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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:30 AM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

The greatest and his grandson - very cool



http://blogs.babycenter.com/celebrities/06152012-muhammad-ali-grandsons-cute-new-louis-vuitton-ad/
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Boxing great Muhammad Ali shows his softer side in a new Louis Vuitton ad that also features his almost 4-year-year-old grandson Curtis.

Unveiled yesterday, the Annie Leibovitz-shot campaign shows a smiling Ali, who turned 70 this year, looking on as his daughter Laila’s son proudly sports a pair of boxing gloves.

Grandma Connie Ali says that the pair “share a special bond,” revealing, “Of all the grandchildren, C.J. looks the most like Muhammad. And he even acts like him.”

They really do look alike, don’t they? Such a great shot.

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Reply The greatest and his grandson - very cool (Original post)
 malaise Jun 2012 OP
LineReply The Champ looks great at 70
 Auggie Jun 2012 #1
LineLineReply Sure does
 malaise Jun 2012 #3
LineLineReply almost unbelievable
 bigtree Jun 2012 #4
LineLineReply Just because he "looks good"
 happynewyear Jun 2012 #17
LineLineLineReply Most of us are totally aware of his condition
 Auggie Jun 2012 #19
LineLineLineReply "for 40 years now."
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #22
LineLineLineLineReply note: final stages of his career
 happynewyear Jun 2012 #27
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Doing the math
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply If you read the article
 happynewyear Jun 2012 #42
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Hopefully, everyone can
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #43
LineReply k&r...
 spanone Jun 2012 #2
LineReply Great photo. I do hope it is recent. Last time I saw Ali, he looked awful from Parkinson's.
 Hoyt Jun 2012 #5
LineLineReply It is very recent
 malaise Jun 2012 #14
LineLineLineReply He looks really good. I'm glad. Now I need to go work off a few pounds.
 Hoyt Jun 2012 #16
LineReply Tennis player Jo-Wilfried Tsonga also bears a striking resemblance to the Greatest.
 marmar Jun 2012 #6
LineLineReply Hubby said so the first time he saw him
 malaise Jun 2012 #12
LineReply Recommended!
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #7
LineLineReply Were you there?
 Octafish Jun 2012 #8
LineLineLineReply Yes.
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #9
LineLineLineLineReply LOLOL!
 Octafish Jun 2012 #10
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Ali had a routine
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #45
LineLineLineLineReply There is a great book by Mike Marqusee - Redemption Song:Muhammad Ali and the Spirit of the Sixties
 malaise Jun 2012 #11
LineLineLineLineReply Wow! What an experience! n/t
 stevedeshazer Jun 2012 #13
LineLineLineLineReply Back in the early '50s I lived in South Jersey and we had heard that Jersey Joe was going to be
 monmouth Jun 2012 #15
LineLineLineLineLineReply "Jersey Joe"
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply I did not know Ali had "borrowed" but am sure JJ would be proud. Was just watching DeNiro
 monmouth Jun 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Arnold Raymond Cream
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #44
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Ernie Durando said he was a real gentleman and well respected..n/t
 monmouth Jun 2012 #46
LineReply Beautiful beyond words.
 tabatha Jun 2012 #18
LineReply That kid looks tough - K&R
 slackmaster Jun 2012 #21
LineReply adorable kid, but this is still an ad for LV and
 cali Jun 2012 #23
LineLineReply Yes, exactly
 DavidDvorkin Jun 2012 #24
LineLineLineReply Both Cassius Clay, Sr., and
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineNew Reply Boxing isn't the only factor, but it almost certainly exacerbated his condition
 DavidDvorkin Jun 2012 #37
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Partly right, partly wrong.
 H2O Man Jun 2012 #39
LineReply Thank you. He looks good. Glad to hear what he is up to. Always wonder.
 jwirr Jun 2012 #26
LineLineReply You're welcome
 malaise Jun 2012 #29
LineReply Muhammad Ali: The Greatest of all Time
 rug Jun 2012 #28
LineLineReply Ali is one of my biggest heroes
 malaise Jun 2012 #30
LineReply I wish Laila were in the ad. Reading the "article," you wouldn't know that she was a "boxing great"
 Brickbat Jun 2012 #31
LineLineReply I noticed that although she clearly was not in her father's league
 malaise Jun 2012 #32
LineLineLineReply True,
 Brickbat Jun 2012 #33
LineLineLineReply imo, that ad is about much more than the boxing career
 MerryBlooms Jun 2012 #34
LineLineLineLineReply My interest in the photo is about a man and his grandson
 malaise Jun 2012 #35
LineNew Reply I loves me some Ali
 Skittles Jun 2012 #40
LineNew Reply Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team)
 Lambrecht98 Jun 2012 #41

Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:35 AM

Star Member Auggie (16,185 posts)

1. The Champ looks great at 70

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:41 AM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

3. Sure does

He's a lucky man - love, care and money for health care make a difference.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:46 AM

Star Member bigtree (49,250 posts)

4. almost unbelievable

damn he looks good.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:37 AM

happynewyear (1,587 posts)

17. Just because he "looks good"

does not mean that he "is good".

The Champ has been battling Parkinson's disease for 40 years now.

Just because you cannot see the symptoms in the photo doesn't mean he is ok.

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Response to happynewyear (Reply #17)

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:40 AM

Star Member Auggie (16,185 posts)

19. Most of us are totally aware of his condition

Hey, happynewyear: chill out. Allow us to pay a compliment.



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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:46 AM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

22. "for 40 years now."

Really? Since 1972? Any chance you want to correct that inaccurate statement?

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:29 PM

happynewyear (1,587 posts)

27. note: final stages of his career

>>By the final stages of his career, Ali was slurring words. Not long afterward, he was diagnosed with Parkinson's.

Lieberman said he doesn't believe Ali got Parkinson's because of repeated blows to the head because he doesn't have classic Dementia pugilistica.

Ali is coherent and his thought process is still intact, though the Parkinson's forces him to communicate more with gestures and actions instead of words.

Daughter Maryum believes her father's choice of profession had something to do with his fate.

"In my heart, I think it was a combination of Parkinson's and trauma to the head," she said. "He got hit a lot and he fought for a long time."

More: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/othersports/2017257069_ali17.html

I believe that he has had Parkinson's for at least 30 years; onset prior to the end of his career it states, hence closing in on 40 years.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:43 PM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

38. Doing the math

might be a good idea. 40 years is inaccurate.

When discussing Muhammad Ali on DU, I ask people to try to be accurate.

In 1972, Ali was not close to approaching the end of his career. Nor had he engaged in any of the bouts that contributed to his medical condition.

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 02:10 PM

happynewyear (1,587 posts)

42. If you read the article

The article states that he began slurring his speech in 1982.

How long had he had Parkinson's before this time? One year, two years, five years, or ten years?

We don't know.

It is now 2012. That makes it at least 30 years.

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 06:56 PM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

43. Hopefully, everyone can

recognize the distinction between 40 and 30 years.

In terms of The Greatest, if one is either unfamiliar with his career, or not able to distinguish in which fights he was subjected to punches to the head, one should ask, rather than bluff. Indeed, in Ali's case, one can identify specific bouts where he took repeated blows to the back of his head -- and those are the punches associated directly to the physical symptoms he now deals with. On the other hand, one can identify the section of the brain that, for example, Smokin' Joe Frazier took, that resulted in specific post-retirement changes in his personality.

This is a topic that I am quite familiar with.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:36 AM

Star Member spanone (72,109 posts)

2. k&r...

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:58 AM

Star Member Hoyt (12,127 posts)

5. Great photo. I do hope it is recent. Last time I saw Ali, he looked awful from Parkinson's.

Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2012, 10:58 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)


My all time sports hero, and a lot more.

His quip about not accepting induction into the Army was a classic, and captured the mood at the time: "I ain't got no quarrel with the Vietcong. No Vietcong ever called me N________.”

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:30 AM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

14. It is very recent

This is the best I've seen him looking for ages.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:37 AM

Star Member Hoyt (12,127 posts)

16. He looks really good. I'm glad. Now I need to go work off a few pounds.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:03 AM

Star Member marmar (60,828 posts)

6. Tennis player Jo-Wilfried Tsonga also bears a striking resemblance to the Greatest.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:29 AM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

12. Hubby said so the first time he saw him

He used to see young Ali riding his bike back in his Chicago college days

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:04 AM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

7. Recommended!

"Ali! Ali! Ali! Ali! Ali!"

That picture brought back the chant from ringside, when he fought Frazier the second time. My brother and I have been discussing that experience in detail.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:08 AM

Octafish (33,429 posts)

8. Were you there?

MSG

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:16 AM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

9. Yes.

My brother Mark and I were ringside. We sat with the great welterweight-middleweight champion Emile Griffith. To my right (same row) was Senator Teddy Kennedy & family. George Foreman, the champion, was a few feet away. (He was huge!)

The day before, after the weigh-ins, I jumped on the back of Ali's limo, as it left the Garden. Rode about a block, with Ali shaking his fist at me. So I started telling my friends at school that I had "rode a limo with Ali!" Ha! I was in high school at the time.

(My brother & I are writing a book on our family's experiences in the fight game, not for any big publication, but for our familiy's "younger generation." Mark had been a fixture in Ali's training camp for years, among many, many other things.)

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:18 AM

Octafish (33,429 posts)

10. LOLOL!

Wayyy cool, my Friend!

"Get off my car, kid!"

LOLOL!

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:07 PM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

45. Ali had a routine

when my brother was in his camp, and his training was open to the general public. He'd pretend that my brother was a "spy" for his opponent's camp, and Angelo Dundee would have to "hold Ali back" from attacking my brother.

The man touched a heck of a lot of people's lives. Drew "Bundini" Brown told my brother lots of stories about Ali's generosity.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:28 AM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

11. There is a great book by Mike Marqusee - Redemption Song:Muhammad Ali and the Spirit of the Sixties

You would love it.

I sure want to read the book you're working on with your brother.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:30 AM

stevedeshazer (21,653 posts)

13. Wow! What an experience! n/t

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:34 AM

monmouth (21,078 posts)

15. Back in the early '50s I lived in South Jersey and we had heard that Jersey Joe was going to be

training at the Washington Ave. gym in Pleasantville. One afternoon after school (freshman year) we walked by the gym and decided to go in and see if we could watch JJ doing some sparring. Well, many boxers were sparring and a lot of yelling was going on, we walked in and the place shut down like a hush I had never heard before. Some guy came running over and asked what we wanted, we told him. He put his head down, hand over mouth, to keep from laughing out loud I'm sure. He very nicely escorted us toward the door and said this was no place for young ladies and whether JJ was there or not we had to leave. As we were leaving we could hear the shouting and laughter follow us out the door. Many years after that I was working for the NJTurnpike Authority in New Brunswick with a great guy, Ernie Durando, once a boxer himself from Bayonne. I told him this story and he thought it was hilarious.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:44 AM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

20. "Jersey Joe"

had periods, in his long career, when he couldn't get fights. In those times, he worked for my Grandfather's construction company -- a common "day job" for boxers back then. He was an extraordinary fighter, both in terms of physical and mental gifts. I'm sure you know that "Cassius Clay"/ Muhammad Ali "borrowed" some of his footwork, most notable, the "Ali Shuffle."

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 12:43 PM

monmouth (21,078 posts)

25. I did not know Ali had "borrowed" but am sure JJ would be proud. Was just watching DeNiro

playing Jake LaMotta .... Tough game.

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:04 PM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

44. Arnold Raymond Cream

had a bag of tricks that many, many fighters "borrowed" from. I picked up more than a few myself, from watching old films of his fights, over and over.

Today, of course, Jersey Joe would be a cruiserweight. Due to circumstances beyond his control, he never got a shot at the title until he was well past his prime. By then Joe Louis held the title, and Jersey Joe joked about the frustrations of waiting for a younger man "get old." JJ did beat Louis in their first fight, which even Louis recognized; the judges scored for Louis, though. (And no one did well in rematched with Louis.)

If he was somehow transported to more recent times, JJ would probably have been about the same level as Roy Jones. I think Walcott would have KOed Jones.

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 07:08 PM

monmouth (21,078 posts)

46. Ernie Durando said he was a real gentleman and well respected..n/t

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:37 AM

tabatha (18,795 posts)

18. Beautiful beyond words.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:44 AM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

21. That kid looks tough - K&R

 

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:47 AM

cali (80,197 posts)

23. adorable kid, but this is still an ad for LV and

I hate to see the little kid with gloves on. Like football, boxing is a "sport" that levels real damage on many who engage in it.

Sorry.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 11:57 AM

Star Member DavidDvorkin (12,070 posts)

24. Yes, exactly

It's an ironic picture given what boxing did to Ali's brain.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:11 PM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

36. Both Cassius Clay, Sr., and

Howard Cosell had the same condition that The Champ does. Neither boxed. While it is evident that the punches Ali took had an impact on the severity of his problems, it alone is not the only factor.

Ali's mind is still perfectly clear. He is intelligent, thoughtful, and never feels sorry for himself. He remains a powerful role model for many, many people.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:24 PM

Star Member DavidDvorkin (12,070 posts)

37. Boxing isn't the only factor, but it almost certainly exacerbated his condition

Moreover, boxing causes brain injury, and no one should be encouraged to go into it.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:46 PM

H2O Man (48,586 posts)

39. Partly right, partly wrong.

Boxing can indeed cause physical injury. So can driving a car (or being a passenger).

Everyone should -- at very least -- be encouraged to box. I believe it should be required for citizenship/voting/buying groceries.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:20 PM

Star Member jwirr (20,909 posts)

26. Thank you. He looks good. Glad to hear what he is up to. Always wonder.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:13 PM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

29. You're welcome

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 01:52 PM

Star Member rug (47,264 posts)

28. Muhammad Ali: The Greatest of all Time



His greatest fight.



His greatest moment.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:14 PM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

30. Ali is one of my biggest heroes

Thanks for those great video links

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:24 PM

Brickbat (14,397 posts)

31. I wish Laila were in the ad. Reading the "article," you wouldn't know that she was a "boxing great"

herself.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 02:29 PM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

32. I noticed that although she clearly was not in her father's league

He was way more than a great boxer

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 04:20 PM

Brickbat (14,397 posts)

33. True,

but in a bigger league than her son, so far.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 04:31 PM

Star Member MerryBlooms (2,029 posts)

34. imo, that ad is about much more than the boxing career

and I think his daughter included would have been wonderful. I hope for a few more ads that include the female that made the original ad possible in the first place.

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Sat Jun 16, 2012, 06:53 PM

Star Member malaise (106,021 posts)

35. My interest in the photo is about a man and his grandson

Last edited Sat Jun 16, 2012, 07:30 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

who looks a lot like him.

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 02:42 AM

Star Member Skittles (86,311 posts)

40. I loves me some Ali

loved him when he was Cassius, too

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Sun Jun 17, 2012, 06:12 AM

Lambrecht98 (9 posts)

41. Spam deleted by Violet_Crumble (MIR Team)

 

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