Truck terrorist "not a Muslim" .. beat his wife, drank alcohol, ate pork, took drugs..

[DCBob]

EXCLUSIVE - 'He wasn't a Muslim. He was a s***': Truck terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel's cousin says he was a wife beating drug taker who ate pork... and NEVER went to a mosque
Truck terrorist who murdered 84 people in a horrific drive along the Nice seafront drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs - all banned by Islam
A cousin of his estranged wife said 'he was not a Muslim, he was a s***'
Revealed he didn't go to the mosque and didn't pray or observe Ramadan
The couple had separated after reports of domestic abuse two years ago
Detectives raided the family home in Nice and took his wife into protective custody

Truck terrorist Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel was an 'unlikely jihadist' who flouted every rule of Islam, his cousin told MailOnline today.

The 31-year-old - who wreaked terror on the Nice seafront as he turned an evening celebrating Bastille Day into a night of terror in which he murdered 84 innocent people - drank alcohol, ate pork and took drugs.
He never prayed or attended a mosque, and hit his wife - with whom he had three children - and was in the process of getting a divorce.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3691895/He-drank-alcohol-ate-pork-took-drugs-NOT-Muslim-Truck-terrorist-Mohamed-Lahouaiej-Bouhlel-s-cousin-reveals-unlikely-jihadist-beat-wife-NEVER-went-mosque.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

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I doubt this guy had any connection to ISIS or any other terror group.

[tonyt53]

1. Sounds like a typical Bible thumper here in the US.

[adigal]

80. That's what I thought!!! The hypocrisy!! Totally like some fundamental Christians here nt

[Warpy]

110. Yeah, I kept thinking about how many of those scumbags I know

Here in the US, they just kill the wife and kids instead of letting their property get away from them. Muslims have the Jihadi crap blasted at them and it's as pervasive as the Jesus crap is here and this punk got drunk and thought if he killed a bunch of innocent people, they'd be his ticket into heaven no matter how worthless he was because he'd be a martyr.

Thanks to the Saudis and their funding, the most poisonous form of Islam has been pushed around the world for decades. Thanks to us, our bloated military, and all those nitwits driving oversized vehicles, the money kept on rolling in so they could do that.

[6chars]

127. one significant difference

[lindysalsagal]

2. Drugs. I just can't back legalization when I hear stories like this.

I understand that the courtroom and police implications of the war on drugs has failed. I get all that, but I really fear a drugged society.

[theaocp]

14. Specifics, please.

Otherwise, you're just fear mongering. You seem to be on the side of prohibition. I fear a society with open access to alcohol. Your thoughts?

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Eeeep!

He was taking the drugs anyway. So, legal or illegal, he got what he wanted.

Your concern doesn't make sense to me.

[Mika]

21. Last I checked, drugs are legal. WhyTF are CVSs & Walgreens on every corner? eom

[argyl]

24. This SOB's wife beating was probably fueled by alcohol.

[Democat]

44. Is wife beating against the rules in conservative religions?

Isn't it was part of many right wing religions?

[argyl]

79. I was suggesting that this POS beat his wife while under the influence of alcohol,

not illegal drugs. The post I was responding to expressed a fear of legalization of drugs. The most dangerous drug I know of is alcohol and it's quite legal and readily available.

Ever heard of a mean pot smoker? If you have then he must really be a terror when straight.

As far as this guy's or anyone else's religion is concerned I don't give a damn.

[get the red out]

86. That was my thought

It seems normal with religious extremists.

[Festivito]

48. Legalization reduces drug use. Illegal only for raids on leftist and black leaders.

Check out Portugal, and then Nixon folk.

A lot of people make money keeping drugs illegal, but it started for other reasons.

[hobbit709]

52. What a line of crap.

we already have a drugged society-fully done up by LEGAL drugs.

[arcane1]

56. It's already a drugged society n/t

[Statistical]

66. Thank you. We just have decided some drugs are good and some are bad. It turns out one of ...

the "good ones" = alcohol is not so good. Honestly nobody objectively would make alcohol legal and marijuana illegal. Either they would both be legal or they both would be banned. We just operate this way because it is the way it has always been.

[Calculating]

69. What?

Where is any kind of proof that drugs caused him to do this? Drugs were only mentioned because it's unislamic to take them.

[Wilms]

108. Pork. I back its criminalization when I hear stories like this.

Perhaps we took the same logic course in college.

[Glassunion]

124. From my cold, dead hands.

[Warren DeMontague]

129. How many raging alcoholics have you spent time around?

Trust me, the drug that is most likely to cause people to go on violent rampages, is already legal.

[lindysalsagal]

133. Agreed. But stoned monsters do monstrous things. Not saying I have an answer.

I just think we're in bad enough shape, already.

[Warren DeMontague]

134. Sorry, but marijuana isn't making people violent.

Nice try.

[yardwork]

139. Being stoned usually precludes violence.,

Really. I can't think of anybody, ever, who went on a murderous rampage because they used marijuana.

Alcohol, every day. Certain other drugs, yes.

Pot smokers are more likely to eat a box of Oreos and take a nap.

[lindysalsagal]

142. Drugs can make people violent and paranoid and take action

Maybe not every time but they do. We're better off sober.

Not saying I know what the answer is but we're better off sober.

[True Earthling]

3. "A cousin of his estranged wife said"... I'll wait for the investigation

I doubt the cousin knew this guy like a book..people can get religion real fast by just listening to a sermon/lecture or watching a few videos.

[DCBob]

6. Getting "religion real fast" by watching videos is not religion.

imo.

[Dreamer Tatum]

16. Really? Let me go find the posts where people have

Demanded to know what radio stations some murderers listened to, or what books they had on their bookshelves, or whether they donated to certain politicians.

When certain people are motivated, they can associate anything with anything.

[Loki Liesmith]

115. Sure it is

[KingCharlemagne]

20. Or reading a few history books. France has a pretty sorry record in North

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Africa in the past 200 years up until the late 1950s.

[closeupready]

46. For those who've seen "Battle of Algiers", isn't it scary how the parallels

stand out between that film and current events in France?

Not the underlying story, but the guerilla methods of terrorism? The fact that it's a French language film, one of the most critically-revered award-winning films, and that it portrayed hostilities between muslims and French colonialists - these are all just a little too coincidental.

[KingCharlemagne]

99. It's been ages since I've seen that awesome fucking film. I'm going to have

to add it to my list of films to watch again.

I'm a teacher with students from France and students from the former French colonial possessions in North Africa (currently Morocco and Cameroon) and it breaks my heart to see this play itself out. I feel so bad for my students. On a slightly positive note, they seem to bear one another no ill will.

[closeupready]

111. As tragic as it is, I could watch it over and over.

The raw honesty of the story is so riveting, and the fact that it's 50 years old this year ... isn't THAT something?! Cheers.

[Dreamer Tatum]

4. The 9/11 hijackers went to strip clubs.

I'm not moved.

[DCBob]

26. Exactly.. they werent real Muslims either.

imo.

[Act_of_Reparation]

32. Oh, so you're the guy they appointed High Arbiter of Who Is and Who Is Not Muslim.

Nice to meet you.

[seabeyond]

35. Or are you? Someone yell Allah, and that makes it so.

[Act_of_Reparation]

41. No, I'm not.

Nor did I claim to be.

There is no easy criteria by which one may be excluded from a religion. Simply disobeying the rules isn't enough, as any Catholic Mafioso will tell you. You can be bad at being Muslim and still be a Muslim.

[seabeyond]

45. And simply yelling out God, when not participating in religion at all, doesn't make one so.

I get it.

[Act_of_Reparation]

49. No, you don't get it.

You don't know the contents of a person's mind. You have no objective criteria by which to measure the veracity of another's beliefs.

Also, I can't think of a single reason why a person who doesn't believe in God would be screaming "God is great".

[seabeyond]

54. I do get it. I would suggest you do not. I admit I do not know another's mind, which is my argument.

You are the one arguing otherwise, whether you see it or not. I have a very objective perspective, and I think yours is lasered focused.

I can easily think in a human behavior that would allow a person that is not religious at all, but hateful, and wanting to murder (lash out, cause pain), using a religion to validate that behavior.

We hear and see it often in the west with Christianity. I think we have ample proof that people are just murdering assholes, using religion to justify their behavior.

[Act_of_Reparation]

88. So, your position is "haters gonna hate"?

Sorry, but no. Humans are not "just murdering assholes". No reputable psychologist on the face of the fucking planet would agree with a single word you've said.

[seabeyond]

93. I think there are violent people out there in the world and wanting to lash out

and hurt others is pretty much a norm. If you would research behavior, you would find that psychologists consistently state that men in pain, lash out, .... Women in pain and destructive with self. But yes, those in pain can use that pain to want to hurt others.

No, I do not think that psychologists would disagree with that. That has to do with human condition, not religion nor politics.

[RussBLib]

106. I can think of two

you said

I can't think of a single reason why a person who doesn't believe in God would be screaming "God is great"

one, just to fuck with people

two, they are very confused and conflicted individuals

[TipTok]

72. Actually that is all it takes...

There are no hard and fast rules so if someone identifies as Christian, Muslim or Pastafarian...

Then they are...

[seabeyond]

75. No, that is not all it takes. That is the lazy way. Human behavior itself tells us people

are going to validate their desire to do wrong, however will pacify their guilt. To ignore that and state all it takes is a moment of declaration is lazy and incomplete thinking.

[Arazi]

84. Actually that is all it takes

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/how-to-convert-to-islam-and-become-muslim/

[seabeyond]

85. Yes, I get your point. And still, no.

[TipTok]

89. That's the way it has to be ....

Otherwise you get into all this "No true Scotsman/Muslim/Christian" garbage...

[seabeyond]

91. Things are not so black and white. Hence the whole political/religious argument of black and white.

Some of us actually take the time to go beyond the black and white of an issue, hence being able to get to the root and solving, or working to solve instead of escalating because the whole of the discussion is not being had.

[TipTok]

96. Discuss all you like...

... but in the end folks will decide based on their own prejudices.

If you're sympathetic then a islamic suicide bomber was not part of the true faith.

If you hate their guts then he obviously was.

No objective standards so you have to go to the bare minimum.

[seabeyond]

98. Lol. I need to know the motive before making my decision seeing how I do not fall into

any of your categories.

If he is angry at the Western world thru his culture and religion, that is one motive.

If the motive is he is angry because he is a drunk, with a drunks mentality of the world picking on him and pissed that his wife got away from him and he could not beat her anymore, and wanting to take it out on the world? Then that is a whole other story.

I do choose not to be one of those that makes my decision from personal perspectives.

[Marr]

122. And some things are extremely black and white.

Like the fact that the men who trained with an avowedly Muslim militant organization, then came to the US and died in a suicide attack while shouting, "God is great" were pretty fucking religious.

Seriously, if *that* doesn't qualify as proof of authentic religious devotion, I don't what does.

Your argument belongs in a philosophy class on solipsism, not a political discussion.

[seabeyond]

123. Are you talking 9/11? I think there is plenty of evidence what the motivation was with 9/11.

I do not get what your argument is. This one, the motivation appears to be different than the motivation of 9/11.

[puffy socks]

132. Muslims

don't drink. You're thinking of Catholics and Baptists

[oberliner]

136. "Real Muslims" ?

You obviously do not know anything about Islam.

[Nevernose]

138. Their final group meeting was in Vegas

They were incensed at the paintings of nude women in the hotel and demanded that management remove them. They compromised by covering the paintings with a sheet.

Then, a few hours later, they had escorts come to the room.

[seabeyond]

5. Like the Orlando dude. Hate filled, violent, using ISIS to cover murder. Nt

[DCBob]

8. Exactly.. a pattern is emerging.

[Dreamer Tatum]

12. Yes, it's called No True Scotsman

And its applied by those attempting to strike a certain religion from the record.

[grossproffit]

7. Uncomfirmed

Deleted.

[DCBob]

9. I think so. Sad.

[citood]

10. Has that FB page been verified?

[prayin4rain]

13. I don’t like the posting of pictures of the children :( n/t

[KMOD]

11. All of these mass murderers have one thing in common.

They are all unstable people filled with rage and hate.

[Dreamer Tatum]

17. Almost all of them have another thing in common. Nt

[KMOD]

53. What would that be?

[LanternWaste]

60. Male perpetrators?

Male perpetrators?

Oops... didn't drive the narrative you're looking for. So sorry.

[underahedgerow]

39. Yes. They're unstable males, filled with rage and hate.

No other single one thing ties together all the mass murderers, spree killers and terrorists alike in recent events. Just the gender.

I can't actually recall a female ever doing such a thing... If anyone does, remind me, so I can correct this posit.

[Marengo]

51. Its rare, but female mass killers do exist. Max Adolphe comes to mind.

[OldEurope]

61. Actually, in France...

...there was Hasna Ait Boulahcen who helped her cousin, but did not commit any shooting or bombings.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34877374

Also, we had several female terrorists in Europe in the 1970 - 1990 years. But they claimed to be from the extreme left, of course, not from the religious side. And they did not want to kill random passers-by, they concentrated on politicians and economic leaders such as bankers. But they did not hesitate to kill personnel such as chauffeurs or security staff.

[underahedgerow]

65. She was the one who 'friend-zoned' the a**h**e just before she was blown to bits, right?

Horrifying and sickeningly ironic.

'He's NOT my BOYFRIEND!' Bam.

Yes, terribly insensitive, I know. Apologies in advance, etc, etc.

Still, all males.

[Go Vols]

131. The worlds deadliest terrorist use women.

Boko Haram, one of the world’s deadliest extremist groups, has used at least 105 women and girls in suicide attacks since June 2014, when a woman set off a bomb at an army barracks in Nigeria, according to The Long War Journal, which tracks terrorist activity.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/world/africa/boko-haram-suicide-bombers.html?_r=0

[jmg257]

18. Other interesting tidbits...

He told officers that he was delivering ice-cream to the area and was allowed to park on the waterfront for several hours.

The killer, who was previously known to police for violence and theft, is reported to have had assault rifles, a pistol and even a grenade with him in the lorry - but they went undiscovered.

Despite allegedly questioning the driver, police officers in the southern French city did nothing to move him on as he waited to begin the attack.

[underahedgerow]

62. It turns out his "arsenal' was all fake, except for the one handgun he fired at cops.

Ridiculously simple excuse to park though, right?

'What if the cops had just opened the door to check the ice cream. Sitting in a non-refrigerated truck'.

Things would have been so different. But by that note, now cops WILL check the contents of trucks from now on, you can bet. Lessons learned.

What if. Shoulda, coulda, woulda.

We still expect people to tell the truth and to be honest, I guess.

[jmg257]

64. Thanks for the heads up on the fake stuff - had not heard that.

It's amazing how many people, including LE, are surprised that shit like this happens - in the ways it does...some things seem pretty f&^%ing obvious.

[Democat]

19. How many Christians drink and do drugs?

Does that make them not Christians if they commit a crime?

[seabeyond]

31. And how many murder claiming it is for Christianity, when there is nothing in their life

suggesting they are any more religious than another? I know lots of people that know nothing in the bible, do not go to church, do hateful things, then claim Christianity as an excuse for hateful behavior. So what, a human behavior. No more or less. Validation for their ugliness. We can surely understand that.

[REP]

101. Shelley Shannon, Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder, James Kopp, Micheal Griffin, Paul Hill, John Salvi ...

All Christians, all killing (or attempting to kill and bombing) in the name of their beliefs.

[Dorian Gray]

22. Don't most of ISIS

flout the rules? News articles all say they take crazy drugs to keep them awake, and "marry" prosititutes to have sex. It's not shocking that a murderous deranged asshole might flout all the other rules. Plus, martyrdom forgives all their transgressions.

[DCBob]

28. They arent real Muslims either.. imo.

[Dorian Gray]

37. Maybe

but they are "building" an Islamic caliphate.

That's their purpose.

And they do a whole lot of shitty things in the name of Islam.

And it looks like this guy murdered 80+ people in the name of Islam, even if he is a shitty muslim.

[melman]

38. Yeah

well they have a different opinion on that.

[trotsky]

109. "imo" - precisely.

They are in theirs.

[JanMichael]

128. bullshit. somebody has to own this shit. "not real"? who is to say? you? right. nt

[oberliner]

137. You must be doing parody

Defining the real from the not real Muslims.

[B2G]

30. Oh come on. We all know he's not a jihadist unless

he openly subscribes to Sharia, goes to the mosque every week and publicly declares his allegiance to radical Islam.

I mean, what better way to fly under radar, right?

Some people...

[Nevernose]

140. Drugs are allowed in a literal interpretation of the Koran

ALCHOL is specifically forbidden, which is why all those Muslim countries helped pioneer hash and heroin -- perfectly acceptable with a literal understanding.

The marry a prostitute thing and then divorcing her? A loophole exploited all across the Muslim world for centuries or millennia. Iran actually has government employees to perform oversee the marriage/prostitution/divorce process.

[MowCowWhoHow III]

23. How could he be?

And psah to the reports of him screaming Allahu Akbar! Everyone knows that translates literally into "This has nothing to do with Islam!"

[B2G]

25. His ex-wife is in custody. nt

[DCBob]

27. Interesting.

[seabeyond]

33. I read protective custody. There would be a difference. I do not know for fact,

looking for clarification.

[B2G]

47. Multiple outlets reporting 'arrested', not protective custody. nt

[seabeyond]

50. Well, I am not researching so will have to wait until I run across fact before making it so.

You are the first who has stated this. Thanks.

[KMOD]

70. She's being held for questioning.

That's perfectly routine in a situation like this.

[FLPanhandle]

34. Sounds like most Islamic terrorists

Nice try though.

[sufrommich]

36. I doubt that ISIS gives a shit about the pedigree

or the underlying desires of the terrorists willing to kill in their name. As long as there's a high body count,they're cool.

[seabeyond]

42. Sure. They recruit spoiled privilege white kids form the West to play their game. They don't care

where the people are coming from, for sure.

[Nye Bevan]

40. Not the first Jihadist to drink alcohol (nt)

[auntpurl]

43. Interesting title: one of those four things is not banned by Islam.

I'll give you two guesses. First doesn't count.

[underahedgerow]

55. Yanno, I'm getting slapped around all kinds of everywhere for speculating about this some hours

ago.

I hit the nail on the head.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1519415

Apparently, I'm a really terrible person if I don't call a guy who killed lots of other people a terrorist.

I went on to speculate in my original post this precise behavioral/psychological profile.

All I can do is shake my head.

I'm VERY glad it wasn't terrorists, that it was just a lone crazed guy. The loss of life, the horror, the mayhem and the carnage are horrific. But I'm really glad there aren't any isis nutters out there roaming the streets trying to kill more people (that we know of) in civilized societies, at this moment, that we know of (ptoo, ptoo, ptoo for luck).

Live another day.

[Democat]

58. You are a little early for a victory speech

The only people commenting are a few relatives, one of whom may have been arrested according to some sources.

[jmg257]

67. "I'm really glad there aren't any isis nutters out there roaming the streets trying to kill more

people (that we know of) in civilized societies"


Yeah - lets go with that.

[leftynyc]

71. You were NOT speculating

First you claimed you were ALWAYS RIGHT about these things and claimed it's DEFINITELY not terrorism with absolutely zero proof. I see you're here on another thread doing the same thing. Me? I would stop before I continued to embarrass myself further but you go ahead and do whatever you like.

[underahedgerow]

76. Buuuut, I AM right. Unless you're calling the authorities in France liars.

Are you calling them liars? Are you calling the original poster of this thread a liar?

Are you calling me a liar? If not liars, then, well, what?

You can call me arrogant, over-confident, or all sorts of (banned) names, but I'm not a liar. Maybe I just know more about stuff than you do.

Now, behave yourself. No sense getting all worked up over this. You'll be just fine.

[Rex]

81. You have permission to do whatever you like!

[leftynyc]

87. My eyes can't roll around in my

head hard enough to deal with this nonsense. The original poster is only posting what's been recorded - NOT THAT IT'S THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. YOU are the only one playing that game and claiming that YOU and ONLY YOU know what the truth is and that you're ALWAYS RIGHT when in the real world, you don't know crap. Stop digging.

[longship]

57. It's always the bacon!

The root of all evil.

That, and shellfish.

And don't get me started about different clothing fibers.

[left-of-center2012]

59. A 'teapartier' ! n/t

[Oneironaut]

63. Weren't some of the 9/11 hijackers regulars at strip clubs?

I wouldn't necessarily say that this sort of behavior means someone "isn't a Muslim." I'm sure he was a total loser, though, which probably caused him to become a jihadist in the first place.

[ck4829]

68. This goes to show how religion/lack of religion/being a religion is all socially constructed

Even on this very thread, people are constructing and making their 'borders'.

It is very much up to Muslims and non-Muslims where the borders of "Muslim" lie, it doesn't benefit us and the majority of Muslims to put Daesh, members, and others on the inside of the "Muslim" border.

[TubbersUK]

73. The Guardian blog has some additional info on Bouhlel

Prosecutor: Bouhlel had violent past

The prosecutor says that Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel was known to police and the courts “due to threats, violence and petty theft between 2010 and 2016”.

He was “detained on the 23rd of March on 2016” and sentenced to six months, for a road rage incident. “There was an altercation between him and another driver and he hurled a wooden pallet at the man,” Urvoas told reporters.

He had also been detained for “voluntary violence with weapon and that was in January 2016”.

Authorities were “not aware that he had ever shown a sign of radicalization”, he continues.

“He arrived alone by bike, [and] this bike was then found alone in the truck. The truck was seen at about 10.30 in Nice before it went to the promenade.”

Police are investigating his residence and found more documents and electronic material there, he adds.

“These materials are of course being investigated … We must determine whether there were any accomplices … or any links to Islamist terrorist organizations.”

He notes that there have been no claims of responsibility, though the attack mirrors past terror attacks. He takes no questions.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle

[cosmicone]

74. The true observers of faith are seldom fanatic

It is the fringe that wants to show how devout they are; are the more dangerous ones.

Pakistan for example, was founded by a whiskey-drinking, cigar smoking, womanizing barrister from Mumbai who suddenly found religion to be a convenient excuse to stroke his ego by being the prime minister of Pakistan. He had almost never gone to a mosque but was happy in the founding of an Islamic Republic which has become a terrorist swamp.

True observers of Islam are normal, gentle people who cannot express how much the terrorists hurt their religion.

[kimbutgar]

77. Well this is going to mess up the radical Muslim terrorist theme of cheeto and newt.

[The_Casual_Observer]

78. So the guy just snapped and killed a lot of people.

The press was absolutely begging for more terrorists.

Had this happened in Baghdad nobody would even know about it, but since it was
Wealthy tourists we are treated to a visit by John Kerry.

[totodeinhere]

113. It's more than that.

Witnesses said the truck driver screamed, “Allahu Akbar” — “God is great” in Arabic — before opening fire on the crowd Thursday night and then driving through the throngs of people.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/nice-attacker-mohamed-lahouaiej-bouhlel-article-1.2712654

[The_Casual_Observer]

117. I guess that proves he wasn't a nut case!

[senseandsensibility]

82. Lots of info/photos at the link.

Thanks.

[backscatter712]

83. I guess the US isn't the only country having problems with lone wolves going postal... n/t

[tenderfoot]

90. Totally sounds like ISIS®

eom

[0rganism]

92. dammit, why can't i find any True Scotsmen anymore?

all over the place, these fake Scotsmen with their polyester bagpipes and paisley kilts. you just can't get a True Scotsman anywhere these days.

[whistler162]

94. Sounds like he is as Muslim as Boris Johnson

that is Muslim in ancestry only.

[maxsolomon]

95. He was a Muslim like I'm a Catholic

by birth and upbringing, but not in practice. He was Tunisian; he was Arab. This is as much about Sunni Arab ethnicity as Islam.

If he's trying to make amends for his lack of religiousity, or taking revenge for injustices committed by 'Crusaders', the No True Scotsman fallacy is another tired deflection.

Own it, Islam.

[seabeyond]

97. What if he did it because he is a drunk, pathetic person, pissed because his wife divorced him and

he couldn't beat her any more?

[maxsolomon]

100. What if his aunt has balls?

It's likely he was, at least in part, motivated by fundament Sunni tactics and propaganda, in addition to the specifics of his own miserable life. Are you contending it's NOT likely?

I get it: never blame the religion or its adherents without direct proof. That religion, however, is singularly maladapted to the modern world.

[seabeyond]

102. I see no evidence at all he was motivated by religion. I see tons of evidence he is an angry man

lashing out, which has nothing to do with an aunt and balls.

Blame the religion when that is the motive. Assuming and drawing judgment without fact is stupid.

[maxsolomon]

105. When I asserted that Prince died of an OD, i was excoriated on DU for besmirching his reputation

I don't think I was stupid then or now.

You have to be angry to be a mass murderer. That's a given. Motives are convoluted, and ultimately unknowable, in all these cases.

Speculation is human nature.

[seabeyond]

112. I think evidence clearly points not motivated by religion but and angry violent man.

When I get info that contradicts, then it becomes further evidence. Otherwise it is simply a guess. And facts has nothing to do with that but what your motivation is.

[maxsolomon]

118. I believe the evidence, such as it is, points to Islam as ONE motivating factor

At the very least. If I learn of contradicting information, of course I'll revise my speculation.

Your "reserve judgment at all costs" approach puts you in a shrinking minority.

[seabeyond]

119. "reserve judgment at all costs" But, you just made that up, didn't you. Lol

Nothing like making shit up to bring in the win.

[maxsolomon]

121. wasn't aware it was a competition

here, have the last word...

[FrodosPet]

141. In Protestant churches, they are the ones who put on the biggest show when going up to be "saved"

Yes, he probably was all those things, so in order to get out of Hell, he had to do something big to please Allah.

[RussBLib]

103. I suppose he could still pledge to ISIS or whatever

Reminds me of the 9/11 Saudi hijackers who were said to be partying in New York in strip clubs. They partake of all the wickedness as a cover, then spring the terror shit on you.

Just speculating.

Either way he's definitely a pathetic SOB.

[seabeyond]

104. 9/11 all motive pointed to religion and war with the west. Not with this man. Nt

[mwrguy]

107. Of course this had nothing to do with Islam

[totodeinhere]

114. If it had nothing to do with Islam why did he shout “Allahu Akbar” before opening fire?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/nice-attacker-mohamed-lahouaiej-bouhlel-article-1.2712654

[Loki Liesmith]

116. It never does

[Ex Lurker]

120. I wondered where the DU excuses thread would be

and here it is.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

125. Many Muslims disavow ISIS as non-Islamic.

But the murderous raping thugs still claim to be Muslim.

[oberliner]

126. Eating pork and drinking alcohol is not "banned by Islam"

The only requirement to be a Muslim is to accept that there is no God by Allah and that Mohammed was his prophet.

By saying that, you become a Muslim.

[mainer]

130. Fits profile of mass murderers of any religion

The real thing that connects them all is violence against, and fear/hatred of /rejection by women. Yep, the women made him do it.

[JI7]

135. that describes the typical ISIS member. just like the sex abusive catholic church

Idon't think these things make them less Muslims or less catholic. It just means religion doesnt mean someone is good.

[Iggo]

143. I'll bet he wasn't a true Scotsman, either.