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Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:16 PM

 

Women: How feminine are you?

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Has the price of the womens' movement been at the expense of femininity?

I see no reason why June Cleaver couldn't have been the CEO of Mobil Exxon instead of Ward Cleavers' stay-at-home wife. Is todays' woman obligated to hawk, scratch, spit and cuss like man to be a success? Aren't women more than guys without dicks? IMO, most women today are not feminine.

How feminine are you?
16 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Poll closed
I'm feminine and completely agree with you.
1 (6%)
I'm feminine and you're full of shit.
2 (13%)
Femininity has nothing to do with the womens' movement.
11 (69%)
I'm not a feminine woman but I play one at work.
0 (0%)
I'm not a feminine woman, never have been, unnecessary.
1 (6%)
Other.
1 (6%)
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Reply Women: How feminine are you? (Original post)
unkachuck Jun 2012 OP
Quantess Jun 2012 #1
siligut Jun 2012 #4
cwydro Jun 2012 #8
Aerows Jun 2012 #27
cwydro Jun 2012 #38
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #41
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #54
gkhouston Jun 2012 #73
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #48
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #80
Cali_Democrat Jun 2012 #125
siligut Jun 2012 #2
noamnety Jun 2012 #12
DURHAM D Jun 2012 #26
Brickbat Jun 2012 #3
EFerrari Jun 2012 #5
gkhouston Jun 2012 #42
scarletwoman Jun 2012 #6
LineLineReply +
ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #52
Dash87 Jun 2012 #7
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #9
cwydro Jun 2012 #35
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #61
cali Jun 2012 #66
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #67
cali Jun 2012 #68
Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #76
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #131
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #134
noamnety Jun 2012 #10
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #11
Evergreen Emerald Jun 2012 #13
longship Jun 2012 #14
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #15
Oilwellian Jun 2012 #16
Quantess Jun 2012 #17
ohheckyeah Jun 2012 #18
RainDog Jun 2012 #19
Quantess Jun 2012 #20
longship Jun 2012 #22
steve2470 Jun 2012 #23
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #114
Lex Jun 2012 #21
Quantess Jun 2012 #24
DURHAM D Jun 2012 #25
Habibi Jun 2012 #28
JI7 Jun 2012 #29
joshcryer Jun 2012 #30
TBF Jun 2012 #103
seabeyond Jun 2012 #31
GoneOffShore Jun 2012 #32
aint_no_life_nowhere Jun 2012 #33
amuse bouche Jun 2012 #34
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #44
devilgrrl Jun 2012 #36
Mira Jun 2012 #37
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #40
Mira Jun 2012 #47
fizzgig Jun 2012 #39
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #43
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #45
cwydro Jun 2012 #46
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #51
ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #57
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #58
La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2012 #124
GObamaGO Jun 2012 #49
Jamastiene Jun 2012 #50
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #53
Jamastiene Jun 2012 #120
Matariki Jun 2012 #55
Rowdyboy Jun 2012 #62
ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #56
Gemini Cat Jun 2012 #59
Raine Jun 2012 #60
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #70
PotatoChip Jun 2012 #63
gkhouston Jun 2012 #71
cali Jun 2012 #64
cali Jun 2012 #65
seabeyond Jun 2012 #97
yardwork Jun 2012 #99
hlthe2b Jun 2012 #123
Ken Burch Jun 2012 #69
marions ghost Jun 2012 #72
From The Ashes Jun 2012 #74
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #75
Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #77
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #79
Ms. Toad Jun 2012 #94
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #100
Oilwellian Jun 2012 #118
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #122
retread Jun 2012 #78
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #81
maddezmom Jun 2012 #82
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #88
cyberswede Jun 2012 #105
yardwork Jun 2012 #91
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #101
obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #121
redqueen Jun 2012 #83
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #84
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #95
redqueen Jun 2012 #107
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #110
Jamastiene Jun 2012 #119
arcane1 Jun 2012 #130
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #85
yardwork Jun 2012 #93
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #96
yardwork Jun 2012 #98
rhett o rick Jun 2012 #113
Chorophyll Jun 2012 #86
StarryNight Jun 2012 #87
redqueen Jun 2012 #109
yardwork Jun 2012 #89
seabeyond Jun 2012 #90
Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #92
TBF Jun 2012 #104
LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #106
Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #117
hifiguy Jun 2012 #102
LanternWaste Jun 2012 #108
unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #111
stevenleser Jun 2012 #112
steve2470 Jun 2012 #115
rox63 Jun 2012 #116
devilgrrl Jun 2012 #126
Solly Mack Jun 2012 #127
lapislzi Jun 2012 #128
arcane1 Jun 2012 #129
Blue_In_AK Jun 2012 #132
The empressof all Jun 2012 #133
LaurenG Jun 2012 #135
Zorra Jun 2012 #136
cynatnite Jun 2012 #137
ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #138
whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #139
Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #140
Taverner Jun 2012 #141
rocktivity Jun 2012 #142
Rex Jun 2012 #143
Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #144

Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:19 PM

1. How about, you just go sit on a tack and spin around?

Like I care what some windbag on the internet thinks about my tits! YOU ASKED FOR IT, asshole.

(edit for clarity)

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:24 PM

4. I like your edit for clarity

Makes it real clear, lol.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:29 PM

8. what you said

!!!

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:16 AM

27. +1000

You said everything I thought when I read this drivel.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:58 AM

38. The OP seems to have fled with his tail between his legs..

...and to comment on HIS level: that's most likely all he has between his legs lol.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:14 AM

41. All I can say to that is...

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Response to cwydro (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:23 AM

54. Ya think? Nice one.....

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Response to cwydro (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:56 AM

73. He'll be back...

as soon as he's consulted Miss Manners about whether the proper direction to stir shit is clockwise or counter-clockwise.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:32 AM

48. That would be cruel...to the tack. n/t.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:22 AM

80. +1

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Response to Quantess (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:16 PM

125. LOL

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:21 PM

2. You know we can see who votes how . . . don't you?

I just wanted to let you know.

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Response to siligut (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:31 PM

12. lol, that's classic. (nt)

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Response to siligut (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:14 AM

26. So Uncle Chuck checked that he is feminine.

I want to see a pic.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:23 PM

3. What the hell is it to you?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:28 PM

5. I've met every kind of woman you can imagine in the movement

and probably a few that you can't imagine.

They were all feminine.

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Response to EFerrari (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:15 AM

42. ^^ This. n/t

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:28 PM

6. Define what you mean by "feminine".

And I'll reciprocate by offering you my definition of "obnoxious sexist jerk".

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:53 AM

52. +

 

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:29 PM

7. I really don't get what one has to do with the other.

So, to answer your question, no.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:29 PM

9. I was on the jury for this, and voted to hide it.

For the life of me, I can't understand why this blatantly anti-woman poll wasn't hidden. How could ANYBODY think this was acceptable?

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:54 AM

35. I'm curious too

I would have voted to hide it...

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:59 AM

61. I find it amazing that you could get one vote in favor of this shit, much less three...

Stunning and depressing. Guess we need to devote even more time to nuking trolls.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:59 AM

66. thank you ken. I can't even begin to fathom how this was left up.

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Response to cali (Reply #66)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:09 AM

67. I just alerted on it again.

I hope that they don't just leave it up because they somehow found a jury half-filled with misogynists the first time.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #67)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:11 AM

68. I just posted a thread about it in Meta

time for the admins to step in.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #67)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:21 AM

76. I did the same and marked the TOS box

So it will get to the admins.

My experience, unfortunately, is that the admins to not respond to mysogyny the same way they respond to other bigotry. I suspect this will remain standing and that nothing will happen to the poster.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:50 PM

131. Can you post the results, if you haven't deleted the mail?

Several people have said, at least in Meta-Discussion, that they'd like to see if anyone voting to let it stay gave their reasoning.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #131)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:11 PM

134. Here you go...unfortunately, none of the "leave it" votes explained their reasoning

(note...I was Juror No. 6)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=inbox&view=351318

The results:

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:27 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: lnsulting to all hard working women, in the home or outside it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Vote for option #2.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: While I'd like to see a good war for fun my mature side says "no this is not okay".
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: What...the...FUCK????

Who posted this? Phyllis Schlafly after a three-day Lydia Pinkham's bender?


Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


(note: In the meta-thread discussing this incident, I've heard some posters argue that the OP was intended as "satire". Not sure why anybody would think that).

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:29 PM

10. Oh please

can you give us your definition of femininity? Should be good for some laughs.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:30 PM

11. EVERY woman is feminine

Why do you hate the idea of women's equality?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:31 PM

13. ummm...I can kick your ass...in my heels and skirt. Is that feminine enough for you?

The stereotype definition of femininity as June Cleaver is not reality. And frankly, insulting.

"Spit and cuss like a man." Dang, men have it good. They can say and do what they want and still be successful. Women, conversely, must walk in heels and skirts and painted faces and act demure--"June Cleaver"--like at the office or be judged as "not feminine."

How about this: each individual human can be the best they can be without the shackles of societal stereotypes.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:31 PM

14. Insulting.

No answer from me except my condemnation for your effrontery.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:35 PM

15. WTF is wrong with you?

 


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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:45 PM

16. And to think...

Unkachuck has served on 38 juries.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:45 PM

17. Thanks a lot for your obvious FLAMEBAIT.

How about you go shove a day old donut around your dick?
No seriously, go to the Feminism forum if you want real trouble.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:50 PM

18. How's this thread

working out for you?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:52 PM

19. I would suggest you delete this post

because it is so clueless - and you will find many people do not want to see you here - either by putting you on ignore or by trying to get rid of you.

I bet most women think you're a real winner chicken dinner too.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:54 PM

20. I alerted, and here's what I found in my mailbox instantly afterward:

You added the following comments:

Flamebait. He says in the OP "I don't think you women are feminine" while at the same time asking whether women are feminine, if at all possible, in the poll.

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this post at Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:27 AM, and voted 3-3 to keep it.

Thank you.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:00 AM

22. I wish I had been on the jury

It might have been hidden. Still hoping that OPer will self delete and hang his head in shame. And I am a guy.

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Response to longship (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:01 AM

23. agreed nt

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Response to Quantess (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:38 AM

114. Me too. That might be even more disturbing than this POS post/poll. n/t

 

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:54 PM

21. Oh woe is all of womenkind that they might not be feminine enough to suit you!

What the actual fuck?




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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:07 AM

24. No, women are not feminine. WTF?

Women are not feminine.
Womein are not feminine.
Women ar not feminine.
Women are not feinine
Women are not feminine
Women are not feminine
Women are nt feminine.


But you are stupid!

Edit to add: Do you get it yet, asshole? Women ARE feminine BY DEFINITION. Try and argue that. Go ahead, you lose.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:11 AM

25. I see you are the only one who has checked the top choice.

I assume you are actually a man and this is a fantasy thing you are doing. Could you post your picture? Let us vote.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:16 AM

28. When you got up this morning,

what century did you think it was?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:17 AM

29. WTF ?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:24 AM

30. Account suicide? This is atrocious. Especially since you say you're male...

...and voted for the top option. Not that there can't be feminine males...

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Response to joshcryer (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:03 AM

103. Thank you - nice to have a male say it.

it is a ridiculous poll.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:33 AM

31. lonely, much? nt

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:35 AM

32. Eff off you silly prat.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:48 AM

33. What is it about the women of today you find unfeminine?

I don't know any women who hawk, scratch, spit and cuss like man. I'm not sure where you're coming from. Have you been hanging around a hard core biker gang?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:51 AM

34. lol

What a dumb thread

Edit to add the only one that agreed with unkachuck was unkachuck

Now that is too funny. I think they call that...Hoisted by his own Petard

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:17 AM

44. And it's a really SHORT petard at that...

(...if you know what I mean...)

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:56 AM

37. And how masculine are you? go and find the current "Penis" thread

and enter your stats, we'll all know it's you because we now have polls where voting isn't secret.

Your criterion about what is "feminine" equally silly as the one I'm proposing.
Get a clue.

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Response to Mira (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:13 AM

40. uh..."enter your stats"?

Are we talking...er...measurements?

(on second thought, that might be useful info, since the OP clearly has what George Costanza would call "a shrinkage problem".)

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:28 AM

47. Yup - measurements - link:

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:09 AM

39. i voted that the movement has nothing to do with feminity

but i could have also voted that i've never been a particularly feminine woman.

that said, why do you give a shit how "feminine" women are? why do you want to pigeonhole us into the false and outdated gender binary? i'm not successful at my job because i spit in public, i'm successful because i work my ass off.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:16 AM

43. All I can say is

You're lucky Katniss Everdeen didn't see this poll.

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:25 AM

46. Yeah,

and as much fun as it is to play with this cretin...I think I won't bump his thread anymore.

What a moron.

Surely they cannot hide your post as a personal attack; the OP just insulted women in general and that was given a pass...

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Response to cwydro (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:52 AM

51. I would wear it as a badge of honor if it was hidden....However its nearly impossible to

imagine 4 of 6 DUers agreeing to censor me when this offensive bullshit is allowed to stand.

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:46 AM

57. or as the neighbor said

 

"That's enough, Fuckstick"

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Response to ManyShadesOf (Reply #57)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:49 AM

58. Indeed

Fuckstick, Indeed...

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:14 PM

124. strongly seconded

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:36 AM

49. WTF

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:51 AM

50. Did anyone else notice the only vote in favor of this OP is by the original poster?

That says it all.

Some days, I miss un-Rec tremendously.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 01:56 AM

53. Unrec hell, if MIRT is limited to low post counts then the admins need to know

This sickens me.

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Response to Rowdyboy (Reply #53)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:46 AM

120. True that.

I think there are some people gaming the jury system...when I see these cases of clear TOS violations NOT get hidden. It's disgusting.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:31 AM

55. jeezus.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #55)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:25 AM

62. Loved your original post

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:44 AM

56. All of us

 

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:56 AM

59. In the circles I run in

I've never witnessed anyone (male or female) hawking, spitting, scratching, or cussing without good reason. You must run with weird people.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:58 AM

60. I'm a real "girly girl" but cross me and

I'll find a way to make you wish you were never born. I'll do it in a very lady like way and you won't see it coming.

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Response to Raine (Reply #60)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:16 AM

70. Sort of like THIS?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:35 AM

63. Wow. Apparently really strange things happen in the middle of the night.

Gigantic un-spaced thread titles, people talking about bombing the moon, and now this. Wtf?

By the time I usually get up, DU3 looks entirely different.

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Response to PotatoChip (Reply #63)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:16 AM

71. They all return to their coffins before the sun comes up. n/t

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:57 AM

65. keep on alerting, fellow duers. this cannot be allowed to stand.

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Response to cali (Reply #65)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:48 AM

97. i was wondering if that post was going to make it.... sorry cali. nt

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Response to cali (Reply #65)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:52 AM

99. Repeated alerts won't seat another jury. Write to Skinner.

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Response to cali (Reply #65)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:52 PM

123. If repeated alerts with TOS violation checked are sent....

Do admins get all of them? Or only the first one?

Important for someone to clarify, as if the latter is true, then we are wasting our time and should be emailing Skinner directly.

Can anyone comment with certainty?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:11 AM

69. This is basically the same as starting polls titled

"Black people: Do You Know Your Place?"
"LGBT's: Are You Staying In The Closet Like You're Supposed To?"
"Muslims: Have You Stopped Blowing Shit Up Yet?"


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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #69)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:31 AM

72. Exactly

your examples are excellent

Guess he likes the women in the L'Oreal ads popping up simultaneously...as if beauty can come out of a spray bottle and ensure "femininity"... let's talk about that delusion and how it spawned a gazillion dollar industry.

OP = Divisive Inflammatory Crap.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 06:07 AM

74. I'm feminine...

...and you're an asshole. See how that balances out, asscarrot?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:11 AM

75. why is this still here?

Has anyone alerted Skinner yet?

This is incredibly offensive to women. Is this kind of thing acceptable now on DU?

If it is, I need to cancel my automatic payments to DU and leave.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:26 AM

77. I alerted and checked the TOS box

so it should land in his in box.

I'd suggest people keep alerting, since my experience is that mysogyny is tolerated around here in a way that other bigotry isn't. If the admins hear loud and clear from lots of folks, maybe this time will be different.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #77)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:09 AM

79. I did too but only got the automated reply.

Misogyny IS tolerated around here, isn't it? It seems that the war on women has found its way here and this thread is a startling example of that.

When even the liberal men think it's okay to harm women....we have a real problem on our hands.

I have never been so afraid for my sisters in this country as I have been this past year. It's getting very very ugly. It doesn't take much of an imagination to think of where all this will end in America....

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #79)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:42 AM

94. The automated reply will be the only visible response

It does still wind up in the admins box for their review. We just won't hear anything unless they decide to PPR the person who started the thread (and that we'll only know by checking user profiles).

Things are bad - but it is perhaps like the increased vitriol against LGBT folks at the same time we are closer than ever to obtaining recognition of our marriages. The last gasp of people who know they are about to lose.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #94)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:54 AM

100. I hope you are right. I've been fighting against this kind of stuff all my life though

And I am getting very, very tired of it.

And heartbroken to see it condoned on a site that I thought might be on our side as women.

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Response to LiberalLoner (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:25 AM

118. Yes, it is acceptable

And what's even more depressing? Unkachuck has served on 38 juries so far. With people like unkachuck judging fellow DU'ers, it's no surprise to see this OP still standing. It's a terrible system and is the main reason why I no longer have a star after 10 years of loyal support.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #118)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:45 PM

122. I wonder if we could write to Rachel Maddow about all of this if she would cover it?

After all, liberals are supposed to be on OUR side on the war against women, not AGAINST us.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 07:49 AM

78. Misspelled your user name should be UPKACHUCK!!

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:30 AM

81. I cannot believe this was juried 3-3

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:37 AM

82. and the OP is a hit and runner

flamebait for the purpose of flames.

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #82)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:21 AM

88. Yeah, I noticed that, too

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Response to maddezmom (Reply #82)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:04 AM

105. Yep

I suppose asking for a self-delete would be fruitless...

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:41 AM

91. I can't believe that some people are defending it. I feel like I'm in Twilight Zone.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #91)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:59 AM

101. This.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #91)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:20 PM

121. +1

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:44 AM

83. Femininity has nothing to do with the women's movement?

Perhaps in a way it does. The right to NOT be feminine and not be treated unfairly for it is still not fully realized.

So yeah, IMO it kinda does have something to do with the women's movement.

And something tells me all those women who don't pass your femininity test, even collectively, couldn't give a fraction of a fuck.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #83)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:45 AM

84. LOL THIS! :)

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Response to redqueen (Reply #83)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:44 AM

95. It amazes me that we can have a discussion like this when it is obvious

people have different definitions of femininity. Wiki says that femininity is more than simply being biologically female it includes "socially defined factors". I can see where conservatives and progressives would disagree on the "social defined factors".
Conservatives would conclude that femininity has nothing to do with the women's movement while progressives would disagree. I am guessing the OP is conservative.

Personally I would have a hard time identifying "socially defined factors" that define femininity.

What is your definition of femininity?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #95)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:12 AM

107. Its all the stuff that is sterotypically defined as womanly.

It's all socially constructed nonsense. If anyone, male or female, likes to be feminine, that's their right.

I personally do not find it helpful but we are products of our environment. As for me personally, Im pretty feminine, but I have the presence of mind to question it. That's the important thing, mindfulness. That's the road to progress imo. I have stopped shaving my legs and underarms because I realized I was doing that for other people and not myself. I style my hair and wear makeup for myself.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #107)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:20 AM

110. I agree it's socially constructed nonsense. nm

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Response to redqueen (Reply #83)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:42 AM

119. Great post.

The OP obviously has issues...bad ones.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #83)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:47 PM

130. Well said!

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:49 AM

85. I see the OP rec'd his own OP. I didnt think that possible. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #85)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:42 AM

93. They responded to their own poll claiming to be "feminine," too. In profile they say they are male.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #93)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:46 AM

96. I didnt know that it is possible to rec your own OP. Otherwise my OPs would have gotten

at least one rec.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #96)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:51 AM

98. You might not want to follow this one's example, though. This one is not exactly Emily Post.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #98)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:34 AM

113. I understand. nm

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 08:52 AM

86. This, on DU? Really?

Feminine THIS. And the horse you rode in on.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:17 AM

87. what exactly is "femininity?' serious question. nt

 

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Response to StarryNight (Reply #87)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:18 AM

109. Behaviors and other characteristics stereotypically associated with women.

Anything from doing your hair, wearing makeup, dressing in a 'pretty' way... to being demure in mannerisms and affecting a softer, higher pitched speaking voice than comes naturally.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:29 AM

89. You identify as male but you responded to your post claiming to be "feminine."

And you state "Most women today are not feminine."

I have a question. Do you know any women or do you spend all your time inside by yourself? Serous question.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #89)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:38 AM

90. i was thinking yesterday walking into the grocery store, seein the women scratch, spit along the way

what happened to feminism?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 09:41 AM

92. What in actual fuck?

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #92)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:04 AM

104. Ridiculous, and I'm sure it's already been alerted on.

I think it may be time for a break from this forum, for me at least.

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Response to TBF (Reply #104)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:06 AM

106. I'm feeling that way too.

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Response to TBF (Reply #104)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:07 AM

117. It was, and allowed to stand 3-3.

I'm on FB more and more these days because of horseshit like this.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:01 AM

102. Clearly we have our own morans here.

The mind shrivels.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:14 AM

108. Been a while since you've had a date, huh?

Been a while since you've had a date, huh?

Bless your little heart...

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:28 AM

111. I didn't realize DU was a dating site. n/t

 

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:30 AM

112. This OP is impressive in terms of the amount of fail in a short OP.

That's something. I guess.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 10:51 AM

115. Three points:

Last edited Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)

1- If this was meant as satire, it's Stephen Colbert on steroids. Usually I can detect satire, but I've taken this as completely serious and probably the result of intoxication.

2- If it's satire, it has no place on DU.

3- If it's serious, it DEFINITELY has no place on DU and the poster may want to consider leaving forever or at minimum, making a very sincere apology to the whole of DU.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:02 AM

116. Someone should tell this guy

That it will be a cold day in hell the next time he gets any from a women who's seen this post.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:26 PM

127. Polls hath no fury like an asshole scorned.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:28 PM

128. Other: kiss my ass

There is so much wrong with this OP and poll that I don't know where to begin. I apologize to my fellow DUers for even responding to such rubbish, but I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut where these matters are concerned.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 02:32 PM

129. I read this OP three times and I still don't understand it

maybe it's because I don't fit the offensive male stereotype depicted therein

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:03 PM

132. I find it fascinating that this offensive post still stands

while Devilgrrl's sarcastic rejoinder was hidden by jury decision. What's up with the double standard?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:06 PM

133. Well I hope this post just made your day....

You win the internets posting ignorant stupid crap award today.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:25 PM

135. Why is this still here? Sharks have been jumped today and it's disgraceful. nt

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:56 PM

136. *sigh* That's just so wrong, on so many levels.



unkachuk, - for your own good, please consider going to see a non-religious female counselor about your attitude towards women, if you can afford it.

If you listen to her, and comprehend what she is saying to you, it will broaden your understanding of the entire world immensely.

Since you are a straight man, this will profoundly improve quality of any relationships you might have with women after you finish your therapy, provided you are humble, and take what the therapist has to tell you to heart.

Good luck.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:59 PM

137. I have no words. n/t

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 03:59 PM

138. Feminity and masculinity are not real things. They're just cultural, abstract concepts.

So, a woman can appear to be less or more feminine than average to an observer, but the observer is actually only observing his or her own cultural biases.

Your OP is not about women, it is about your relationship to your constantly changing culture.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:03 PM

139. I'd probably be mad about this OP if I could understand it

Wtf are you babbling about?

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:22 PM

140. "Well, whaddaya expect. They're Canadian"



Edit: I fully acknowledge that this post may get hidden. I just want to say, right now, it was TOTALLY worth it.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:23 PM

141. Here's a monkey wrench: Who's definition of "feminine" are we using?

 

Even in the US, you'll get a thousand different answers.

Is feminine wearing lipstick? Is it dressing modestly? Immodestly?

"Feminine" is a moving target

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:35 PM

142. Well, why COULDN'T June Cleaver have been the CEO of Mobil Exxon?

Because she was pretty? Because she dressed well? Because she was mannerly and socially gracious as opposed to being someone who "scratched, spat, and cussed?"

If most women today are not feminine, I say, "HOOORAY!"


rocktivity

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 04:59 PM

143. "Aren't women more than guys without dicks?"

Your ability to prognosticate is truly outstanding.

The shit that gets passed off as credible dialog on DU has de-evolved into - "Aren't women more than guys without dicks?"


Sad. Pathetic. Wrong.

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Response to unkachuck (Original post)

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 05:00 PM

144. Locking.

Sorry this lock is so late, folks.

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