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RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:41 PM Jul 2016

From a communication standpoint, "nothingburger" is such a juvenile and silly term

that, to me, it screams overcompensation. It's as if the speaker is protesting the concern too much. It's like a dismissal. I don't recommend the term if one wants to make a point.

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From a communication standpoint, "nothingburger" is such a juvenile and silly term (Original Post) RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 OP
I had to look it up leftstreet Jul 2016 #1
I guess I knew what it meant from context, and I certainly can see how it is useful language, RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #4
OK, that's quite a different criticism from "overcompensation" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #27
Sorry I was unclear. It is an overcompensation of casualness and dismissal. It seems an underserious RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #28
"an overcompensation of casualness and dismissal"? No, that doesn't help. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #30
I'm comfortable with my (admittedly) poetically contradictory description. RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #32
I know you are, but what am I? FSogol Jul 2016 #2
Exactly! There's an "i'm rubber-yer-glue" feel to it. RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #5
Besides that, nothingburgers are not very tasty and leave one just as hungry as before. Rex Jul 2016 #3
"much ado about nothing" is better, Shakespearian and has the same meaning. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #6
I was intentionally trying to avoid and allude to it at the same time. RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #9
Horrible mix of comm scholar type and English Major here emulatorloo Jul 2016 #13
Well, when I used it this morning I was overcompensating for my tiny penis. Scuba Jul 2016 #7
I thought it was a critique of the term when you used it. RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #11
My post wasn't about etymology, but you're essentially correct. Scuba Jul 2016 #12
Guns. Guns are the only thing that compensate for my diminutive little general. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2016 #23
If you hang around DU long enough, cwydro Jul 2016 #8
Google 'nothingburger', the term is everywhere not just DU emulatorloo Jul 2016 #10
No, it's not everywhere - it's here and probably one or two other message boards. closeupready Jul 2016 #17
You must have a different Google than I have emulatorloo Jul 2016 #18
I've not seen it anywhere but here, as I said. cwydro Jul 2016 #20
Ok thanks for the clarification! emulatorloo Jul 2016 #21
Yes, as used by the obviously juvenile and silly Charles Pierce muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #24
Is a nothingburger topped with awesomesauce? Initech Jul 2016 #14
The term makes sense to me. It's clear and concise NightWatcher Jul 2016 #15
I was never confused by the term and I am familiar with some of the ways language changes. RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #19
Yup. Like "woo" or "mansplain", the vocabulary of internet message board junkies closeupready Jul 2016 #16
Real life has been using it for 20 years. See #24 (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Jul 2016 #31
I too pretend to know common, nation-wide vernacular in an attempt to look more clever. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #35
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Jul 2016 #36
At the end of the day----I like a good nothingbuger panader0 Jul 2016 #22
From a "communication standpoint", what term should be used? Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #26
Well, I am not really into "should use," but I would recommend more than a single word of slang. RadiationTherapy Jul 2016 #29
That takes effort, and facts. When you are lazy and/or don't have facts on your side, closeupready Jul 2016 #33
Not to mention... CanSocDem Jul 2016 #34
"dumbing down of a generation" - wow, you "win the internet today", lol. closeupready Jul 2016 #37
"an emoticon for every point of view, and at least a dozen specifically for Laughing In Your Face" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #38
If this here all mattered, maybe I would reconsider - as I said above, however, closeupready Jul 2016 #39

leftstreet

(36,106 posts)
1. I had to look it up
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jul 2016
nothingburger

something lame, dead-end, a dud, insignificant; especially something with high expectations that turns out to be average, pathetic, or overhyped.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nothingburger

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
4. I guess I knew what it meant from context, and I certainly can see how it is useful language,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

I just see its use here - now and with Clinton's email server investigation - it seems an underserious term. Not up to the task in some way. Just my opinion as a comm. scholar type.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
27. OK, that's quite a different criticism from "overcompensation"
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 04:21 AM
Jul 2016

If a speaker is overcompensating, they are going too far. If they're underserious, they're not trying hard enough.

I now really don't know what your problem with the word is.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
28. Sorry I was unclear. It is an overcompensation of casualness and dismissal. It seems an underserious
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:22 AM
Jul 2016

reaction to the scale of the issue it is intended to rationalize. It is the opposite of hyperbole.

I hope that helps explain my reaction to the word and its use in this context.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
30. "an overcompensation of casualness and dismissal"? No, that doesn't help.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 08:04 AM
Jul 2016

It's very unclear.

Definition of overcompensation
: excessive compensation; specifically : excessive reaction to a feeling of inferiority, guilt, or inadequacy leading to an exaggerated attempt to overcome the feeling

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overcompensation


So, that's pretty much the opposite of "an underserious reaction".

"It seems an underserious reaction to the scale of the issue it is intended to rationalize."

That sounds as if your complaint is that the issue (eg Hillary's email server) is really important, and that you'd also object to them saying "much ado about nothing" or "mountain out of a molehill" - that it's not that they used a newish phrase (or cliche, if you prefer) rather than an old one, but that they should be accepting that the points the right wingers are raising are all important.

In which case, I profoundly disagree. The Republicans were talking bollocks, to use a British phrase of dismissal.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
32. I'm comfortable with my (admittedly) poetically contradictory description.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jul 2016

I don't think I will try to rephrase it further.

emulatorloo

(44,117 posts)
6. "much ado about nothing" is better, Shakespearian and has the same meaning.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

Maybe you think that is too arcane and academic. Def rolls of the tongue better. Mountain out of a molehill works for me, but probably too obscure for anyone under 60.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
9. I was intentionally trying to avoid and allude to it at the same time.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jul 2016

No wonder it turned to mush. Sometimes the bard can't be dodged, I guess.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
8. If you hang around DU long enough,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016

you'll see many such juvenile and silly terms.

Bastardizations of names are number 1, but there are countless other examples such as the "nothingburger", which is a term I've never heard other than here.

emulatorloo

(44,117 posts)
18. You must have a different Google than I have
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jul 2016

On edit, sorry correction ... Using DuckDuckGo here. So I do indeed have a different 'google' than you do, lol.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
20. I've not seen it anywhere but here, as I said.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jul 2016

I have no doubt it exists, but it's not something I've seen or heard.

Sounds like a stupid internet thing to me.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
24. Yes, as used by the obviously juvenile and silly Charles Pierce
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 04:10 AM
Jul 2016
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41665/hillary-email-scandal-again/

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a43713/hillary-email-nothingburger/

Or Bob Cesca:

http://www.bobcesca.com/the-benghazi-nothingburger-is-finally-here/

Or Senator Boxer:

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/senator-boxer-clinton-email-audit-such-a-nothingburger-692899395873

Or in the Oxford English Dictionary, quoting the Historical Dictionary of American Slang from 1994:

"-burger, comb. form

Origin: Formed within English, by conversion. Etymon: burger n.
Etymology: < burger n., after its use as the second element in compounds denoting types of hamburger.
Formations are found from the early 1980s (apparently earliest in mouseburger n.); J. E. Lighter Hist. Dict. Amer. Slang (1994–) gives a number of other formations, including cheerfulburger, nothingburger, and psychoburger."

God forbid a Democrat might use a word to ask "where's the beef?"

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
15. The term makes sense to me. It's clear and concise
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jul 2016

Young people are often on the forefront of change. In this day and age of social media, the terms the kids use often end up in the vernacular.

What I meant to say is that the term nothing burger is totes amaze balls to me.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
19. I was never confused by the term and I am familiar with some of the ways language changes.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jul 2016

I am not even implying it oughtn't be used; I am of the opinion the word in this context carries more implications than it dismisses.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
16. Yup. Like "woo" or "mansplain", the vocabulary of internet message board junkies
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jul 2016

is really stupid. Nobody in real life uses these words - ever wonder why?

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #25)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. I too pretend to know common, nation-wide vernacular in an attempt to look more clever.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jul 2016

I too pretend to know common, nation-wide vernacular in an attempt to look more clever.

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #35)

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
29. Well, I am not really into "should use," but I would recommend more than a single word of slang.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 07:27 AM
Jul 2016

Demeaning a person or group's concerns through hyperbolic overreaction or by extreme diminishment are known and common rhetorical devices, so if one does not wish to be demeaning, one might be more cautious and caring.

If I was advising, I might use a formula like "I realize you think and feel __________, but at the core of this issue is _________"

Or something along those lines.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
33. That takes effort, and facts. When you are lazy and/or don't have facts on your side,
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 12:25 PM
Jul 2016

post things like "nothingburger!" "Fail!" "Call the waaaaaaahmublance!" "Mansplain much?!" "wash, rinse, repeat"... Post gifs of cats doing weird things, eagles smoking cigars. Post threads about mentally ill people doing embarrassing things, so that we can all do constructive things for them - like crack jokes.

Yeah, I have stopped taking anything here seriously.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
34. Not to mention...
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016


...an emoticon for every point of view, and at least a dozen specifically for Laughing In Your Face.

The dumbing down of a generation.



.
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
37. "dumbing down of a generation" - wow, you "win the internet today", lol.
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

That was a needed, succinct and razor-sharp truth. Thanks.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
38. "an emoticon for every point of view, and at least a dozen specifically for Laughing In Your Face"
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jul 2016

You, of course, have dismissed people, in this thread, with

"Common? Nationwide? Where ... in MomsBasementStan?

and used , and . So, if I were you, I'd think again about who the accusation of using emoticons and 'dumbing down' actually applies to.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
39. If this here all mattered, maybe I would reconsider - as I said above, however,
Tue Jul 26, 2016, 03:28 PM
Jul 2016

I take none of this seriously.

So, unless I'm mistaken, we're done here ... right? I am, at any rate - enjoy yourself!

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