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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:04 PM

All about the 'bath salts' that aren't really for your bath

We've all heard about the infamous "Causeway Cannibal."

Rudy Eugene earned the name after using his bare teeth to rip apart Ronald Poppo's face on a Miami causeway before being shot and killed by a police officer on May 26.

If the police are right, bath salts may have sparked the attack reported around the world.

These aren't your regular bath salts. You won't find them at Bed Bath & Beyond. And you wouldn't plop them into a hot bath after a tiring day at the office.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/health/fl-bath-salts-20120616,0,2326914.story

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Reply All about the 'bath salts' that aren't really for your bath (Original post)
DainBramaged Jun 2012 OP
Neoma Jun 2012 #1
little elvis Jun 2012 #16
tiny elvis Jun 2012 #20
eppur_se_muova Jun 2012 #2
EOTE Jun 2012 #7
eppur_se_muova Jun 2012 #12
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #10
eppur_se_muova Jun 2012 #13
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #17
DirkGently Jun 2012 #18
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #3
Warpy Jun 2012 #4
ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #6
eppur_se_muova Jun 2012 #14
WillyT Jun 2012 #15
Romulox Jun 2012 #5
Erose999 Jun 2012 #8
AngryAmish Jun 2012 #9
JonLP24 Jun 2012 #11
roman7 Jun 2012 #19

Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:10 PM

1. This scares me.

Never, ever, ever going to buy anything named bath salts now.

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Response to Neoma (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:08 PM

16. That's okay...

 

You weren't using it anyhow... (Might try a new expression, Cupcake! )

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Response to little elvis (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:04 PM

20. i rebuke you

you dishonor miniature elvishdom

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:28 PM

2. I'm glad they're calling it "fake" cocaine.

Makes it a little clearer it's not the same thing as real (natural or synthetic) cocaine, and may well be more dangerous.

Unfortunately, the grossly misleading term "synthetic marijuana" has caught on with the press, to describe something which contains chemicals never found in marijuana (or any natural source). "Fake" marijuana would set off more alarm bells -- why would users of the real thing be interested in a phony imitation ?

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:52 PM

7. "synthetic marijuana" has become the catchall term for "synthetic cannabinoid".

They often act upon the same mechanisms as THC (found in marijuana), but they do it in a much different way and they're far, far more potent than smoking regular bud (which is typically only a few percent THC). The problem with synthetic cannabinoids is self-titration. A person can smoke from a spliff and get pretty much as high as one wants to without worrying about overdoing it much. That same person can take a relatively small hit of some JWH-XXX and become way more stoned than they had planned, it can even induce panic attacks. But so long as the government is intent on keeping weed illegal, you can expect chemists to always be making replacements, the bulk of which are more harmful.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:51 PM

12. Unlike the natural stuff, imitators can kill ...

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:07 PM

10. They should just call it "spice" or whatever

but they're synthetic cannabinoids, they were originally created for research purposes only when science discovered we have cannabinoid receptors in our brain. Now this is referring to the JWH or whatever that's been banned. I have no idea what the current stuff is made out of since it is largely sold under the name "Potpourri" w/ no labels whatsoever telling you what's in it.

I don't really have a problem with the synthetic label since it is synthetic which doesn't imply it has the same ingredients. The recreational stuff was originally created to mimic effects of cannabis while these bath salts are stimulants, not intended to mimic effects of other specific stimulants but rather a stimulant of it's own. Hope that makes sense? The stuff for the cannabinoid receptors in the brain is clearly going for the cannabis "feel". I'd actually have more a problem with synthetic or "fake" cocaine since that isn't what the drug is designed for but should be called "bath salts" or mephedrone, or high powered stimulant that you can buy at head shops.

Anyways, this highlights a problem w/ having drugs illegal. Users go for the more dangerous, not a lot of research behind them, but legal drugs to avoid detection rather that be through urine or LE.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:07 PM

13. Actually, a "synthetic" chemical is identical to a natural one.

As long as you are talking about single, pure compounds, there is no distinction between the natural and the synthetic compound. The problem is, that in more colloquial usage, this precise use of terminology is not followed by most people -- as the advertisers well know. Plus, most people seem to think of the ingredients just being mixed together as "making" "synthetic" compounds, when synthesis is actually the creation of a compound having exactly the right molecular structure through chemical reactions -- not at all as simple as mixing ingredients to make a food recipe. So the average buyer of "synthetic" MJ or cocaine doesn't really "get" the difference, and that's dangerous.

Through misleading advertising, naive people are being lulled into believing they're getting something that's "just like" MJ or cocaine when it's really something quite different -- maybe it produces some of the same results, but it has side effects that DO NOT come with the natural product. See links in http://www.democraticunderground.com/101438262#post2





ETA: In case it's not clear, I'm in full agreement w/that last para, and think that's pretty much what I said in an earlier post. Supressing MJ is causing "collateral damage" as people try to evade the law by using what they think is a safe imitator of MJ. Stupid WOD.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:11 PM

17. Forgive me for I have a headache so it is hard for me to understand things right now

I point out that synthetic marijuana is incorrect but synthetic cannabinoids is correct. For research purposes only it was created to study the cannabinoid receptors in the brain so they "synthesized analogues and metabolites of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018 I know it is Wiki but I did read an article with the chemist interviewed and he recommended not using Spice, primarily because there is no long-term studies and it was never intended to be used recreationally. Back to the point, but by identical, you mean exactly the same or a chemical for the same intended effects for the same part of the brain.

I'm not sure it was coined by advertisers, all I ever say was packages labeled "Spice" "K2" & "Potpourri". I think synthetic cannabis is incorrect but synthetic cannibinoids may be correct? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding you, I've had a headache for a few days now.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:28 PM

18. The first few stories called "bath salts" "a new form of LSD"


That seemed pretty off-base, given there's no apparent similarity between these chemicals and LSD whatsoever.

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:35 PM

3. Real "bath salts" are magnesium sulfate, also know as "epsom salts". And boric acid?...

 

I just found out that I can't buy boric acid from my pharmacy because "kids are using for something". It used to be in the eye drop area because a light solution is an old and reliable eye wash. I use it to kill ant colonies (and formerly roaches) - and that's all that's in the expensive brand product "No Roach". They moved it behind the counter a while ago but now they aren't even allowed to carry it. What the HELL could you use boric acid for as a way to get high?

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:46 PM

4. When you make the recreational drugs that are fairly kind to body systems

illegal, you end up with bathtub drugs like this shit.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:48 PM

6. Exactly. nt

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:11 PM

14. What I tried to say, but you are more succinct. nt

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:12 PM

15. Yep... That's How They Ended Up With Bathtub Gin During The Last Prohibition

Ironic, no ?




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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:48 PM

5. This is such BS. This is a LEGAL PRODUCT. Everybody knows Medical Marijuana is our #1 drug problem

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:56 PM

8. It seems that there might be a tinge of "reefer madness" to this. I've yet to read anything on


"bath salts" or "synthetic marijuana" that mentions their active ingredients.

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:59 PM

9. This is a little more informative


I agree it does have a whiff of reefer madness but this seems like bad stuff. Like PCP, which has been around for awhile and really, really evil stuff.

on edit I can't get the link thingyy to work, look up bath salts and spin magazine, they have a nice long article on the stuff and the people who use it

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Response to Erose999 (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:17 PM

11. Mephedrone is the primary found ingredient in "bath salts"

Wiki has a nice overview on the drug. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mephedrone

"Synthetic marijuana" is a little tough to tell since the government regularily bans compounds while chemists regularly come up with new recipes to be sold in packages w/ no labels. Here is some info on one of the earliest-JWH-018 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018

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Response to DainBramaged (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 07:27 PM

19. i`ll probably just keep smoken pot once inna while,

legal or not that other shit proby freak me out en stuff

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