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TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 11:07 PM Aug 2016

Breaking: 22 Million White House Emails May Be Missing!!!

I think the biggest travesty in the media is the double standard being applied with respect to Hillary's e-mails. Compared to the immediately preceding administration, Hillary's e-mails were just a rounding error. Yet, no one raises this on TV for context. Instead, for every crazy thing Trump says, does or proposes, the media goes back to e-mails in order to push a false equivalency.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marty-rudoy/breaking-22-million-white_b_10267750.html

Up to 22 million White House emails may be missing, according to the US Attorney General. The emails, requested as part of a congressional investigation, could not be produced because they were sent on a non-governmental email server.

Here’s a video of the Attorney General’s announcement.



This appears to be a violation of the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act. Should we impeach Hillary Clinton now or later?

Not so fast.

The 22 million emails were lost in 2007. Under the Bush Administration.

Yes, Bush. George W, to be exact.


Was anyone impeached? No.

Was anyone prosecuted? No.

Were the Republicans up in arms? No.

Was Karl Rove on Fox News every night calling for anyone to resign/be impeached/ be fired?

No.

Because Karl Rove, Bush chief-of-staff at the time, deleted them
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Breaking: 22 Million White House Emails May Be Missing!!! (Original Post) TomCADem Aug 2016 OP
Lots of Republicans have amnesia about the Bush presidency. Koinos Aug 2016 #1
I don't blame them... toddwv Aug 2016 #13
Whoa...DOOD! major debacle Aug 2016 #2
K&R... spanone Aug 2016 #3
And They Were Sent On A Non-Governmental E-Mail Server......nt global1 Aug 2016 #4
The Republicans and The Media jaxind Aug 2016 #5
Exactly. blue neen Aug 2016 #6
"backfiring" will only happen with a non sold out media LiberalLovinLug Aug 2016 #19
+1 RapSoDee Aug 2016 #24
Say it loud! applegrove Aug 2016 #7
I hate everything about RWers amuse bouche Aug 2016 #8
And again we have this odd defense. JayhawkSD Aug 2016 #9
Hillary: Alkene Aug 2016 #10
Bush/Rove deleted actual government business emails, not personal emails. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #11
Thanks for missing my point completely JayhawkSD Aug 2016 #16
Do you have a work email and a private email account? TomCADem Aug 2016 #17
This will never go to court, this is all for perception. grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #21
The point is the media and Congress not paying attention treestar Aug 2016 #22
If the guy in front of you runs a red light, does it justify you running that light? davidn3600 Aug 2016 #12
No, Davidn3600, Hillary did not "run a red light." SunSeeker Aug 2016 #14
Actually zipplewrath Aug 2016 #28
The problem with your analogy is that... thesquanderer Aug 2016 #30
But one can understand zipplewrath Aug 2016 #33
k and r...nt Stuart G Aug 2016 #15
Just in: Andrea Mitchell has them. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #18
Dont worry, IMPEACHMENT IS OFF THE TABLE..... just not for Hillary :( grahamhgreen Aug 2016 #20
That's just a few short of a brazillion! Happyhippychick Aug 2016 #23
TomCADem, I love you man! ffr Aug 2016 #25
Tell it. yardwork Aug 2016 #26
Was anyone whined about? NO!!! George II Aug 2016 #27
K&R red dog 1 Aug 2016 #29
K&R betsuni Aug 2016 #31
the only reason they get away with the massive hypocrisy certainot Aug 2016 #32

major debacle

(508 posts)
2. Whoa...DOOD!
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 11:26 PM
Aug 2016

22 MILLION??? You just blew my mind!

Actually, not so much... it's totally in keeping with Republican Family Values.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
5. The Republicans and The Media
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 11:38 PM
Aug 2016

The Republicans and The Media always seem to have amnesia when it's convenient for them! Why isn't the media bringing this up when the republicans come down on Hilary for her deleted emails??!!

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
6. Exactly.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 11:47 PM
Aug 2016

This continued attacks by Republicans about Hillary's emails may end up backfiring on them. They deserve it.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
19. "backfiring" will only happen with a non sold out media
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 02:55 PM
Aug 2016

If the corporate news media had been doing their jobs in the last decades the Republicans, at least the present day knuckle-draggers, would be already on the ash heap of history.

Poor Dubya was suffering those low poll numbers near the end and they just couldn't bring themselves to kick a dog when he was down. Even a nasty vicious beast like the GOP, if it meant it would damage the false equivalency that they have to keep up to maintain the pretense that it is/was all a matter of "opinion" instead of confronting the liars with facts. Because then the lying butt-hurt scumbuckets would refuse to come on their shows or allow them access, and uninvite them to their big cocktail parties.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
9. And again we have this odd defense.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 12:42 AM
Aug 2016

It's okay for Democrats to break the law because Republicans broke the law too.

No, I'm not a Republican. I don't support Republicans. I don't vote for Republicans. I think Republicans are idiots.

But I have known since I was in grade school that "everybody does it" is not a defense.

SunSeeker

(51,513 posts)
11. Bush/Rove deleted actual government business emails, not personal emails.
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 01:22 AM
Aug 2016

Hillary only deleted personal emails that she had every right to delete. She did not "break the law." Everyone does indeed delete personal emails. But not everyone deletes governmental emails, and Hillary has never alleged that; certainly the OP does not allege that.

The OP is about the GOP's mind-boggling hypocrisy. The GOP is apoplectic because Hillary deleted personal emails, but did not give a shit that the Bush administration deleted 22 million government business emails.

 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
16. Thanks for missing my point completely
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:29 AM
Aug 2016

And validating it at the same time. Whatever the Bush administration did or did not do is not relevant to any accusation made against Hillary Clinton.

Charge: You killed my dog.

Defense 1: You murdered your wife.

Defense 2. Your dog was attacking me.
Defense 3: I can prove I didn't do it.

The first defense is entirely irrelevant, and does not even claim that you did not kill the dog, let alone assert any offer of proof. Claiming that you are a good guy because a dog killer is better than a murderer is begging the point, because the accusation is merely that you are a dog killer. It's called diversion; calling attention to the faults of others to avoid notice being given to your own faults. No need to divert when one is innocent, so it is a tacit admission of guilt.

Defenses two and are legitimate claims of innocence, and assert or imply ability to prove same.

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
17. Do you have a work email and a private email account?
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 01:29 PM
Aug 2016

Most folks do. Back in the 2000s, folks sometimes debated whether emails are a record or whether they were transitory communications. Even today there are debates as to whether emails should be subject to record retention.

The activities of the Bush administration shed light on what was reasonable when the Obama administration came into office. When Comey uses the word careless, it assumes a standard of care.

You can't view email practices in a vacume. Yet, people do wrt Clinton. This is why a Republican congressman saw no issue with attacking Hillary even though his official business card listed a private email address.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
12. If the guy in front of you runs a red light, does it justify you running that light?
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 01:28 AM
Aug 2016

So now every bad thing Bush/Cheney did and got away with is OK for a Democrat to do?

SunSeeker

(51,513 posts)
14. No, Davidn3600, Hillary did not "run a red light."
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 03:37 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Tue Aug 23, 2016, 04:59 AM - Edit history (1)

She didn't delete State Department emails, let alone 22 million government business emails, as Rove & company did. She only deleted personal emails, which she has a right to do and does not violate any laws.

The OP is about the GOP's mind-boggling hypocrisy. The GOP is apoplectic because Hillary deleted personal emails, but the GOP did not give a shit that the Bush administration deleted 22 million government business emails, nor did they give a shit when Colin Powell deleted ALL of his State Department emails that were on his unsecured private AOL email account.

Your attempt to equate what Hillary did to what Rove did is shameful false equivalence completely unhinged from facts and reality.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
28. Actually
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 08:15 PM
Aug 2016

It's more like the guy in front drove drunk through the intersection and clipped 5 cars and ran over 3 dogs. And Hillary ran a red light, and she's the one that got a ticket.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
30. The problem with your analogy is that...
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:12 PM
Aug 2016

...no matter what the person in front did, the person who ran the red light still deserves the ticket.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
33. But one can understand
Wed Aug 24, 2016, 08:24 AM
Aug 2016

One can understand that the person who ran the red light is a tad pissed off that the dog killer "walked away".

ffr

(22,665 posts)
25. TomCADem, I love you man!
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 05:37 PM
Aug 2016

Like you, I haven't forgotten the atrocities perpetrated by the "W" administration.

The M$M is derelict in their journalism duties to draw parallels when RWingers bring up their phony scandals about anyone with a D by their name.

U Rock!

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
32. the only reason they get away with the massive hypocrisy
Tue Aug 23, 2016, 10:39 PM
Aug 2016

is the left/dems continue to allow without challenge 1200 think tank scripted radio stations to determine what stories get buzz.

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