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davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 10:48 PM Aug 2016

So apparently gymnast Gabby Douglas is un-American now according to some?

People on social media are angry she didnt have her hand over her heart.

What is the obsession in this country about this kind of thing?

Gabby Douglas may have won her third gold medal yesterday, but the celebratory moment was marred with controversy and social media outrage by critics calling the Olympic all-around gold medalist “unpatriotic.”

After winning Olympic gold, the Final Five all placed their hands on their hearts while the nation’s “Star-Spangled Banner” played throughout the stadium. All except Douglas, who stood hunched over with her hands draped in front of her. The televised move garnered many negative reactions on social media with critics calling Gabby “un-American,” “unpatriotic” and “disrespectful.”

“Gabby Douglas refused to place her hand over her heart during the medal ceremony. Straight disrespect!” read one tweet following the ceremony. “This is classless and disrespectful and still would be if she was white. Show some class Gabby,” read another. One commenter even asked for Gabby to be kicked out of the Olympics all together, tweeting, “How dare Gabby Douglas not put her hand on her heart for the American National Anthem!!!! #KickGabbyOutOfOlympics


https://www.yahoo.com/news/gabby-douglas-explains-why-she-164532726.html

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So apparently gymnast Gabby Douglas is un-American now according to some? (Original Post) davidn3600 Aug 2016 OP
Next Sophiegirl Aug 2016 #1
Awful, unnecessary criticism mjjoe Aug 2016 #2
The shit petty people gripe over is so ridiculous. Ace Rothstein Aug 2016 #3
Did any of these assholes stop to consider she was so overcome emotionally,... MohRokTah Aug 2016 #4
And, She's Smiiing ProfessorGAC Aug 2016 #33
It's a good bet Uponthegears Aug 2016 #5
I don't mean to sound racist, but Nevernose Aug 2016 #8
Yes ^^^ Uponthegears Aug 2016 #9
On the other hand, the opposite's also true. Igel Aug 2016 #37
Gabby said that she was always taught to stand at attention during the National Anthem MiniMe Aug 2016 #6
As we were as kids oswaldactedalone Aug 2016 #11
Yep. That's what I and my classmates were taught as well. n/t Mister Ed Aug 2016 #14
Yes! I was taught that too. KT2000 Aug 2016 #19
A while back. Igel Aug 2016 #39
As was I Glamrock Aug 2016 #13
Not that I give a crap either way, but she isn't doing that either. whatthehey Aug 2016 #31
Yes she is obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #36
That's how I react to the national anthem.. PersonNumber503602 Aug 2016 #43
What an absurdly pointless thing to point out. sarae Aug 2016 #7
+ 1 KMOD Aug 2016 #22
She just won a gold medal for our country. Aristus Aug 2016 #10
I can't say anything about her, Igel Aug 2016 #40
Well, she deserves a lot more approbation than some shlub whose only effort Aristus Aug 2016 #41
There is nothing wrong with what she did. spooky3 Aug 2016 #12
It's par for the course with those assholes. GoCubsGo Aug 2016 #15
She doesn't have on a little flaggy pin either. Have to be banished now. lonestarnot Aug 2016 #16
Really? She was standing at attention, NOTHING WHATSOEVER wrong with that. onecaliberal Aug 2016 #17
she is probably MFM008 Aug 2016 #18
Gabby Douglas founded ISIS ! Glamrock Aug 2016 #20
Gabby Douglas founded ISIS ! LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #29
That face has nothing more to say than OMFG, I did it. Photographer Aug 2016 #21
What is the obsession? TransitJohn Aug 2016 #23
Its because she is Black. Thats it. Nothing else. The color of her skin. Nothing more. winstars Aug 2016 #24
I did a detailed statistical analysis of whether or not I care that she didn't do this Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #25
Typical outrage based on conservative ignorance. Beartracks Aug 2016 #26
As they do pretty much everything, really-- Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2016 #27
When Trump becomes president poor Gabby will be relegated to the Hunger Games True Dough Aug 2016 #28
So apparently gymnast Gabby Douglas is un-American now according to some? LenaBaby61 Aug 2016 #30
These outraged uber-Americans need to put down their Ilsa Aug 2016 #32
But Michael Phelps laughing is OK, right? muntrv Aug 2016 #34
Succeeding While A SWM obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #38
Succeeding While Black obamanut2012 Aug 2016 #35
If only LWolf Aug 2016 #42

Sophiegirl

(2,338 posts)
1. Next
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 10:52 PM
Aug 2016

The rabble will complain that Giles looked bored.

How dare she not be smiling in total gratitude and adoration during the hoisting of our flag!!!

For crying out loud, people!!

mjjoe

(260 posts)
2. Awful, unnecessary criticism
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 10:54 PM
Aug 2016

The jingoists can't even let her have that moment to enjoy what she and her teammates accomplished. Pathetic.

It's customary to put hand over heart, but it isn't required. There's no law. The fact that people attacked her for something so small says way more about those dunderheads than it does about Douglas.

Ace Rothstein

(3,160 posts)
3. The shit petty people gripe over is so ridiculous.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 10:56 PM
Aug 2016

Especially in a situation like this where one is very emotional after such a major accomplishment.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. Did any of these assholes stop to consider she was so overcome emotionally,...
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:01 PM
Aug 2016

that she simply forgot???????

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
33. And, She's Smiiing
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:04 AM
Aug 2016

She isn't protesting or making a statement. She's watching the flag being raised intently with a smile on her face.

The outrage is beyond stupid.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
5. It's a good bet
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:02 PM
Aug 2016

that if someone puts "even if she was white" in their tweet that it's only because she is black.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
8. I don't mean to sound racist, but
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:12 PM
Aug 2016

Is usually a clue that someone is about to say something very racist. Just like "I don't want to offend you, but..."

Igel

(35,300 posts)
37. On the other hand, the opposite's also true.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:28 AM
Aug 2016

If she were the only one not to put her hand over her heart and was called out for it, the only thing we'd hear is that they're calling her out only because she's black.

What's left is saying that you can't criticize her for pretty much anything because, well, her race makes her special and puts her under a special kind of grace. (That pretty much is the definition of racism.)

Catch-22s create often resentment because they're unfair.

But it's what social distrust and ill will produces on a fairly consistent basis.

MiniMe

(21,714 posts)
6. Gabby said that she was always taught to stand at attention during the National Anthem
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:07 PM
Aug 2016

A reasonable answer.

oswaldactedalone

(3,490 posts)
11. As we were as kids
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:22 PM
Aug 2016

Stand at attention for the anthem, hand over the heart for the Pledge of Allegiance.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
39. A while back.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:33 AM
Aug 2016

Now you salute the raising of the flag, the lowering of the flag, and the national anthem. That's been the case for probably longer than those on the stand in that picture have been alive.

Hand over heart is the civilian salute.

If you're in uniform (and only if you're in uniform) you have a military style salute; if not in uniform, civilian salute.

Glamrock

(11,795 posts)
13. As was I
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:25 PM
Aug 2016

When the national freak out about Obama not having his hand on his heart went down, I thought: Wtf are these people talking about? You're supposed to stand at attention! Hand on heart during pledge! Morans!"

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
10. She just won a gold medal for our country.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:20 PM
Aug 2016

The haters can either get up off their lazy white asses and do something useful with their pathetic empty lives, or shut the front door...

Igel

(35,300 posts)
40. I can't say anything about her,
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:18 AM
Aug 2016

but a number of athletes contending have basically said the "country" bit is just cover for what they do for themselves.

They don't do it for their country; they do it for themselves, but expect the country to be grateful for it.

"Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you."


Aristus

(66,316 posts)
41. Well, she deserves a lot more approbation than some shlub whose only effort
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:26 AM
Aug 2016

on behalf of his country is flying a dirty, tattered American flag from the bed of his rusted-out old Ford F-150.

The brain-dead uber-patriots make me sick...

spooky3

(34,439 posts)
12. There is nothing wrong with what she did.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:23 PM
Aug 2016

It's a perfectly respectful stance.

What is the matter with people?

GoCubsGo

(32,079 posts)
15. It's par for the course with those assholes.
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:30 PM
Aug 2016

A couple of days ago, I was reading an article on how unfortunate it was for her to miss out on the all-around, because they only allow two people per country. Several people commented on how she was "the weak link" on the team. Never mind that she came in 3rd OVERALL--in front of everyone else, and including 2 of her teammates, who apparently are a stronger link, even thought they came in behind her. The one who is only on the team because she's good on the uneven bars...not the weak link. Nope. Nuh uh. SMH. I'd bet my house that a lot of it was racially-motivated, too. Of course, they also fat-shamed a Mexican gymnast and an Ethiopian male swimmer...

Soical media sucks.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
24. Its because she is Black. Thats it. Nothing else. The color of her skin. Nothing more.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 03:37 AM
Aug 2016

Michelle Obama's bare arms... OMG!!!

They constantly invent new rules.

Has our President ever been able to take a vacation without essentially being called "shiftless and lazy"????

Right wing scum are, in fact, scum...

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. I did a detailed statistical analysis of whether or not I care that she didn't do this
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 03:41 AM
Aug 2016

the results are conclusive, it would be mathematically impossible for me to give less of a shit.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
26. Typical outrage based on conservative ignorance.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:06 AM
Aug 2016

Hand over the heart is for the Pledge of Allegiance. Not for the National Anthem.

And if I recall, military personnel salute when the American flag is being raised, but not civilians. And even then, I'm not sure that the "hoisting" of the American flag at an Olympic awards ceremony is the same thing as "raising the flag."

Conservative poutrage over this incident is just another shining example of how conservatives criticize from a position of ignorance.

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True Dough

(17,302 posts)
28. When Trump becomes president poor Gabby will be relegated to the Hunger Games
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:41 AM
Aug 2016

to pay for her "unpatriotic behavior!"

Ilsa

(61,694 posts)
32. These outraged uber-Americans need to put down their
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 09:00 AM
Aug 2016

tweeting devices or handhelds and go get their asses to a VA hospital or VFW or recruitment center and get their asses in the fight or busy with volunteering instead of tearing down a great American like Gabby.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
42. If only
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:05 AM
Aug 2016

they would save their outrage for things that actually matter.

I'd love to turn all that determined energy towards demands for economic and social justice, for example.

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