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Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:11 AM

Do you consider this photo offensive? I always see right wingers complaining about it




I think this photo of Bush signing the American Flag with a pen is more offensive.

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Reply Do you consider this photo offensive? I always see right wingers complaining about it (Original post)
Tony_FLADEM Jun 2012 OP
earthside Jun 2012 #1
tammywammy Jun 2012 #6
wandy Jun 2012 #21
UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #30
SoutherDem Jun 2012 #2
Booster Jun 2012 #3
ibegurpard Jun 2012 #4
Webster Green Jun 2012 #5
Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #7
TheWraith Jun 2012 #8
Tx4obama Jun 2012 #9
MADem Jun 2012 #10
unblock Jun 2012 #11
Scootaloo Jun 2012 #12
patrice Jun 2012 #15
SaB2012 Jun 2012 #13
patrice Jun 2012 #14
Tony_FLADEM Jun 2012 #17
Tony_FLADEM Jun 2012 #17
Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #16
Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #23
Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #25
Art_from_Ark Jun 2012 #28
HiPointDem Jun 2012 #27
cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #17
Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2012 #18
jaysunb Jun 2012 #22
whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #24
Skip Intro Jun 2012 #26
RKP5637 Jun 2012 #29
JI7 Jun 2012 #31
piratefish08 Jun 2012 #32

Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:16 AM

1. Yes, it is offensive.

This country is not a monarchy ... we don't put photos of the current 'leader' on coins and stamps and documents.

It isn't flag desecration because it is not an 'official' U.S. flag, but for progressive egalitarians like most Democrats, to put the image of any President on a facsimile of the flag like this is against what we stand for -- democracy, the common folk, no man above the law, etc.

It is in poor taste if nothing else.

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Response to earthside (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:19 AM

6. Agreed. n/t

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:29 AM

21. I'll second that agree. n/t

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Response to wandy (Reply #21)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:40 AM

30. I'll third that agree.

 

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:16 AM

2. This is just me

I don't like the U.S. Flag to be depicted in any way but the way it really is.
I am against signing a flag, making it into a necktie, tee shirt, coat, beach towel, hat or replace part of it to make a message.

That said, I am one of the few who feel this way. It is now normal to see the flag made in to every form of clothing thinkable, and many are "redesigning the flag" so is this one any worst than other? NO!

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:17 AM

3. To me both are offensive. There's no need for the Obama flag & Dubya was just stupid.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:17 AM

4. never seen it before

and frankly I don't have a problem with either one.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:18 AM

5. It's wierd.

I can see why right-wingers would hate it. I wouldn't want to see a picture of the chimp replacing the stars on old glory.

Yeah, it's so lame that I think it's offensive.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:22 AM

7. Offensive? No.

There is nothing offensive about that photo. It's tactless, to be sure, but not offensive.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:23 AM

8. I honestly don't care, really.

As much as I support Obama, I wouldn't support or promote such an image. I wouldn't find it offensive, either. It's pixels on a screen--if you're so easily offended, you're going to be offended a LOT over the course of your life.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:27 AM

9. In 2010 caught on video - Sarah Palin signing a flag

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:27 AM

10. It's not offensive, it's just not very good.

The picture of the POTUS is unflattering, the flag is lumpy and wrinkled, and it doesn't move me.

I was a sticker for flag etiquette in my earnest youth; I've given the fuck up now. When people wear the flag as a thong, or line their jackets up to their stinky armpits with it, it's just...pointless to carp about it. I'm a fogey, out-of-step with the rest of society on this measure, and it's just not worth continuing to rail about it.

I always regarded proper display of the flag as akin to giving up your seat for the elderly lady on the subway, or holding the door for someone encumbered with packages--a polite and respectful thing to do. Unfortunately, that has gone by the wayside because it infringes on the 'right' of 'self-expression' for people who really think it is IMPORTANT to be 'free' to have the flag crammed up their butt like dental floss for their patriotic tonga. Well, whatever...knock yourselves out!

The flag has taken on the role that "bunting" used to have--fabric designed to evoke the flag, but different enough so that one wouldn't be accused of wearing the flag. Now, people can't be bothered to be creative in their red, white and blue designs--they just chop up the flag for their "self-expression" and have at it.

So...put me down for one of those "mehs" or "fehs." People just don't give a shit anymore. It's a new paradigm.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:37 AM

11. it's no more offensive than any politician draping themselves in red, white and blue.

many politicians (and their supporters) surround themselves in various forms of red, white, and blue, often quite evocative of the official american flag. they're all tacky, tasteless, and transparently jingoistic, and bring to mind that "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" (or is it the first? ) but some degree of the seems to be a basic requirement for any campaign, certainly for the white house.

but offensive? no, because it's NOT the official american flag, merely highly evocative of it.

the pics of shrub desecrating and ACTUAL official american flag, THAT's offensive.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:47 AM

12. Never cared about our national tablecloth one way or the other, tell you the truth

It's amusing to watch a bunch of flag-defacers fall into histrionics over the flag being altered or marked or placed slightly to the west of where it "should be" or something, but that's just me having a bit of schadenfreude, like when I snicker at that poor inbred tiger;

"better you than me, guys!"

Beyond that... it's cloth. Big whup. If there's a day where I can honestly sit back and worry about what someone's doing to a piece of cloth - or better yet, a depiction of that piece of cloth, then I'll consider it a damn good day 'cause everything important would already be settled by then.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:48 AM

15. 1+

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:47 AM

13. I can certainly see how some might be offended by it

 

Someone else pointed out that we're not a nation that puts our current leader's face on money. Putting the president's -- ANY president's (even a dead one) -- face on the flag in the place of the stars that represent the 50 states sends the wrong message. The president is only a temporary official who is elected by the population of those 50 states. Think of the uproar that would've happened had someone put Dubya's face on the flag like that.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:46 AM

14. It's so offensively STUPID that I wonder if it isn't a troll artifact intended

to make President Obama look bad.

Is the source, or ownership, of this thing identified? I bet not.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 01:54 AM

16. Flag fetishes are stupid. Neither are offensive.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:36 AM

23. The US has had a flag fetish since at least the American Revolution





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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:43 AM

25. Still stupid.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #25)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:54 AM

28. It might be stupid, but it's ingrained in the American psyche

Many Civil War songs were centered around the flag. For example

"Their flag is but a rag, ours is the true one
Up with the Stars and Stripes
Down with the new one.."

And of course, out national anthem is centered around the flag and how it survived a night of bombardment in the waning days of the War of 1812.

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Response to Art_from_Ark (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:45 AM

27. omg. betsy ross let the flag touch the ground.

 

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:07 AM

17. Yes, it is offensive

The flag with any president's face is offensive. The flag with a sitting president's face is offensive and scary.

If this were Reagan or Bush instead of Obama the point would make itself.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:07 AM

18. This is OBVIOUSLY a Right Wing smear

It feeds into their fiction that Liberals worship Obama and outrages them over the defacing of the flag which they think of as belonging to them and further feeds into the "otherness" of those who disagree with them.

.....as if there would be a civil war with them flying Old Glory on one side and Liberals with this rag on the other.

Keep in mind the same crowd that gets all weepy over the American Flag are the same anti-federal government types that OPENED FIRE on that same flag during the Civil War because it REPRESENTS the federal government that they HATE.

And to think that they deny having mental problems.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:34 AM

22. +1

Welcome to DU

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:36 AM

24. It creeps me out a bit

in a big brother kinda way.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:44 AM

26. Yes, I do. This isn't the United States of Obama.

That image kind of disgusts me.

Can you imagine DU, Dems, Libertarians, many (I would hope) Republicans, and the paying-attention-citizenry of this nation had we seen an image of bush in such a manner?

WTF?





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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:37 AM

29. Envision Romney on the flag. I find both desecration of the flag. The flag should

be left alone.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:44 AM

31. i wouldn't say Offensive, but i guess stupid, don't like it, and i never saw it before

this thread. so it's not one used by most obama supporters.

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Response to Tony_FLADEM (Original post)

Tue Jun 19, 2012, 06:24 AM

32. that's offensive no matter WHOSE head is on it. chairman mao much?

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