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What is a "no more war asshole"? (Original Post) stone space Jul 2016 OP
Who's "us"? Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #1
Folks opposed to war. (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #3
Oh. I don't think that quote refers to you Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #6
If I had a boom mike, I'd scream it at the top of my lungs. (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #12
I'm sure that would achieve all your goals Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #13
Perhaps silence would be better? (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #14
Pssst...the world is not binary. There are shades of grey. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #23
I've ben told below that GOP delegates didn't voice any opposition to war at their convention. stone space Jul 2016 #25
No. I absolutely believe we should be able to express our disagreements... AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #32
It would have been good had GOP delegates voiced opposition to war. stone space Jul 2016 #33
But, it wasn't good when the protestors chanted last night. blue neen Jul 2016 #115
How have the shades of grey been doing for us? DanM Jul 2016 #71
Was there an anti war march that I missed? AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #98
To what effective and precise end? LanternWaste Jul 2016 #96
Oh hell, some of those people are so out of touch with what's going on its pathetic. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #2
Amazing, isn't it? Hissyspit Jul 2016 #4
People who don't want anymore wars are not assholes. Quite the opposite. demmiblue Jul 2016 #5
+1000000! Sad but not surprising. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2016 #15
..... bigwillq Jul 2016 #18
Oh, they are most definitely assholes of the worst kind. DetlefK Jul 2016 #68
No more war asshole here. tecelote Jul 2016 #84
There are no words to describe how stupid your idea is. DetlefK Jul 2016 #86
Can't be much more stupid than what we have tried and failed so far can it? tecelote Jul 2016 #90
Your proposal is pretty much exactly what has been tried and failed. DetlefK Jul 2016 #93
You know about our occupation right? tecelote Jul 2016 #95
To repeat: DetlefK Jul 2016 #97
Of course, the bull in the china shop ... GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #110
Whom would you ask to clean up the mess the US made? DetlefK Jul 2016 #111
Yes, I'm sure "We're going to stand by and not prevent you from being killed" will win hearts. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #103
Bombing anyone is wrong ymetca Jul 2016 #126
There are those who consider war a business opportunity dflprincess Jul 2016 #7
that comment was utterly appalling.... mike_c Jul 2016 #8
Apparently we have some neocons in the Democratic Party. runaway hero Jul 2016 #9
The asshole part is screaming it at Democratic speakers at our convention. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #10
There's nothing wrong with screaming "no more war" at any political convention. stone space Jul 2016 #11
why don't they scream it at the repuke party? Skittles Jul 2016 #17
Because they didn't get elected as delegates to the GOP convention? stone space Jul 2016 #19
I MEAN EVER Skittles Jul 2016 #48
Because they weren't Republican delegates? LeftyMom Jul 2016 #20
I MEAN *EVER* Skittles Jul 2016 #49
And the basis of this assumption is what, exactly? LeftyMom Jul 2016 #50
LOL Skittles Jul 2016 #53
But you see, it IS worth the time of the 'no more war assholes.' pangaia Jul 2016 #76
Because Democrats are about as likely to wage war as Republicans? n/t ronnie624 Jul 2016 #21
do you really think Skittles Jul 2016 #54
I doubt that many here question the Afganistan War. Lancero Jul 2016 #56
both were wars of choice Skittles Jul 2016 #125
WTF is Biden talking about here? nationalize the fed Jul 2016 #57
That whole ... theory or whatever it is, the paranoia around those three words- is inane. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #65
No it's "run for Mars" now, dude ymetca Jul 2016 #127
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE SHAMBLING MOUND BEHIND THE CURTAIN Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #128
do you really think under a Dem prez no war wouldn't have started anywhere? DanM Jul 2016 #73
The Democrats did not start any of the wars. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #85
Intervention in the ME began long before ISIS and George Bush. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #109
Actually Democrats did indeed start any of these wars. Glassunion Jul 2016 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #106
It's a whole new DU. stranger81 Jul 2016 #16
Moderate, centrist Democrats (Bill Clinton, Pres Obama, soon Hillary) WIN elections Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #24
"No more war assholes" may not be a majority, but it's good for our voices to be heard. (nt) stone space Jul 2016 #34
I never called anyone a no more war asshole Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #35
Oh, I know. Just sticking with the earlier terminology. stone space Jul 2016 #36
really? Is that why under the centrists we now have a REpuke house and senate? Cobalt Violet Jul 2016 #47
Presidents. House and Senate candidates obviously have to be tailored to the state and district. Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #59
" House and Senate candidates obviously have to be tailored to the state and district." pangaia Jul 2016 #79
Moderate, centrist Democrats (Bill Clinton, Pres Obama, soon Hillary) WIN elections PassingFair Jul 2016 #116
I am not in favour of TTIP and TPP as currently written Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #117
Why do you think she is against it now? PassingFair Jul 2016 #118
I am pragmatic. I prefer centrists who are moderated by the left Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #119
To each his own. PassingFair Jul 2016 #120
FDR was a pragmatist in many ways. Grey Lemercier Jul 2016 #121
There are "no more war assholes"? pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #22
I'll stand there with you! Victor_c3 Jul 2016 #94
Warmongers are shitty people. Rex Jul 2016 #129
Yeah, we used to be Peace Creeps in a kinder age Warpy Jul 2016 #26
And Pinkos pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #30
+1,000 malaise Jul 2016 #81
Try not to confuse the reaction of a few people with the Majority DU viewpoint emulatorloo Jul 2016 #27
I think you self-answered the question didnt you? pkdu Jul 2016 #28
I don't think I've answered it, but I'll wear the label proudly, if necessary. stone space Jul 2016 #31
War bankrupts us. Emotionally and financally. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #29
And for too many of us, physically and mentally pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #37
Definitely and their families too. avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #38
Yes, I saw yui's post--and I've also lost friends that way, including my best friend pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #43
I knew the VA was not up to snuff for out vets on many things...but I didn't think they avaistheone1 Jul 2016 #46
VA health care overall is EXCELLENT! pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #52
Hey man.... A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #39
We got a lot of smoke in the AV for a couple days pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #44
Indeed A HERETIC I AM Jul 2016 #51
I remember that about you. I arrived here in 2000. pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #55
+1 merrily Jul 2016 #41
This is new to me. And very serious to me. merrily Jul 2016 #40
I've come to the conclusion that this is just a simple case of out-and-out trolling. stone space Jul 2016 #42
Is DU the only place you've seen the term? merrily Jul 2016 #45
I don't post in many online forums. stone space Jul 2016 #100
Thank you. That is so much more effective than fighting the online war, merrily Jul 2016 #101
It's okay to be against war. I'm against war. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #58
Forget the chaff, enjoy the wheat pinboy3niner Jul 2016 #60
You said it, man. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #63
I think you answered your own question. It is an epithet that The Second Stone Jul 2016 #61
I'd much rather be a "no more war asshole" than a more war asshole. Cobalt Violet Jul 2016 #62
Those "so-called Dems" anoNY42 Jul 2016 #64
Because you don't own the party malaise Jul 2016 #66
The OP is anti war and is speaking of a post that referred to peace seekers as 'no more war Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #91
My bad n/t malaise Jul 2016 #92
I can explain. I have met a bunch of those on DU. DetlefK Jul 2016 #67
But keeping on bombing civilians will not fix the problem either. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #69
Saying that my answer is wrong does not make your answer any right. DetlefK Jul 2016 #70
That works both ways. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #74
Yes, but we already know the consequences of my demand. DetlefK Jul 2016 #78
Speaking of consequences... nationalize the fed Jul 2016 #75
You can clearly see anoNY42 Jul 2016 #77
Please don't try to switch topics and instead answer my question. DetlefK Jul 2016 #82
The outcome of "not bombing ISIS" anoNY42 Jul 2016 #105
Au contraire. "Not bombing ISIS" has been attempted. January to September of 2014. DetlefK Jul 2016 #113
I don't understand why you think the bombing is working. anoNY42 Jul 2016 #114
The "Hate-America-First" people. Odin2005 Jul 2016 #87
They exist too, but they have been around on DU since George W. Bush. DetlefK Jul 2016 #89
Someone who in effect is saying that bad things are bad. randome Jul 2016 #72
Context matters. I think most people here are against war. ecstatic Jul 2016 #80
Members of the CA delegation at the DNC who are having a tantrum. Starry Messenger Jul 2016 #83
Because being a crude heckler makes you an asshole and doesn't change people's minds? Odin2005 Jul 2016 #88
I appauld the sentiment ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #99
DU was the first place I ever heard the term "chickenhawk".... actslikeacarrot Jul 2016 #102
If someone makes a generalization and you think it applies to you, that's on you. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #104
Would those who deride "no more war assholes" be willing for their kids to be drafted? raccoon Jul 2016 #107
I prefer "No More War, Assholes" Nevernose Jul 2016 #108
Anyone who believes that all wars are wrong, as opposed to most. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #122
I'd imagine it refers to someone who criticizes a problem, yet offers no solution... LanternWaste Jul 2016 #123
We've been at war since the fucking 80's. Isn't it time to end this madness? Initech Jul 2016 #124
 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
25. I've ben told below that GOP delegates didn't voice any opposition to war at their convention.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jul 2016

That seems to me to be a huge difference between the Democratic Party and the GOP.

(Admittedly, I was out of the country at the time, so I am taking folks word for that here, but it does make me wonder why the perspectives of GOP delegates are being pushed here at DU over the perspectives of Democratic delegates when it comes to war. Should we not be able to express our own opinions, also, or must we all simply mimic the GOP delegates' opinions?)


AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
32. No. I absolutely believe we should be able to express our disagreements...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jul 2016

But there is a difference between expressing a concern and disrupting. It is never ok to me to interrupt and heckle someone when they are speaking. Never. Not only is it rude to the speaker, but it also is offensive to those trying to listen to the speech or enjoy the convention.

I'm sorry, but when people are disrupting it does nothing for their cause. In fact, I think it takes away whatever credibility they may have. Go protest outside. Go protest on the mall in Washington. Plan for it and make it big. And no one should disrupt the protest.

The only opposition I saw the GOP delegates try to make was to change the rules so that they didn't have to elect trump. And it looked like they got shut down pretty quick. I don't think they could protest. It would have been nice to see them protest outside.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
115. But, it wasn't good when the protestors chanted last night.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jul 2016

It took the meaning of their cause away completely.

Everyone has a right to free speech and the courage of their convictions----those protestors chose the wrong time and place. Everyone last night was trying to unite our Democratic Party. It's imperative that we win this election because Donald Trump is a dangerous man who has the potential to get ALL of us into a war very quickly.

I'm sorry, but they just looked like they wanted attention. Another time and place, and they could have gotten a good point across.

Thanks for listening.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
98. Was there an anti war march that I missed?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

Was there an anti war sit in at the capitol?

Was there anything besides the boos and disruptive tactics here at the convention? If there was, then, I missed it. That is the shade of grey I am talking about. Not whether you are for or against it. Although, there are shades of grey in that too. I just don't see how being disruptive at a convention helps further the cause. The decisions to go to war don't hinge on speech disruptions. All I am saying is that it does nothing for the antiwar movement to be rude. Do a national march that shows the power in numbers instead.

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
5. People who don't want anymore wars are not assholes. Quite the opposite.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:56 PM
Jul 2016

Sad to see that sentiment here.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
68. Oh, they are most definitely assholes of the worst kind.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jul 2016

"No more war assholes" think that all the problems that are the fault of the US, e.g. destabilization of Iraq, will magically be solved once the US walks away and ignores the problems.

For example:
According to what they wrote here on DU, they think that bombing ISIS is wrong. The US destabilized Iraq and created ISIS and according to them, trying to stop ISIS from killing/torturing/raping will only make the situation worse.

The funny thing is, these "no more war assholes" adamantly refuse to respond when challenged to think about the consequences of their demands.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
84. No more war asshole here.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:20 AM
Jul 2016

Use our military might to support and aid doctors, engineers and teachers. Rebuild the countries we toppled.

Win the hearts and minds of the citizens and we win the war.

We have to stop interfering with other countries governments. Saddam was bad and killed his own people so we decide to depose him and kill more people. We have to stop. IT HAS NOT WORKED!

Humanitarian aid backed by the mightiest military in the world.

The solution.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
86. There are no words to describe how stupid your idea is.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:30 AM
Jul 2016

How exactly would the US-military "support" the hundreds of doctors, engineers and teachers in a country rife with ethnic strife, civil-war and terrorism?
With boots-on-the-ground guarding them during work.

How would the US "rebuild countries" rife with ethnic strife, civil-war and terrorism?
With boots-on-the-ground guarding projects.

How would the US win hearts and minds by standing by while ISIS kills/rapes/tortures andsoforth?
It wouldn't. The US would get blamed for not helping.

How would "rebuilding a country" steer clear of interfering with foreign governments?
It wouldn't. It would need coordination with government and influence the social/economic/political situation on the ground.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
90. Can't be much more stupid than what we have tried and failed so far can it?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jul 2016

ISIS is thriving by your own account. Maybe when your stuck in a hole, digging deeper is not the answer. You have to change course and dig out.

When someone, or some country, kills your family, hate is natural. That's why we are creating more terrorists than we are killing.

The problem with my solution is that it does not include enough profit and it does not keep America scared (seems to be your job).

Shit. My insurance company offers terrorist insurance. Like I have the slightest chance of being attacked compared to a snake bite.

You're drunk on the Koolaid and furthering the moral and ethical decline of our citizens.

Wake up.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
93. Your proposal is pretty much exactly what has been tried and failed.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jul 2016

It would be the occupation of Iraq all over again, except this time the occupation covers Iraq and Syria and this time the bad guys are ISIS.



Let's put some flesh to the bone:

Describe how a hypothetical scenario of your proposal would play out.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
95. You know about our occupation right?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:02 AM
Jul 2016

My proposal is not to topple governments. It's to rebuild and get out.

Sorry if I'm not as versed in the specifics as much as you'd like. I'm not running for office. I'm giving you my opinion that anti-war assholes are far better than war mongers. It's that simple.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
97. To repeat:
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:15 AM
Jul 2016

You cannot rebuild anything in Iraq/Syria without providing some bodyguards to the projects and the people doing the work. And by your own suggestion, those people would be US-soldiers.

GeorgeGist

(25,311 posts)
110. Of course, the bull in the china shop ...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:07 AM
Jul 2016

should clean up it's mess. How stupid to think otherwise.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
103. Yes, I'm sure "We're going to stand by and not prevent you from being killed" will win hearts.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jul 2016

Brilliant plan there, chief. What strain of weed can we thank for your inspiration there?

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
10. The asshole part is screaming it at Democratic speakers at our convention.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:10 PM
Jul 2016

Not the sentiment of "no more war".

They are assholes.

Were they protesting the orange con man and the rest of the right-wingers?

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
11. There's nothing wrong with screaming "no more war" at any political convention.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 11:20 PM
Jul 2016

Would that we were all such assholes, and all of the time.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
19. Because they didn't get elected as delegates to the GOP convention?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:14 AM
Jul 2016

You seem to be upset at the wrong people, here.

The folks who got elected as delegates to the Democratic convention are not the same folks who got elected as delegates to the GOP convention.

Which GOP candidate had antiwar delegates? I missed the convention. I was out of the country for the past month, and just got back yesterday. I missed it, so I'm not sure which GOP candidate's delegates you are referring to here.

A lot has happened since I left the country in late June, and I'm afraid that I missed it all.

Are you telling me that GOP delegates are not as anti-war as Democratic delegates?

And that this proves the superiority of GOP delegates over those moronic anti-war Democratic delegates?













Skittles

(153,113 posts)
54. do you really think
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jul 2016

if 9/11 had happened under a Dem prez they would have started wars in Afghanistan and Iraq?

Lancero

(3,002 posts)
56. I doubt that many here question the Afganistan War.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:44 AM
Jul 2016

We did have grounds for that.

The Iraq war, well... Their are reasons that many refer to that one as a mistake and why many who voted for it in the past now regret it.

Afganistan would have happened either way, though Iraq would have had a chance of not happening.

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
57. WTF is Biden talking about here?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:51 AM
Jul 2016


You'd think that more people would care about these statements. But they don't. They "Trust" the politicians that spout them out of their mouths.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
65. That whole ... theory or whatever it is, the paranoia around those three words- is inane.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:15 AM
Jul 2016

Sorry, but it is. There's no other way to put it. There's no fucking magic spooky illuminati mojo around the words "new world order". It's not like saying Voldemort.

Rather, it's been a logical term to use in conversations about geopolitics, particularly in the window of time when the cold war was ending and the old "world order" which had held tenuously stable through the dangerous threat of mutual assured destruction since the end of WWII, was ending due to the fall of communism.

OH MY GOD! THEY SAID NEW WORLD ORDER! BOHEMIAN GROVE BABY-EATING ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!

Derp.

Don't you think that if they REALLY were really all in on a "New World Order" plan that was some spooky conspiracy, they wouldn't keep calling it that? Don't you think they would come up with a more creative name, at least? Something not so damn obvious or easy to put in a sentence by accident by someone not "in the know"?

Like I said. Inane. It's as if someone decided "my fellow Americans" was some code by the international Nickelback conspiracy to make everyone listen to Nickelback.

YOU LAUGH, BUT EVERY TIME A POLITICIAN OPENS THEIR MOUTH THEY SAY "MY FELLOW AMERICANS!"



RUN FOR THE HILLS!

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
127. No it's "run for Mars" now, dude
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jul 2016

Clearly you are not getting your Bob newsletter anymore, you transhumanist slacker!

 

DanM

(341 posts)
73. do you really think under a Dem prez no war wouldn't have started anywhere?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016

if so, you lack realism on how hawkish some Dem politicians are, or how some others can't resist caving to populist war-lust after attacks on us by foreigners.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
85. The Democrats did not start any of the wars.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jul 2016

But what now? Do we abandon the middle easts to Isis or some other radical group? How do we walk away without millions dying there because of George Bush's interference? The entire region is destabilized. It is very difficult to stop wars once they start...and please take a moment to review the video footage of what happened in Vietnam after we left. Millions died, and it was completely our fault. What about those who have helped us in Iraq or Afghanistan-what will happen to them? It is easy to chant meaningless drivel but coming up with a plan...well that is a bit more difficult. Consider that Bill Clinton handled the Ukraine without war and did not invade any country. I think we can expect much the same from Hillary who is not a war hawk despite slander hurled at her. And I don't see how one vote makes Hillary a war monger especially when Kerry and a host of other liberals voted the same way and never had to account for their vote. I think it amounts to an excuse for those who hate Hillary because their candidate lost or who fell right wing propaganda.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
109. Intervention in the ME began long before ISIS and George Bush.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:02 AM
Jul 2016

The Western approach has not produced a positive result yet. But why would it? It is completely self-serving. Waging war, supporting radical elements (whichever happens to be most useful at a given time), displacing millions of people and causing general chaos, actually makes ISIS possible. If it wasn't ISIS, it would be called something else, and we would still be taking a sledgehammer to vulnerable societies and creating the conditions most conducive to religious and political extremism. It's time to re-examine our motives in the ME.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
112. Actually Democrats did indeed start any of these wars.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:10 AM
Jul 2016

The Iraq Resolution (Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002) was affirmatively voted for by 82 democrats in the house, and 29 in the senate. If they had voted no, then the resolution would not have passed.

We need to accept our culpability in the current state of the Middle East, and work to undo the damage we have caused.

Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #10)

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
24. Moderate, centrist Democrats (Bill Clinton, Pres Obama, soon Hillary) WIN elections
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:47 AM
Jul 2016

and govern well. The farther left, the non realists (IMHO), never even get close. I am by temperament, philosophy, and practice a moderate centrist, and I am glad my archetype wins out. I realise many on here are not in agreement with me, but frankly, in the real world, they are dwarfed in numbers by the political centre left, moderates and indies' size.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
36. Oh, I know. Just sticking with the earlier terminology.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:17 AM
Jul 2016

Not trying to put that one on you, personally.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
59. Presidents. House and Senate candidates obviously have to be tailored to the state and district.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 04:49 AM
Jul 2016

but you knew that


The national electorate does not have a far left tilt. The last real left wing liberal elected was FDR.

on edit

do not want to argue over LBJ

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
79. " House and Senate candidates obviously have to be tailored to the state and district."
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:11 AM
Jul 2016

No, states and districts have been tailored to the House and Senate.

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
116. Moderate, centrist Democrats (Bill Clinton, Pres Obama, soon Hillary) WIN elections
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

And then they pass shit like NAFTA

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
117. I am not in favour of TTIP and TPP as currently written
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jul 2016

Neither is Sec Clinton. I am in favour of free trade as long as it has fair trade protections.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
119. I am pragmatic. I prefer centrists who are moderated by the left
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:05 PM
Jul 2016

much more than far left moderated by centrists.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
94. I'll stand there with you!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jul 2016

I haven't experienced what weapons do to my own body, but I've seen firsthand what it does to others.

My experience has been that anyone who is frothing at the mouth for a war has never really experienced it as up close and personally as an infantryman has.

I'm not going to say that there never has been or never will be a just war - but most wars certainly aren't that. The song Black Sabbath song "War Pigs" comes to mind.

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
26. Yeah, we used to be Peace Creeps in a kinder age
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jul 2016

War is ruinous to the nation and it's time to get more No More War Assholes into power.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
28. I think you self-answered the question didnt you?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 01:52 AM
Jul 2016

..Oh , and why didn't the brave assholes try that shot when the President was speaking if they feel so strongly ? The people they were interrupting worked for President Obama.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
37. And for too many of us, physically and mentally
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:26 AM
Jul 2016

We need to remember the troops and vets who bear the most direct costs. And too many Gold Star families.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
43. Yes, I saw yui's post--and I've also lost friends that way, including my best friend
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:56 AM
Jul 2016

"There, but for the Grace of God..." I had my own close calls, but somehow I survived. So I know intimately how that feels and why it happens.

Veterans today are taking a pledge. That when things get bad, they will not act before contacting a buddy or sister vet. I recently took that pledge.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
46. I knew the VA was not up to snuff for out vets on many things...but I didn't think they
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jul 2016

would be so bad, and so cold to vets' mental health needs.

Good for you pinboy. Good buddies will always have your back.

Nice talking with you.

Good night.


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
52. VA health care overall is EXCELLENT!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:28 AM
Jul 2016

Veterans constantly attest to that, which is why Repubican efforts to privatize veterans' care have failed.

Most problems are with the administration of the system, especially in processing claims. Incidents like the one yui posted about are not the norm, but in such a vast system gross fuckups do happen and get attention.

Replacing the VA with private health care for vets, as Trump wants, would be TERRIBLE for vets!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
39. Hey man....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:34 AM
Jul 2016

Is the smoke from the Santa Clarita fire blowing up to the valley? Or is it headed the other way?

I was out there once a week for the better part of the last 2 months, but the driver I was replacing is now back on the job.

So...I won't be back out your way for a while and was wondering how that fire was affecting the Antelope Valley, if at all.

All the best, and stay safe.


Paul

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
44. We got a lot of smoke in the AV for a couple days
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:07 AM
Jul 2016

It was so bad that I avoided going out.

A friend drove her horse trailer out to rescue some of the horses there. She normally does mustang rescue, but when this started she rushed out to help the Sand Fire evacuees and and guest-board their horses. No charge. And that's how she referred to the horses--as her guests.

It may be a red area of California, but as you know we have a lot of good people here.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,362 posts)
51. Indeed
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:27 AM
Jul 2016

I trust you recall I mentioned my residence in Palmdale from late '01 through '04. I drove the 14 freeway many, many times up from Santa Clarita/I 5. There are certainly scores of properties in that lower portion of the 14 corridor that have horses. It's good to hear the helping hands are at work.

An unsettling situation, at least. A terrifying one at most.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
55. I remember that about you. I arrived here in 2000.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:42 AM
Jul 2016

The high desert would not have been my choice of a place to go. I prefer green, and trees, even the jungle from my war. But I have a brother here, so...here I am. And now my brother and I are the last of our family.

I've made a lot of friends here--Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and conservatives. We work together on veteran and community projects and politics rarely comes up (though some consider me their 'token Liberal', lol).

My conservative friends know I've gone down to L.A. for Occupy actions and other progressive protests. No problem besides a little good-natured ribbing both ways.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
100. I don't post in many online forums.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

In the real world, I'm more used to simply being arrested for expressing my anti-war views without all the vitriol that one encounters online.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
101. Thank you. That is so much more effective than fighting the online war,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

though, of course, harder on you.

If there is an organization you favor for fighting the war on wars, please DU mail me its name.

I would really appreciate it.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
58. It's okay to be against war. I'm against war.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 03:57 AM
Jul 2016

Loudly heckling and shouting over the speakers at our convention this week, on the other hand, is what makes one an asshole.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
60. Forget the chaff, enjoy the wheat
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:04 AM
Jul 2016

Focusing on protests only detracts from what is a GREAT convention, and especilally a great night tonight. The speeches were fantastic, capped by a briliant speech by President Obama.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
63. You said it, man.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:03 AM
Jul 2016

I was really, really blown away. Especially by The President. That was a simply incredible speech.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
61. I think you answered your own question. It is an epithet that
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jul 2016

some people have used to describe "us". Perhaps you should name them and thus shame them and they might stop it, or at least the rest of the world would know who they are and what you are talking about.

Cobalt Violet

(9,905 posts)
62. I'd much rather be a "no more war asshole" than a more war asshole.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 05:45 AM
Jul 2016

I don't know why any More War Asshole would be sitting around their mom's basement typing away on DU vs out fighting the wars they monger for. Like war hawks everywhere they always want someone else to do the fighting and dying for them.

malaise

(268,695 posts)
66. Because you don't own the party
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jul 2016

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and your opinion isn't the only one - no more war means exactly what it says.

Pause and go figure how long we've been bombing people's countries for our interests.

Sorry - missed the context of your OP

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
91. The OP is anti war and is speaking of a post that referred to peace seekers as 'no more war
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jul 2016

assholes'. He is not name calling, but being name called.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
67. I can explain. I have met a bunch of those on DU.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:16 AM
Jul 2016

"No more war assholes" have the opinion that conflicts can be solved by walking away and ignoring them.

Example:
There will be peace in the Middle-East as soon as the US stops bombing ISIS. Just walk away and the problem is solved.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
69. But keeping on bombing civilians will not fix the problem either.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:36 AM
Jul 2016

In case you forgot, that's how this mess got started.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
70. Saying that my answer is wrong does not make your answer any right.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jul 2016

What are the consequences of your demand?

Please describe a hypothetical Middle-East in the near future where the US stopped bombing ISIS.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
78. Yes, but we already know the consequences of my demand.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jul 2016

How about you describe the consequences of your demand and then we compare which one is the better solution?

nationalize the fed

(2,169 posts)
75. Speaking of consequences...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:00 AM
Jul 2016

What do you think this accomplished?

Pentagon: Investigation into Syria airstrike that killed civilians ongoing



WASHINGTON — U.S. Central Command is proceeding with a formal investigation into an airstrike in Syria last week that reportedly killed scores of civilians, a U.S. official based in Baghdad said Wednesday.

Following an initial assessment by the military of the airstrike, which took place July 19 near the city of Manbij, a more extensive investigation has begun, said Col. Chris Garver, the spokesman for Operation Inherent Resolve.

“Based on internal and external information that we have – things that we saw during the fight and things we saw in social media,” Central Command determined “the information was credible enough to warrant a formal investigation,” Garver told reporters at the Pentagon...
http://www.stripes.com/news/pentagon-investigation-into-syria-airstrike-that-killed-civilians-ongoing-1.421200


If you saw your parents literally blown apart in front of you by a drone bomb, how do you think you'd feel, and what do you think you would do?
 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
77. You can clearly see
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jul 2016

the words "Ahmed + ISIS 4ever" carved into those olive trees inside of a drawing of a heart...

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
82. Please don't try to switch topics and instead answer my question.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jul 2016

We already know what the outcome of "bombing ISIS" is. It has been over all the newspapers everywhere for the last 10 years.

How about you tell me more about the outcome of "not bombing ISIS", so we can compare which proposal is better and which is worse?

 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
105. The outcome of "not bombing ISIS"
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
Jul 2016

No one really knows, since it has not been attempted. If we (America) were to stop bombing ISIS, perhaps others would start doing so, or perhaps not. It would save us some cash, that is for sure, at least on bombs and jet fuel.

As you say, we tried bombing ISIS and we see where it gets us. Why not now try "not bombing" ISIS and see where that gets us?

If you truly believe we have to "do something" because ISIS is bad, why do we not have the same obligation for other groups around the world who are bad? Hell, North Korea is an entire, actual country where the government has enslaved its own people, the government explicitly wishes us harm, AND they have the means to harm us! Why not bomb them before they bomb us, same as ISIS?

 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
114. I don't understand why you think the bombing is working.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jul 2016

ISIS came from other terrorist groups, of course we have been bombing those groups all along. The groups names have changed frequently over time, according to you Wiki source.

This is the funny part: we have even had troops on the ground, thousands of them, during that time. And yet ISIS still exists today in its current form.

ISIS did not just "pop up" on 01/01/2014, begging to be bombed (with us supposedly looking the other way). The ideas and people existed previously, even at times when we were in fact bombing them.

The bombs and jet fuel are a waste of our tax dollars. Military might cannot stop an idea. We have killed scores of "#2 men", but there are always others moving up to take the "#2" spot. The more muslims we kill, the more we are hated by previously moderate muslims.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
89. They exist too, but they have been around on DU since George W. Bush.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jul 2016

The anti-Bush hysteria sometimes got weird. He got personally blamed for things that are simply systemic problems of US-society and and US-politics as a whole.


The "no war assholes" are pretty new.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
72. Someone who in effect is saying that bad things are bad.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

ecstatic

(32,652 posts)
80. Context matters. I think most people here are against war.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:12 AM
Jul 2016

And most of us here want democrats to win in November, which makes us a little touchy when protesters are shouting down our convention speakers.

ismnotwasm

(41,965 posts)
99. I appauld the sentiment
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

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But as they say, doubt the veracity.

Chanting "No more war', is of course laudable. I will even give the benefit of the doubt that the protesters didn't come up with that particular chant to garner sympathy and not look as bad as they did when booing civil rights icons.

It's hard though. I get the impression the protesters just want to make noise, and came up with the one chant that they thought would give them a pass on their General assholery.

Is there a new war in the offing? Or is it, you know--an all purpose chant about war?

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
102. DU was the first place I ever heard the term "chickenhawk"....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jul 2016

....back when I was just a lurker, so around late 2002, early 2003 timeframe. I took it to mean anyone who supports a military action but doesn't want to serve themselves. Do we now have "chickenhawks" on DU?

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
104. If someone makes a generalization and you think it applies to you, that's on you.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jul 2016

No one forced you to say "Hey, that's me!" when you heard someone say "no more war asshole."

raccoon

(31,105 posts)
107. Would those who deride "no more war assholes" be willing for their kids to be drafted?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016


Is there an emoticon for crickets?

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
108. I prefer "No More War, Assholes"
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jul 2016

To the No More War Assholes.

But that's just me. I'm sure a few hundred more cruise missiles launched at civilian areas in third world shit holes will make the world a better place any day now...

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
122. Anyone who believes that all wars are wrong, as opposed to most.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jul 2016

I'm Jewish; I wouldn't be here if not for WWII. *Most* wars are not worth fighting, but absolutist pacifism is not a position I respect.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
123. I'd imagine it refers to someone who criticizes a problem, yet offers no solution...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

I'd imagine it refers to someone who righteously and passionately criticizes a problem we all see as such, yet offers no practical solution, regardless of the pretense that requiring a solution labels one as a "so-called" Democrat.

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