 AM

112. Yup, just like we have to deal with people who watch violent movies.

 

Granted, there are some who look at it and aren't so compelled to become violent themselves.

But, there are vast numbers of, particularly human beings, who begin to think that shotgun orchestras are the norm and begin to go out on shooting sprees involving PEOPLE WHO DID NOT CONSENT TO PARTICIPATE IN SAID FIREARMS PORN.

You can look at violent TV, but can you leave the message in your holster and not spray non-consenting adults with hot lead? Many people can't. So violent movies are a problem.

^^^ satire, folks.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:15 PM

52. Agreed. But as usual, Monty Python supplies the

best answer:

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:18 PM

56. Between equal rights

force decides.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:21 PM

58. My not looking at it doesn't change the fact that

some of it is some nasty, exploitative shit. With, yes, a degree of misogyny.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #58)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:30 PM

61. What, are you saying "urethra gang-bang" is misogynistic? No way!

(Sarcasm)

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:35 PM

64. Or are you saying when they choke and slap the girls, it's women-hating? No way! (Sarcasm)

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #64)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:35 PM

65. Or are you saying when they force a woman to vomit, that's abuse? No way! (Sarcasm)

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #65)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:36 PM

66. How about a double anal film that announces the actress will have to wear a colostomy bag from now

on? That's not the LEAST BIT misogynistic, is it?

(Sarcasm)

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:39 PM

67. Or how about a film that recommends "surprising" your loved one with some A2M, against her will?

Not like there are any health concerns with that...and not like forcing something on a woman is misogynistic or anything....ya know...

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #67)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:40 PM

68. But I know, all those things are just good wholesome loving fun between men and women and

anyone who says "hey this stuff is kind of hateful to women, isn't it?" is automatically a prude and a horrible person who hates all sex and hates men!

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #68)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:01 PM

71. Whoa

Do you have titles for these?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #68)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:03 PM

72. Paragraphs work as well as separate posts.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #68)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:24 PM

87. wow....

you`ve got some fucked up taste in porn if that`s the kind of stuff you`re watching... not my cuppa tea but... one thing I`ve learned lately is not to judge anyone else`s kink.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #87)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

88. Not the kind of stuff I'm watching, stuff I am aware of because of feminist blogs and links.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #87)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:26 PM

89. You know....

....I've never even heard of "urethra gang bang" and I'm the degenerate?

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #89)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:29 PM

91. Just another example of trying to shame a woman into silence for bringing up a serious issue.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #91)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:30 PM

93. And I am leaving because as a victim of rape as a child and then as an adult, this is way too

triggering for me, especially with the one guy calling for decriminalization of the possession kiddy porn.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #91)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:33 PM

94. as opposed to..

trying to shame consumers of mainstream porn by finding the most extreme, egregious examples of fringe kink?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #91)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:38 PM

98. Seriously, you weren't trying to shame?

I said I've never heard of it, and I admit to watching porn. Clearly, your attempt to shame people failed, because I didn't even know that existed, nor would I care to watch it anyway. Using your logic, myself and all the other porn freaks should have known about it.

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Response to ProudToBeBlueInRhody (Reply #98)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:41 PM

102. No, I wasn't attempting to shame. I was trying to talk about examples of porn that many of you

probably have never heard of, in order to show you examples of stuff that I PERSONALLY feel is misogynistic in nature.

Because if all you know about is playboy, you aren't even going to understand what we feminists are talking about, and you will think we are crazy.

I don't have a problem with Playboy.

I do have a problem with the examples I have listed. They upset me.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #102)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:54 PM

107. I know a little bit more than Playboy

Playboy is not porn, at least by any legal definition. But to some......

You don't have a problem with Playboy, but many here do.

That's the problem. People have varying degrees of what they find pornographic. If you stop the things you find offensive, will you then be willing to stand up and stop the people who think Playboy should be banned?

This is also what I'm getting at with you in the other thread. Bringing up kiddie porn is muddying the issue because having sex with kids is illegal, and that stuff cannot be marketed unless you want the Feds at your door in an hour. Including kiddie porn in a discussion about the pornography industry is like yelling about Pfizer or Bristol Meyers Squibb during a discussion about crystal meth.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #68)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:33 PM

95. Or how about that horrible porno that advocating mass murdering half the human race?

Oh, wait, that wasn't a porno, that was Valerie Solanis's historically important and brilliantly satirical SCUM Manifesto.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #67)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:13 AM

121. You certainly know your porn

 

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #121)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:16 AM

122. I read feminist blogs that talk about this stuff. I automatically am drawn to blogs like that

because I was raped as a child repeatedly and also as an adult, and it has left me with PTSD.

So I get scared when I hear about abusive types of porn, it brings back those feelings I had when being raped, and I sort of want to know what the danger is.

I am hyperalert I guess I would say.

To me, those types of porn I mentioned remind me very much of my being raped, of being abused, and it upsets me.

If you were in my shoes maybe you'd understand.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #121)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:17 AM

148. I noticed that too. Curious familiarity for someone so (seemingly) repulsed by porn. n/t.

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Response to apocalypsehow (Reply #148)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:51 AM

153. Like the anti-gay folks

 

who can't seem to stop spending all their time following around homosexuals and obsessing over them.

It's weird.

I don't care for celery. So I tend to avoid it. I don't care for evangelicals. So I tend to avoid such churches.

But for some people hate = following around, researching, and thinking about constantly!

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #67)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:06 PM

154. what's A2M?

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #66)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:16 PM

80. it's art for art's sake. it's a vital expression of the human spirit

what, can't you appreciate art? philistine! tyrant! dworkinite!

(sarcasm)

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Response to BOG PERSON (Reply #80)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:18 PM

82. Can't wait until the chainsaws come out and they start hacking off female limbs in movies for real

If men start jerking off to that, we'll see them here fiercely defending the "de-limbing" movies as an expression of wonderful freedom and love between a man and a woman....

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #82)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:28 PM

90. Yeah, just like man on dog marriage

Hi, Senator Santorum. How's the slippery slope? Still scary?

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #58)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:34 PM

63. I wish they would at least change some of the titles to be more respectful. n/t

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:14 PM

78. As I said on the original thread

There was an actual need for the STORIES back in the time of the sexual revolution because many of them involved women with hangups going on a mission of exploration and becoming a more emancipated person in the end. More confident and "comfortable in their own skin". But this was back it the early days when women weren't supposed to enjoy sex.

It seems every time we start to get over our hangups there's a major setback. People were having loads of fun and all of the sudden AIDS shows up out of the blue and what used to be a happy meal became poison. Lots of people feel the timing of that was too damn convenient for the religious control freaks.

Don't get me wrong. The original poster had a point in the type of stuff out there treating women like objects but a lot of women are still in search of the liberating storyline which is prevalent in romance novels. While men are more visually stimulated, women are more into what men used to call "mush".

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #78)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:37 PM

97. New brain research challenges the myth that men are more visual than women.

http://sexuality.about.com/b/2006/06/19/new-brain-research-challenges-the-myth-that-men-are-more-visual-than-women.htm

It is considered an almost forgone conclusion across research disciplines, among pop psychologists of all stripes, and in the general population that men are more “visual” than women when it comes to the way they get turned on. Men, we’re told, are visually aroused, whereas women just need a good sense of humor, and possibly a strong jaw, and they're on board.

This misguided, but pervasive belief can be linked to a host of other gender stereotypes which are further complicated by sexual politics and differences in social power. So arguments which should be challenged, such as the “fact” that men leer more than women do, that they objectify women’s bodies more than women do men’s bodies, and that they just can’t stop watching porn, are explained as somehow being related to a mix of genetics, patriarchy, and simple mindedness.

Challenging these ideas can be a monumental task. Researcher bias being what it is, science rarely offers support for these "counter-intuitive" ideas. What's worse, when research does start to complicate matters, the media, and even smart bloggers who should know better, distort the findings beyond recognition.

Nonetheless, a recent study published in the journal Brain Research is offering the first preliminary but important evidence to dispel the age old myth that visual imagery is more important to men than it is to women. And it's worth considering without hyperbole.

http://sexuality.about.com/b/2006/06/19/new-brain-research-challenges-the-myth-that-men-are-more-visual-than-women.htm

____________________

men are not more stimulated and i always thought that was a crock. but, i do like your post, minus the possible conspiracy. once women had the freedom, getting over the hangups we were having a lot of fun. along the way though, our sexuality became more about giving it over to the guy instead of us owning our own sexuality. i think that is what pisses me off the most. guys certainly dont hand their sexuality to the man. they hold on tight and own it. good for them. but, women are suppose to perform for the men, never allowed to own her sexuality

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:19 PM

84. in a world without porno, nightingales would belch

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:39 PM

99. ***

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #99)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:46 PM

105. Oooooo...they're gonna be alerting that! Hah-hah...I've already served on one jury on this

thread; the way things are going in it right now it looks like a good number of DU'ers will be summoned to such duty before all's said and done!

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #99)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 11:35 AM

150. You porn obsessed misogynistic objectifier maniac!

 

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:39 PM

100. How can watching porn be "misogynist"?

The porn I watch has absolutely nothing to do with hating women but has everything to do with ogling men!

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:44 PM

103. I like porn

 

but I want to appear self-righteous on a progressive message board. What do I do?

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:58 PM

109. Bumping for more discussion.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 08:55 AM

115. I would imagine also that if one doesn't like criticism of porn

I would imagine also that if one doesn't like criticism of porn, one should not read it.


Six of one and half a dozen of the other...

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 09:16 AM

117. ok Jerky McPornhead



but in all seriousness, there's a difference between "regular" porn, which is basically taping people having sex, and the heinous shit that involves choking, puking, poo, shit like that. they make some pretty sick shit.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #117)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:10 AM

120. THANK YOU! That is what I've been trying to say, that SOME of that stuff is really women-hating,

And I think that particular porn (while I wouldn't go so far as to ban it) might be having a bad effect on society.

I do think that porn drives trends in sex. I think that the reason anal sex is done so prevalently now as opposed to, say, in the 50's and 60's, has to do with trends in porn.

What bothers me is the idea that if the "sick shit" becomes popular too just like anal has, that women will be expected to submit to that, too....

Because I can tell you there are a whole lot of women out there that I've listened to on message boards, who give in to the pressure to do anal, who don't actually like it, and find it uncomfortable or even painful.

Now, we could chalk that up to a failure on the part of women, sure. Many of us are too eager to please, too eager to give up ourselves and our happiness for the sake of getting a man's approval. I know I was certainly that way in my youth. And I guess we only have ourselves to blame if others take advantage of our lack of boundaries.

But some of that "sick shit" type porn - how would you feel if your daughter were pressured into doing that stuff for her boyfriend...not because she wanted to, but because she feared she would lose him to another girl if she didn't?

I guess one of the problems is that so many young women are raised in this society, to give far too much of themselves away, to devalue themselves. The only person who matters, is the male, in that world view.

I'm just thinking down the road...you know, boyfriends pressuring their girlfriends to let them have intercourse with their urethra....can't imagine how that won't cause permanent physical harm.

I'm not asking for this stuff to be banned. I'm asking for you guys to just THINK about what is out there, is that how you would like your mother, your daughter, your sister, to be treated?

If it isn't, using social pressure here, could you please consider consuming somewhat less misogynistic porn?

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Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:28 AM

132. I won't hold my breath for you to give a shit but....

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"Things are getting more and more demeaning towards women. It's degrading. It's very, very violent.""I sit there everyday and I sew up anal tears and anal prolapse and the physical conditions of what people are putting their bodies through is getting very, very far away from sexuality as we know it." - "Doctor" Sharon Mitchell, Adult Industry Medical (AIM)

"My first scene was one of the worst experiences of my life. It was very scary. It was a very rough scene. My agent didn't let me know ahead of time... I did it and I was crying and they didn't stop. It was really violent. He was hitting me. It hurt. It scared me more than anything. They wouldn't stop. They just kept rolling."
"Drugs are huge. They're using viagra. It's unnatural. The girls will be on xanax and vicodin." ~~~~~
-Sierra Sinn

"I didnt want to feel the pain of penetration from an over average sized man, being told to freeze in a position until the camera man was happy with his shots was very painful. I had peoples body fluids forced on my face or anywhere else the producer pleased and I had to accept it or else no pay. Sometimes you would get to a gig and the producer would change what the scene was supposed to be to something more intense and again if you didn't like it, too bad, you did it or no pay." ~~~~~
-Elizabeth Rollings

"When you suffer from childhood sexual abuse or were severely abused as a child, you usually repress those memories. You are unable to say, 'I am doing this because I was abused as a child and this is all I know how to do. This is all I know how to feel.' I think a lot of the women are in denial and they don't realize what post-traumatic stress disorder is. You either totally go a whole different direction and turn your life around and get as far away from that abuse as you can – or you re-live the experience, and a lot of these women are re-living what they know how to feel."
- ex-porn performer Carol Smith, in Not For Sale

" Howard (Stern) asked me if I'd ever been molested or abused. It was the one question I wasn't prepared for." 'No', I told Howard, in answer to his question. I lied like a rug. I wasn't ready to tell anybody about any of this (being gang raped, beaten and left for dead), and I certainly wasn't ready to deal with Howard's reaction. I didnąt want anyone to think that I was in the business because I was a victim." (Pgs. 391 and 395)
- Jenna Jameson, in "How to Make Love Like a Porn Star"

" Step One: Teenager becomes a model. Reason ­ Like all teenagers, she thinks she's special.
Step Two: Teenager starts dating a tattoo artist and biker. Reason ­ He's older, badder, and allegedly wiser.
Step Three: Teenager becomes a stripper. Reason ­ Work, money, and approval of boyfriend.
Step Four: Teenager starts modeling nude. Reason ­ It's just like real modeling, except with the stripping added in.
Step Five: Teenager starts acting in soft-core all-female adult movies. Reason ­ Revenge.
-Jameson, page 126

"Most girls get their first experience in gonzo films – in which they’re taken to a crappy studio apartment in Mission Hills and penetrated in every hole possible by some abusive asshole who thinks her name is Bitch. And these girls, some of whom have the potential to become major stars in the industry, go home afterward and pledge never to do it again because it was such a terrible experience.”
-Jameson

"I went through more heartbreaks and became suicidal. I was taken to the hospital for panic attacks. I tried to overdose on xanax, strangle myself, and cut my wrists but not nearly deep enough. I was too scared of the pain."
-Crissy Moran

"I hung out with a lot of people in the Adult industry, everybody from contract girls to gonzo actresses. Everybody has the same problems. Everybody is on drugs. It's an empty lifestyle trying to fill up a void.
"I became horribly addicted to heroin and crack. I overdosed at least 3 times, had tricks pull knives on me, have been beaten half to death."
-Becca Brat

"Guys punching you in the face. You have semen from many guys all over your face, in your eyes. You get ripped. Your insides can come out of you. It's never ending."
-Jersey Jaxin

"When I arrived to the set I expected to do a vaginal girl boy scene. But during the scene with a male porn star, he forced himself anally into me and would not stop. I yelled at him to stop and screamed 'No' over and over but he would not stop. The pain became too much and I was in shock and my body went limp. I couldn’t fight him off anymore. After the scene, they wouldn’t give me a ride home. I called a taxi and went to a medical clinic to check me out due to the severe pain I was in. A day later I received a phone call from Vince to keep my mouth shut about the rape. He threatened me that I didn’t know who I was messing with and that his edited footage of what happened would prove me a liar. When I went to Red Light District to get my check, I was only paid for vaginal, not the anal rape. The anal scene was so traumatizing that I hid out for six weeks. "
-Corina Taylor

"After only 30 movies I caught two sexually transmitted diseases. Herpes, a non-curable disease and HPV, which led to cervical cancer where I had to have half of my cervix removed. Porn destroyed my life."
-Roxy

"I had bodily fluids all over my face that had to stay on my face for ten minutes. The abuse and degradation was rough. I sweated and was in deep pain. On top of the horrifying experience, my whole body ached, and I was irritable the whole day. The director didn't really care how I felt; he only wanted to finish the video."
-Genevieve

“I like to hide — hide everything, you know?... And I'm not happy... I don't like myself at all... My whole entire body feels it when I'm doing it and... I feel so — so gross.”
-Belladonna

"I honestly felt that if I had to have another strange man in my face, his hands (God knows where they’ve been) all over me, him calling me his “baby”, and having to exude some sort of forged passion for the world to see, I probably would’ve exploded. And what would’ve been stuck to the walls would’ve probably been nothing. Just pieces of skin, bone, the brain of a robot, and what would have been left of a once huge and warm heart."
-Ashlynn Brooke

“People in the porn industry are numb to real life and are like zombies walking around. The abuse that goes on in this industry is completely ridiculous. The way these young ladies are treated is totally sick and brainwashing. I left due to the trauma I experienced even though I was there only a short time."
-Jessie Jewels

"As for myself, I ended up paying the price from working in the porn industry. In 2006, not even 9 months in, I caught a moderate form of dysplasia of the cerviwhich is a form of HPV, a sexually transmitted disease) and later that day, I also found out I was pregnant. I had only 1 choice which was to abort the baby during my first month. It was extremely painful emotionally and physically."
-Tamra Toryn

"I already had a past history of abuse by men, including my alcoholic father who beat my mother daily and then shot himself in the head in front of me when I was nine years old." "My first movie I was treated very rough by 3 guys. They pounded on me, gagged me with their penises, and tossed me around like I was a ball! I was sore, hurting and could barely walk. My insides burned and hurt so badly. I could barely pee and to try to have a bowel movement was out of the question. I was hurting so bad from the physical abuse from these 3 male porn stars! I swore I’d never do porn again..."
-Alexa Milano

“For masturbation videos, unsanitized sex toys were offered as props. On set, if a girl was having reservations, or second thoughts, the producers would become very belligerent. I remember during one particular production, this girl, who was new to porn, came with her boyfriend. She couldn't have been any older than 19 or 20. When it was time for her scene, she said she wasn't sure she wanted to do it. She was very distraught, and nervous, but the producers and her boyfriend just kept egging her on. They told her how sexy she was, and eventually became very irate, telling her how she shouldn't be there wasting their time if she wasn't serious. Most producers have absolutely no patience with the girls, even though being on set is a very traumatizing experience. There is no room for compassion in the porn industry.”
-Ashley Brooks

"Well, I grew up in a small town in Ohio , and when I was 10 years old, I was raped by a high school boy that was about 16. And from there, my mother had an older boyfriend that molested me, so my entire childhood was really shaped by these really traumatic sexual experiences, which ultimately led me to the streets of Hollywood and to porn."
-Traci Lords, in a Fox News interview

"(Traci Lords) makes abundantly clear how easily the internal struggles of any sweet, curious young girl can be manipulated. The product of a broken home with a brutal father and a weary mother, the one-time Nora Kuzma is raped at age 10 but her 16-year-old crush: 'How could I deny it?' she writes of her resulting self-image. 'I was a whore.'"
-From a review of Traci Lordsą book Underneath it All

" Half the women I knew outside porn had been sexually abused as little girls, so it only stood to reason that the statistics might apply in porn as well. One study of the general population claims it is two out of three. The puzzling refrain I'd begun hearing from porn outsiders: "There are plenty of people with histories of sexual abuse who didn't grow up to be porn stars." That's missing the point: The ones who did become sex workers were abused. All of them, that's my guess."
-From Ian Gittler, A Diary of Six Years in the Life of a Porn Star. Rolling Stone October 14, 1999

"Although the money was as good as promised — $1,000 to $2,000 for an eight-hour shoot — life on the porn set was degrading and dangerous. And, it was spiritually killing her. "I went through the motions, but I was dead inside," she says.
In despair, she tried to commit suicide by slashing her wrists, driving drunk and overdosing on drugs. "
-Shelley Lubben

"Degradation drives the business. … There are things going on right now that are way over the line." - Khan Tusion, porn producer

"Where else but in porn can you see a guy who just met a girl that day crack her around, choke her out." - Brandon Iron, porn producer

"The girls get torn up like usual." - Vince Vouyer, porn producer

"I find myself not that much unlike the slaves and slave traders of some 400 years ago. I participate in the most heinous of ALL trades- THE BUYING AND SELLING OF HUMAN FLESH. I trade my own flesh for monetary compensation and I sell the flesh of others for the same." - Lexington Steele, porn performer/producer

"This industry is full of people that hate - literally HATE women." - Julie Meadows, former porn star

Here are the facts about the not so glamorous porn industry.

• 36 porn stars died that we know of from HIV, suicide, homicide and drugs between 2007 and 2010.
• 66% of porn performers have Herpes, a non-curable disease.
• 2,396 cases of Chlamydia and 1,389 cases of Gonorrhea reported among performers since 2004.
• Over 100 straight and gay performers died from AIDS.
• 26 cases of HIV reported by Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation (AIM), since 2004.
• 70% of sexually transmitted infections in the porn industry occur in females according to County of Los Angeles Public Health.
• Chlamydia and Gonorrhea among performers is 10x greater than that of LA County 20-24 year olds.
• The largest group viewing online pornography is ages 12 to 17.
• More than 11 million teens regularly view porn online.
• There are 4.2 million pornographic websites, 420 million pornographic web pages, and 68 million daily search engine requests.
• 50% of men and 20% of women in the church regularly view porn.
• Of 1351 pastors surveyed, 54% had viewed Internet pornography within the last year.
• Of all known child abuse domains, 48 percent are housed in the United States.
• At the 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, a gathering of the nation’s divorce lawyers, attendees
revealed that 58% of their divorces were a result of a spouse looking at excessive amounts of pornography online.
• Child pornography is one of the fastest growing businesses online, and the content is becoming much worse. In 2008, Internet
Watch Foundation found 1,536 individual child abuse domains.
• Worldwide pornography revenue in 2006 was $97.06 billion. Of that, approximately $13 billion was in the United States.


Dead Porn star Memorial Video

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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #132)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:25 PM

138. Thank you for this. I wonder how many reading this

will experience pleasure instead of discomfort and sadness?

A fair number I would venture to say.

At least, that's been my experience of the world.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #138)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 01:58 AM

141. I'm sorry you've seen a darker side of the world.

Sadly, many women have lived with undeserved burdens but i promise you that the dark isn't all that there is... Thank you for your courage and bravery, treading into a discussion that likely has high consequence for you. I respect that a lot.

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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #141)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 02:54 AM

142. thank you.

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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #132)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:18 PM

155. LOL, can you guys find anything that is not from a fundy website?

a humanitarian outreach and international movement will respond to needs of people who are victims of pornography and sex trafficking. Our mission is to share the good news of Jesus Christ and to meet human needs in His name without discrimination. We also combat community deterioration due to pornography and sex trafficking through attempts to educate legislation about the illegally operating porn industry, to educate the general public and to toughen laws to protect women and children from modern-day slavery. This outreach is motivated by the amazing love of God.


Latest Blog Entry, SATAN'S FINAL FRONTIER - THE SEX INDUSTRY

http://www.thepinkcross.org/satan%E2%80%99s-final-frontier%E2%80%94-sex-industry

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #155)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:32 PM

157. Good catch, snooper!

I suspected she was probably getting that from a whackadoodle fundy site, but trying to research something like that on my phone is a major pain in the ass!

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #155)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 02:37 AM

160. Are you suggesting that a person's religious beliefs eliminate their right to legal and humane

treatment? Are you also suggesting that a person who has faith has no justifiable right to any cause? You do realize there are a large number of religious liberals and DU members correct?

If you look at the testimonies in my post you will see ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR being described. Illegal behavior that amounts to rape. When a woman...ANY WOMAN...says No, Stop and stopping does not happen and she is penetrated it is RAPE. Are you using a prejudice to justifying rape?

Much of the stuff that i posted comes from the following www.antipornography.org

It says directly on their homepage that they are non-religious.

Be careful your projections are telling. Discounting the potential suffering of others due to prejudicial belief that you are better than another is very telling indeed.

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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #132)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:26 PM

156. Pray the Spirit of Pornography over California and our whole country be cast down in Jesus name.



I'm spending too much time at this site now LOL

http://www.thepinkcross.org/page/prayer



Pray for our country to turn its heart back to Jesus Christ whose principles this country was originally founded upon.

LOL

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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #132)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 05:57 AM

161. It's the same stuff that's on Shelley Lubben's sites (a religiou right con).

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Response to Waiting For Everyman (Reply #161)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:33 AM

163. Because it is a compilation of quotes from other sources and from a variety of people.

It boggles the mind that i must explain, to the raging porn fans here, that not all women quoted will be sharing the same religious beliefs as ONE OF the people who compiled their quotes on a fucking website. Damn...it hurts sometimes.

Seriously, this isn't that difficult.

The fact that you're all content to overlook and dismiss rape and assault and coercion, which is documented in the testimonies "quoted", is really disgusting. You get off to images of emotionally dead suicidally depressed, girls who are, more often than not, drugged and inebriated before being assaulted.

Women who are penetrated without consent are raped. Women who are intoxicated or drugged are not giving consent, women who are emotionally or physically threatened or coerced are not giving consent and silence is not giving consent.

On occasion, you're getting off to women BEING RAPED. And instead of acknowledging this fact and actually making an effort to ensure sure all porn is made legally and protects the women involved and their right to actually CHOOSE, you'd all rather dance around and avoid the issues these women ARE SAYING that they're facing. Really quite sad and pathetic that you'd all rather jack off to women who are saying that they're being hurt than actually trying to protect them and demand that the industry provides truly safe and consensual environments.


Hey, as long as it isn't your daughter, sister, girlfriend, wife...it's all good, eh? I mean a man's gotta get off and that, it would seem is much more important than a woman being able to shit properly for the rest of her life. Be sure and cry about the unfairness of misogynist labeling while you play games of "fundie" kickball over the stories of young girls torn rectums and hemorrhaging vaginas.

Really gross



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Response to FedUpWithIt All (Reply #163)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:37 AM

165. The sites being quoted are faking the information -- you care about THAT or you don't.

You didn't even watch the videos I posted, did you?

And for your information, I couldn't care less about porn either way. I'm neither for it, nor against it. So save the boo hooing. What disgusts me about this issue before I go anywhere else with it, is fraud.

Next, I know a whole lot about the religious right, and they're no better than the porn industry. If fact, they have a lot in common.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 11:42 AM

134. If you don't like my opinions don't agree with me

But I'm still entitled to my opinions, especially in a public forum. If I want to state with as much appeal to reason as possible that porn objectifies and dehumanizes all parties producing and viewing it than I am allowed. Just because you disagree with that doesn't mean I have to silence myself or endure insults that claim I'm not smart enough to know what is or isn't pro-sex (as if watching instead of doing is pro-sex).

If you want to trumpet to the world how much you rely on impersonal viewings of people you care nothing for as human beings serving no purpose except to provoke a bio-chemical reaction you are certainly free to do so but please remember that you're just acting on a need for a hormonal rush rather than actually making the decision of a reasoned individual. Let's not kid ourselves. That alone is the single biggest commentary to sway the issue.

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 03:14 PM

136. WTF?? Really? From the guy who started a thread that anyone who doesn't like porn is anti-woman?

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Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #136)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 04:52 PM

137. porn to him is like guns to the 2nd amendment folks...

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Wed Jun 20, 2012, 06:36 PM

140. • Child pornography is one of the fastest growing businesses online, and the content is becoming

• Child pornography is one of the fastest growing businesses online, and the content is becoming much worse. In 2008, Internet
Watch Foundation found 1,536 individual child abuse domains.



(Posted for those who say child pornography really isn't a problem) (And those who scoffed at my saying, it was the fastest growing category of on-line porn.)

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:14 AM

143. .

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Response to Taverner (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 03:33 AM

144. Makes you wonder what these people do masturbate too?

 

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Response to Sea-Dog (Reply #144)

Thu Jun 21, 2012, 09:10 PM

159. are you really telling everyone on the board you can not jerk off unless you have porn? really?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #159)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 06:14 AM

162. are you really telling everyone you use the fundy videos you spread around DU? really?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #159)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:39 AM

166. what do you masturbate too?

 

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Response to Sea-Dog (Reply #144)

Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:45 AM

167. some people have sex with actual other people

and don't need to masturbate anymore, like when they were horny, pimply teenagers who couldn't get laid.

and some people, when they do masturbate, have actual imaginations and fantasies of their own! imagine that.

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