Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
adigal (4,709 posts)
So GMAC, my mortgage company, declared bankruptcy
I have a call into our accountant to see if the payments we send will still be safe and applied to our account properly, and if our escrow is protected. (We have to send $$ each month, and they pay the property taxes.) My husband laughs, and says, "Well, since they don't have to pay their bills, we don't have to pay our mortgage anymore," but I know that is not true! I am tempted, though, to ask them to provide the mortgage paperwork showing that we owe them for the mortgage, since they were not the original company we worked with.
Has this happened to anyone here, and how did you deal with it? Were you protected? Thanks,
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18 replies, 10370 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| adigal | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| Ezlivin | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| adigal | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| Liberal_in_LA | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| Robb | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| Raven | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| oldhippie | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| Raven | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| adigal | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| SoCalDem | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| adigal | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| tammywammy | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| melm00se | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| adigal | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| Javaman | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| ljm2002 | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| FarCenter | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| adigal | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| FarCenter | Jun 2012 | #18 |
Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:58 AM
Ezlivin (8,020 posts)
1. We're in the same boat, but
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Last edited Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:58 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) we only have a few months left on our mortgage.
So very close! I am keeping a close eye on what happens so I don't end up paying off our mortgage only to discover some "hidden" trick that means I don't get the title to my house. |
Response to Ezlivin (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:10 AM
adigal (4,709 posts)
4. Yes, that is what I am afraid of
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That we will send payments, and they will go to paying off GMAC's debt rather than our debt. And I believe this can happen in today's Corporate Ownership of all Americans.
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Response to Ezlivin (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:07 PM
Liberal_in_LA (28,713 posts)
17. keep close watch and careful records! congrats on paying off your mortgage
Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:59 AM
Robb (38,357 posts)
2. We had a WAMU mortgage when Chase bought them.
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Not quite the same, of course. Trying time for sure; listen to your accountant.
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Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:06 AM
Raven (11,053 posts)
3. I had a client once whose mortgage company
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just disappeared. My client could not get any information about what to do about his mortgage payments and so he just stopped trying. He didn't set up an escrow account for the payments, didn't contact a lawyer, did nothing. Five years later the guy who owned the mortgage company reappeared and demanded all the payments plus interest and penalties. Needless to say, the case went to court and was finally settled. In your case there may be a Bankruptcy Trustee to whom payments can be made but you should see a lawyer so you know exactly what to do.
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Response to Raven (Reply #3)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:12 AM
oldhippie (1,430 posts)
12. How was it settled?
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Needless to say, the case went to court and was finally settled.
Who won? |
Response to oldhippie (Reply #12)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 11:32 AM
Raven (11,053 posts)
15. Well, I'd say that it ended fairly...
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my client had to make all the back mortgage payments but the mortgage guy did not get any late fees or penalties. My client should have seen a lawyer and set up some sort of escrow account as soon as he realized what was happening. Of course, both sides were out legal fees but, under the circumstances, I'm not sure that could have been avoided.
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Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:12 AM
adigal (4,709 posts)
5. Thanks for the info
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I want to make sure we do the right thing, even if GMAC isn't.
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Response to adigal (Reply #5)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:24 AM
SoCalDem (99,752 posts)
6. Perhaps you could call the property tax people
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Last edited Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:24 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) and make the payments directly to them...and to the homeowners insurance if that's part of your escrow account.
I would do that..and then make payments that only included p & i.. Have you though about doing a refi elsewhere? |
Response to SoCalDem (Reply #6)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:29 AM
adigal (4,709 posts)
7. That' s a good idea, especially because we are paying about 8%
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It would be smart to refi now, I think. Thanks!!!
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Response to adigal (Reply #7)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:28 AM
tammywammy (18,445 posts)
14. If your mortgage is at 8% you should definitely look at refinancing. n/t
Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:43 AM
melm00se (2,427 posts)
8. Does GMAC
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hold your mortgage or are they just the servicer?
If they hold the mortgage, then your mortgage is considered an asset of the (now bankrupt) corporation and may be sold off (like any other asset) as part of the bankruptcy. If they service your loan (collect the payments and forward them on to the holder of the mortgage, like Freddie or Fannie) then I might contact them to see what their advice is. |
Response to melm00se (Reply #8)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 09:54 AM
adigal (4,709 posts)
9. They hold the mortgage, they are not just a servicer n/t
Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:06 AM
Javaman (40,665 posts)
10. I would ask for the paperwork.
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There are hundreds of stories of mortgage companies going under and having no documents proving they are the holders of the mortgages.
I wouldn't ask, I would demand. |
Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:10 AM
ljm2002 (7,301 posts)
11. I happened to me...
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...right after I had refinanced and had a new place to send the mortgage payment to.
I sent it via automatic deposit, and it did not post. I called, and the number was disconnected. I sent a check via overnight mail, and it was returned to me. Finally I called the local company who had handled the refi, and they said "Oh, yeah, they went bankrupt. Just wait until you get a notice from the new lender and send it to them." Well that's exactly what happened, and all my escrow payments were made as planned. I got to thinking, though. Given that the place went bankrupt, that means the place that bought the mortgage paper paid pennies on the dollar. But none of that got passed on to me, the hapless homebuyer. Oh well, c'est la vie. I'm doing a short sale and buying a new, cheaper house for cash with my retirement money. No mortgage or rent payments, Social Security to live on, anything extra I make is gravy. YMMV -- in particular, you should talk to someone and make sure that your escrow payments are being made. I think I may have just been lucky in that department. |
Response to adigal (Original post)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 10:15 AM
FarCenter (13,089 posts)
13. It is in Chapter 11 reorganization.
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http://www.gmacmortgage.com/ has a link to
http://www.kccllc.net/rescap which has information about the bankruptcy and a link to http://www.kccllc.net/content.asp?C=5318 "Hotlines and Frequently Asked Questions:" http://www.kccllc.net/documents/1212020/1212020120607000000000008.pdf says May 14, 2012 Dear Homeowner, As you may have read or heard, Residential Capital, LLC (ResCap), recently announced that it and its subsidiaries, including GMAC Mortgage, are restructuring under Chapter 11. Although you may not be familiar with our name, ResCap is the parent company of GMAC Mortgage, which services your mortgage. As servicer, GMAC Mortgage collects and keeps track of your mortgage payments and ensures that they are applied to your account and properly distributed to the lenders and investors who own your loan. The restructuring of ResCap and GMAC Mortgage does not change your obligations as a mortgage borrower. As such, you must continue to make your scheduled mortgage payments on time and in full to the address listed on your monthly account statement. While nothing has changed in relation to the amount of your mortgage payments or where you send those payments, we understand you may have some questions. Please feel free to contact our toll-free Homeowner Hotline at (888) 926-3479 between 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. EST, or refer to http://www.kccllc.net/rescap for additional information regarding ResCap’s Chapter 11 reorganization. If you have specific questions about your loan, please reach out to the customer service number listed on your monthly statement. In the coming weeks, you will receive a Notice of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Cases, Meeting of Creditors, and Deadlines in the mail. No action is required on your part, related to this restructuring. For our part, everyone on the GMAC Mortgage team is committed to providing the same high level of service and responsiveness we’ve always shown to the homeowners whose mortgage loans are entrusted to us. We look forward to helping you continue to build equity and value in your home. Sincerely, Thomas Marano Chief Executive Officer Residential Capital, LLC |
Response to FarCenter (Reply #13)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:06 PM
adigal (4,709 posts)
16. Thank you - we did get a few letters from them
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but I am not really trusting them in regard to a lot of things.
I think I am going to demand my original paperwork. |
Response to adigal (Reply #16)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:30 PM
FarCenter (13,089 posts)

