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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:45 AM

GOP Sen. Rand Paul Warns That For-Profit Drone Lobby Is Seducing Congress

In an interview recorded last week with The Jerry Doyle Show, Paul explained that right before he went on national television to talk about his legislation, he received a phone call from lobbyists for drone manufacturers. He explained that Congress should be wary of this lobby because it is making money from the product it is telling lawmakers to vote in favor of:

PAUL: Interesting thing is, I went on CNN to announce this the other day even before I went on CNN and I think even before I went on CNN — we didn’t think we’d announced it anywhere — we got a call before we went on to CNN from a lobbyist for the people who sell drones wanting to have a talk with us, somehow the word got out pretty quickly that we were going to be saying something about limiting what drones could do. People do make money selling stuff like this, you have to be aware that the advice they’re giving to congressmen is not particularly dispassionate that it has something to do making money selling this drone technology. And so we do have to be worried about it.

Read more: http://www.republicreport.org/2012/gop-sen-rand-paul-warns-forprofit-drone-lobby-seducing-congress/

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:51 AM

1. Cue the faux freakout over the Pauls in order to defend abominable policy...

in 3,....2,.....1....

Fuck Rand Paul; therefore, fuck legitimate concerns about the drone lobby!





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Response to woo me with science (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:49 AM

3. Rand doesn't care because he's already bankrolled by Big Coal

So he gets to make his fake "principled" stance for the public...

Yes, he has a point, but he's still a sanctimonious hypocrite of the worst type...If the drones were made in Kentucky he'd be the first one whoring for them...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:28 AM

5. I side with Paul here, and I dont believe he would advocate the drones wherever they were built.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:37 AM

6. Paul will do whatever his corporate overlords tell him

I may happen to agree with Paul on a random issue, but I'll never, ever "side" with him...

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:54 AM

2. So Randroid is just now realizing that lobbyists have nefarious agendas? Has anyone told him that


water is wet and that bears shit in the woods?

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:18 AM

4. Fuck Rand Paul!

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:54 AM

7. Rand Paul is despicable

I think that all his fellow Senators are not interested in the money spent on drones. This is playing into the cynicism that is rampant on both sides of the aisle. I would bet that even the most conservative Republican who supports increasing drone capacity is doing so based on the view that this technology achieves some military goals with less loss of American lives. For many, even a CERTAIN increase in non-American life would not change their support of something that saves American lives. (I am not arguing the morality here, but the fact that that is far different than what Paul is accusing them of.)

The REAL needed discussion on drones has to do with how they are used and whether the uses are for actions that Congress has approved and which are consistent with international law. I think that the point to start the questions on whether drones are a good part of the country's arsenal is to start this discussion accepting (for just this discussion) the country's military objectives. The question then is are they better or at least as good as the possible alternatives.

The questions then are things like do they really result in fewer attacks on the US or our allies and how precise the drone attacks are and a comparison of the amount of "collateral damage" with other alternatives. Lastly, no matter how precise the drones are, there is a question of how good the intelligence that triggers the use may be.

Rereading this - I need to add that I think there should be Congressional hearings that deal with both the specifics of places where we are at war or may go to war and hearings that are more general that attempt to relook at how America agrees to go to war. My point with drones - as it would be with any technology - is that the decisions on whether it is something that is ok to use should not be conflated with the question of whether we should be at war (or engaged militarily) at all.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:18 PM

8. Why would accepting objectives that I don't agree with, in a manner that I believe is

counter-productive be an acceptable place to start, much less a "good" one?

Based on what evidence in action would one accept that most Senators are not interested in money, especially the far right when every damn thing they do is not only about money but ensuring that the wealthy few have all resource control and every possible cent goes into their pockets on an ideological basis, even if it is horrendous for our country?

Lack of cynicism when dealing with our corporately captured, cowardly, rich man's club, out of touch, wealth worshiping Congress is willful stupidity. Insufficient cynicism when considering the motives of the TeaPubliKlans is deadly foolish. Casual acceptance of their "hearts" being in the right place and avarice either personally or for the predator class at large is a sign of questionable sanity considering the outcomes of their policies and the ever increasing doubling down.

What we need to do is shut down the program and stop to the proliferation around the world and especially at home.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:38 PM

10. That must be

"Lack of cynicism when dealing with our corporately captured, cowardly, rich man's club, out of touch, wealth worshiping Congress is willful stupidity. Insufficient cynicism when considering the motives of the TeaPubliKlans is deadly foolish. "

...the reason teabagger Senator Rand Paul endorsed Mitt "I want war with Iran" Romney.

I'm sure Paul is really concerned with a "for-profit" lobby "seducing Congress"

Rand, like his father, is a fucking joke. In fact, the comparison might be an insult to his father.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:11 PM

11. I offered no defense or support of Rand Paul. Always with the personalities and avoidance of issues

with you.

Paul's motivations have nothing to do with a very obvious and valid concern but you'd rather focus on him than the concern and further use him as a deflection for those concerns and to make him the face of them so they can go into file 13 for Democrats effectively making us supporters of this bullshit program and the corporations who profit from it.

I don't give a fuck what Rand Paul's motivations are, how is his statement incorrect?

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:45 PM

14. Well

"I offered no defense or support of Rand Paul. Always with the personalities and avoidance of issues with you. I don't give a fuck what Rand Paul's motivations are, how is his statement incorrect?"

...I don't "give a fuck" about Rand Paul's statements.

I mean, the Kochs opposed the Iraq war, and I have no problem saying, "fuck 'em."

Opportunistic pieces of shits are what they are.

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Response to TheKentuckian (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:14 PM

16. I was not meaning that we accept the policy decision that we should be at war

My point was that it is better not to conflate HOW and with what tools we fight the war with the decision of being at war itself. This was JUST to assess whether Paul's statement is fair or reasonable. The point was that many here do not agree with drones being used, but would also disagree with pilots flying bombing missions.

The lobbyists are selling a particular weapon. My point is that for many Senators the reason they would support them is that the alternative is more American soldiers die. (This is not all that different than the argument on the bomb being used on Japan - that it ended the war faster and Americans were saved.) I also did NOT say I agreed with this.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:19 PM

9. All lobbies "seduce" congress

That's their job.

-- Mal

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:42 PM

12. I hope I live to see the day lobbying for profitable interests...

 

Is punished with lifetime imprisonment.

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:43 PM

13. Cue DU's Libertarian Ron and Rand Paul defenders...nt

Sid

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Response to Report1212 (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:54 PM

15. republicans just drone on and on--they get paid extra????

Turtle man must be filthy rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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