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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 07:41 AM Sep 2016

The debate winner will be the candidate who address driveless cars and their

impact? How are we going to deal with millions of drones looking in our widows and backyards? Manage the millions of people displaced by technical changes?

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The debate winner will be the candidate who address driveless cars and their (Original Post) CK_John Sep 2016 OP
Whoever discusses it will lose the debate metroins Sep 2016 #1
If we are afraid of discussing the obvious future then we get CK_John Sep 2016 #2
discuss it, yes Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #5
I don't think its at all obvious that this will affect people's lives within the next four years citood Sep 2016 #26
I'd love to hear Hillary Clinton state saltpoint Sep 2016 #3
I'd like to hear them discuss marijuana legalization, but that topic won't come up, either. Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #4
I would love if that topic came up! Separation Sep 2016 #24
Agreed. Millions of Americans will be voting on it in November, the issue motivates Millennials Warren DeMontague Sep 2016 #25
lol ok Karmac! JNelson6563 Sep 2016 #6
admit it, as much as you post about it you love driverless cars! snooper2 Sep 2016 #7
I have no widows. GeorgeGist Sep 2016 #8
The technology is inevitable. Unconnected people should worry more about things they can control. FrodosPet Sep 2016 #9
It's not the vehicles but the millions of jobs that will be lost. CK_John Sep 2016 #13
Yes it will, however I think will will not pan out like that. Glassunion Sep 2016 #17
Woa you changed your position Egnever Sep 2016 #20
I think of it as a "calm down" process FrodosPet Sep 2016 #28
"How are we going to deal with millions of drones looking in our widows and backyards? " A HERETIC I AM Sep 2016 #10
"How are we going to deal with millions of drones looking in our windows and backyards? " yortsed snacilbuper Sep 2016 #23
The debate winner will be the candidate who vows to ban kettle chips Orrex Sep 2016 #11
And what about the steam engine!!?!! JoePhilly Sep 2016 #12
For pete's sake! That will not come up at all. MineralMan Sep 2016 #14
But it should be at the top of the list, candidates fighting over the last election CK_John Sep 2016 #15
To Hell with the driveless cars Brother Buzz Sep 2016 #16
Quit your whining. All cars can fly if you're brave enough. Glassunion Sep 2016 #18
I hate Illinois Nazis! Brother Buzz Sep 2016 #19
Naturally. nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2016 #21
It will be the candidate that addresess people who steal the squeegees at the gas station. Throd Sep 2016 #22
You have identified the #1 criteria concern in America! Not jobs, security, healthcare REP Sep 2016 #27
Self driving cars do not need to be discussed standingtall Sep 2016 #29

metroins

(2,550 posts)
1. Whoever discusses it will lose the debate
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 07:55 AM
Sep 2016

That's a topic that I wouldn't even broach.

Both candidates are not tech savvy, an answer in either direction would polarize voters. Anti drone will alienate young voters, pro drone alienates old and poor voters.

I'd give a statement about how technology is great and we're looking to make it safe as possible. Then transition into how medical advances are going leaps and bounds.

citood

(550 posts)
26. I don't think its at all obvious that this will affect people's lives within the next four years
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 05:54 PM
Sep 2016

And I'd venture to guess that polls listing the topics most important to Americans have driverless cars very low on the list.

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
3. I'd love to hear Hillary Clinton state
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 08:08 AM
Sep 2016

unequivocally that if she is elected, she will undertake a nationwide crusade to end standardized testing in public schools.

I believe quite a few classroom teachers would be on board for that.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
4. I'd like to hear them discuss marijuana legalization, but that topic won't come up, either.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 08:11 AM
Sep 2016

It will probably have zero substance and mostly be an opportunity for Trump to howl, throw shit and pound his chest.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
24. I would love if that topic came up!
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 05:22 PM
Sep 2016

Majority of Americans are in favor of it, I don't see why it shouldn't.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. Agreed. Millions of Americans will be voting on it in November, the issue motivates Millennials
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 05:27 PM
Sep 2016

and almost certainly it is a major factor in why Gary Johnson is drawing the numbers he is.

We should push harder for it, and force Trump to explain how his likely AG Chris Christie promises to march into legal states and start arresting pot smokers.

Watch how quickly Colorado goes from being a "toss-up" to strongly in the blue column again.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
9. The technology is inevitable. Unconnected people should worry more about things they can control.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 09:41 AM
Sep 2016

Yes, there are negative issues and many challenges remaining. But the positives outweigh the negatives by a country mile.

We don't need people panicking and obstructing this life saving technology. There is nothing positive that can come out of either candidate discussing it. There is not enough time to properly discuss the subject in this format, and all it would do is spread fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Sorry, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. We ALL need safe transportation a lot more than a few people need the horrible, stressful, dangerous job of driving drunk, angry strangers around.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
13. It's not the vehicles but the millions of jobs that will be lost.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 12:47 PM
Sep 2016

Over the road drivers will be the first to go. Taxi service will be next.

The next POTUS will be facing a very high unemployment rate. (my guess 50-60%)

Collapse of the university system and social services, the change will be very dramatics and will take decades for society to adjust.

The candidates should know this and put it front and center,
IMO.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
17. Yes it will, however I think will will not pan out like that.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 04:23 PM
Sep 2016

First, it is going to be a decades long process, not a sudden change. One of the things you have to consider is costs. The newer technology is always rather expensive, and not affordable to the average consumer, nor may it be initially cost effective to the driving industries. Then you have cities, and states that may regulate differently.

Most likely (IMHO), over-the-road trucking would be one of the last effected industries. There is a lot of both state and federal regulations regarding commercial driving, and with the new technology, I'm fairly confident it too will be regulated. I feel that in all probability, the trucking industry will involve platooning earlier than they will go completely autonomous. There is a cost savings to simply have a train of trucks that communicate internally with each other, and have a human in the lead vehicle controlling it.

Now hopefully the change will be gradual as to not have a significant impact on unemployment rates. As has been mentioned in several other threads, there will be areas where autonomy will initially struggle, and the human will still be needed to operate the vehicles. This will require a large investment in our infrastructure on not just the federal, but the state and local levels as well. Which will in turn actually create jobs.

Then, one could also ponder the side industries that this newer one will build a market for. Conversion services, regulatory and inspection agencies, smart roads, short route drivers, etc.

I do not fear such a dramatic collapse that will take decades to adjust, as I feel that the process will take decades, and we will easily adjust as we progress forward.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
28. I think of it as a "calm down" process
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 06:47 PM
Sep 2016

I've been telling people for years, at least since the DARPA grand challenge, that someday our cars would be better drivers than us.

In 2015, I got burned out on dispatch, so I went back to driving for a year, studying the technology, thinking about how radar, LiDAR, and sonar would figure out how to safely do this.

There are several challenges remaining. REASONABLE regulation is necessary. And it it likely that, at some point, there will be a shocking crash or two. But overall it will save lives and prevent devastating injuries.

As for the jobs - I think it would be a lot more useful and humane to create and fund a lot more direct care jobs to help our aging population. We definitely need more professional caregivers and fewer family members forced into unrelieved caregiver duties.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
10. "How are we going to deal with millions of drones looking in our widows and backyards? "
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 09:45 AM
Sep 2016

Pool nets



Or shotguns. One of the two. If there are "millions" looking in my window, I'll rely on lack of proper traffic control to take out most of them.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
11. The debate winner will be the candidate who vows to ban kettle chips
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 09:53 AM
Sep 2016

Those flavorless flakes of stone have no place in a functioning democracy.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
14. For pete's sake! That will not come up at all.
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:24 PM
Sep 2016

It's your pet subject, but it's way, way down the list for most people.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
15. But it should be at the top of the list, candidates fighting over the last election
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:28 PM
Sep 2016

means nothing.

Brother Buzz

(36,389 posts)
16. To Hell with the driveless cars
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 01:29 PM
Sep 2016

I want them to addressed the promised flying car. I've been patiently waiting for forty years.

REP

(21,691 posts)
27. You have identified the #1 criteria concern in America! Not jobs, security, healthcare
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 06:24 PM
Sep 2016

but those damn Google cars.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
29. Self driving cars do not need to be discussed
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 07:34 PM
Sep 2016

That technology is many years away. Not proven that self driving cars are any safer. Yes some will point to self driving cars having fewer accident rates,but as a poster pointed out on a another thread on this subject self driving cars have amounted to less than 1% of the amount of driving people do in a single day. Also self driving cars have been restricted to limited controlled areas with a speed limit of 25 mph. So they better have far fewer accidents.

Endorsing self driving cars would be a loser for either candidate. The transportation industry is a major chunk of our economy. If you were a teamster driver? Would like to hear Hilary say we are ready to move to self driving cars? Essentially putting you out of a job. I don't think so.

How about a sanitation worker. Self driving garbage trucks are coming. So goodbye to your job soon. I don't think anybody who works in the transportation industry wants to hear this.

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