Well, you can add Moby to your list of "fucking sellouts" ("New Dawn Fades" in Beemer commercial)

[Amerigo Vespucci]

His version of Joy Division's "New Dawn Fades"...used in a climactic scene in the DeNiro / Pacino EPIC "Heat"...is now in a BMW commercial.

Fuck you, Moby. Go use the cash to buy something nice for yourself.

[zappaman]

1. Since it is almost impossible to make money these days in the "music industry"...

I say good for him.

[HooptieWagon]

2. Agreed. Im not gonna fault an artist for earning money from their work.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

7. BMW. Fucking BMW.

I'd rather have him sell his music to a fucking potato chip commercial like the surviving members of Queen did with "Crazy Little Thing Called Love."

BMW? That's my objection...not his right to earn a living.

[snooper2]

12. repo man take your 325 away?

[Amerigo Vespucci]

15. Someday...just not today...I'll share the Beeemer story

I've never owned one...wouldn't. I have a pretty amusing story that sums up my contempt for the brand...I'm just too lazy to type it out today.

[Blue_Tires]

53. A "Beemer" is a BMW motorcycle

A BMW car is called a "Bimmer"

Or you could go all German with it and say "BAY-EM-VAY"

[Bake]

54. If you ever drove one, you'd know why they call it the Ultimate Driving Machine.

And you can pick up a used 3 Series very reaosonably priced.

Just sayin'.



Bake

[HooptieWagon]

13. Maybe that was the only offer?

Are you demanding he has to get pre-approval from you for every commercial deal he signs? Should the ads have a "This ad is approved by Amerigo Vespucci" at the bottom?

[Amerigo Vespucci]

16. No, I just have an ongoing, open invitation for BMW to blow me. n/t

[HooptieWagon]

20. For every BMW hater, theres going to be a Ford Truck hater...

And on and on. If hes going to attempt to satisfy all the haters, he'd never be able to sign any deal.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

23. I understand that, but...

...BMW can still blow me. If that makes me a "BMW hater," then I'm a "BMW hater." I hate what the fucking brand stands for, and I hate that it's supposed to mean something more than someone just bought a fucking car.

[randome]

3. If you look to celebrities for inspiration or courage, you will inevitably be disappoined.

Better to look inward, I think.

[panader0]

4. At least it wasn't Moby Grape, one of my old faves from back in the day (Remember 'Hey Gramma'?)

What happened to your 'It's a Beautiful Day' picture? I saw them at the Fillmore in '68.

[Fawke Em]

5. The most ridiculous one is Twisted Sister

shilling for STANLEY STEAMER!

It's so ridiculous, you just have to laugh:

[dionysus]

22. i nearly shit my pants when i saw that one!

[tralala]

25. Truly obnoxious

[RockaFowler]

6. I heard he always has done this

And then he takes the money he makes from the selling of his music and donates it to a charity close to his heart. A liberal organization usually gets his money as well. Moby's a good guy. You really should read up on him.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

8. Well, if that's what he does, I withdraw my "fuck Moby" remarks

Didn't know that. I STILL hate the fact that BMW, the symbol of all things Yuppie, is using the song. But if BMW's money is helping someone other than fucking BMW customers, I'm on board.

[coalition_unwilling]

39. Right after 9/11, as the bombs were falling on Afghanistan and

Operation Shocking and Awful was revving its engines, our PBS affiliate out here broadcast a 'Concert for Peace'. Weirdest goddamned thing and I've never been able to find any sign of it ever since. Moby played an acoustic cover of the Beatles' 'Across the Universe' that blew me away and was actually better than the original, imho. Had my wife and me in tears.

I share your feelings about the ubiquitous (here in LA) Yuppie NaziMobiles, as I call BMWs and Mercedes.

[HiPointDem]

14. he spends a lot more on real estate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/garden/28moby.html?pagewanted=all


THERE are a number of things that delight Moby, once the ultimate downtown New York musician, about his castle in the Hollywood Hills...

But now, while he keeps a small apartment in Little Italy, he has moved to Los Angeles, to a castle on three acres with a stone wall, a Disney-esque gatehouse and a kidney-shaped pool....

Moby paid just under $4 million for the house last year and estimates he has put another $2 million into its restoration...

As the money started rolling in, he started buying extravagant properties. In 2005, he bought four floors of an Upper West Side building for $4.5 million, but got “really lonely” and sold the apartment a few years later, moving back downtown...

In 2003, he bought a 9,000-square-foot house overlooking the Hudson River in Kent Cliffs, about an hour north of Manhattan...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/28/garden/28moby.html?pagewanted=all


Moby was always a product of connecticut's upper middle class. He likes to talk about his "poor" childhood, but his parents came from money & his sensibility has always been bourgeois.

Hard to believe moby makes that much selling his music. investments, i suspect, maybe a trust fund in the background.

[obamanut2012]

48. Correct -- it's pretty well known this is what he does

He gives a lot of money to charity, and also runs some charitable orgs.

[Swede]

9. Moby makes money with his music,so what?

I never understood the bullshit "sell out" thing.

[dionysus]

18. you're supposed to be hip and broke, or something...

[phleshdef]

10. I, met a boy, wearing Vans, 501s...

New tattoos and claims that he
Was OGT,
back in '92,
from the first EP.

And in between
Sips of Coke
He told me that
He thought
We were sellin' out,
Layin' down,
Suckin' up
To the man.

Well now I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

And if I'm the man,
Then you're the man, and
He's the man as well so you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever even heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And then you bought one.

I've got some
Advice for you, little buddy.
Before you point your finger
You should know that
I'm the man,

If I'm the fuckin' man
Then you're the fuckin' man as well
So you can
Point that fuckin' finger up your ass.

All you know about me is what I've sold you,
Dumb fuck.
I sold out long before you ever heard my name.

I sold my soul to make a record,
Dip shit,
And you bought one.

All you read and
Wear or see and
Hear on TV
Is a product
Begging for your
Fatass dirty
Dollar

Shut up and

Buy, buy, buy, my new record
Buy, buy, buy, send more money
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.
Fuck you, buddy.

---- Tool pretty much sums my response to people who bitch about "selling out"

[opiate69]

38. exactly....

[rppper]

62. On of my favorite songs/albums from them!

Thinking persons metal.....

[thelordofhell]

11. Ummm, it's not the first Moby tune to be in a commercial???

And it's not half as disturbing as.......................

[EOTE]

42. Mostly because it's a commercial for fast food using a song about masturbation.

Otherwise, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

[Marr]

44. My favorite inappropriate theme is the Oatmeal jingle.

They turned "Look What They've Done to My Song, Ma", a song about an artist's disappointment at the commercialization of their work... into "Look What They've Done to My Oatmeal".

It's just so perfect.

[dionysus]

17. the 90's called. they want their angst back...

[dionysus]

19. PS, ask Anton Newcombe how well that attitude worked out for him...

[Bennyboy]

21. Bob Dylan, Jerry Garcia, The Who, Led Zeppelin

all had music in commercials.

[fil62793skx]

24. ^this

[tralala]

26. ^this

[hifiguy]

27. Yep. And the Rolling Stones "Start Me Up" was licensed to

Microsoft back when Win 95 came out. I don't have any problem with an artist licensing their own music. The way Michael Jackson pimped the Beatles music that he, not the Beatles, owned is another issue.

[Blue_Tires]

28. KRS-One, Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Willie D of the Geto boys, Master P, etc, etc...

[HooptieWagon]

37. Yep. The Dead's "Tennessee Jed"

is even used as TV theme music for NASCAR's Bristol race.

[Dreamer Tatum]

29. Sounds like your emotional problem is with BMW, not Moby

Seek help if necessary.

[RebelOne]

46. Agreed. n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

30. Why did the hipster burn his mouth?

Because he ate pizza before it was cool.

[flamingdem]

31. Ugh

But as a JD fan thanks for the info, I'll have to check out that film

[flamingdem]

33. Found that scene on Youtube:

The original is SO MUCH BETTER! : (It's all about the guitar for ___'s sake:

[Journeyman]

32. Amerigo Vespucci – another "Lilly in the Field" – he toils not, neither does he spin. . .

yet the universe in its benevolence provides for all his needs, giving him raiment that would be the envy of Solomon himself.

What a ______.

[Initech]

34. Absolutely not.

I look at an artist "selling out" a little differently - if a musician loans use of their song in a commercial - that's one thing. Ever hear of a soundtrack - do we dismiss those as art entirely now?

Now if an artist appears in a commercial physically - like Stephen Tyler hawking Burger King - or Ozzy Osbourne hawking Doritos - that is where I draw the line and start calling them fucking sell outs.

[Iggy]

40. Right, How Many

people watching the "offending" BMW commercial even care or recognize
it's Moby's music? 1% of the people watching?

See anyone complaining Tyler just bought a sportscar costing $1 Mil? or how
about his being a judge on a "talent show" featuring at least one hour of
commercials for every hour of programming?

Gimme a break.

[fil62793skx]

35. yawn

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[Capt. Obvious]

36. I'll get right on that

[spanone]

41. moby's been in the commercial business for years...

[Marr]

43. I don't have a problem with it, and never really understood the objection.

Why wouldn't you want your work used as broadly as possible?

There's a Japanese group from the 80's-90's called Shonen Knife that actually started out recording jingles for fictional products, just to bounce them off the advertising community and announce that they were willing to make commercial music. Tortoise Brand Pot Cleaner is one of my favorite stupid songs ever.

[hifiguy]

57. Thanks. It took me a day to get rid of that earworm

a couple of weeks ago. Now it's back.

And AFAIK, Shonen Knife is still around.

[Marr]

58. Haha- awesome.

I saw them at... if it wasn't the first Lolapalooza it was the second one. They were great, because they were so completely different from all the shoegazing flannel. They had a giant inflated Panda behind them, and cats in space suits and all kinds of bizarre shit.

[LanternWaste]

45. I would think that art is art, regardless of venue or agenda.

I would think that art is art, regardless of venue or agenda.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

47. slow news day

[aikoaiko]

49. welcome to 1999.

I thought 'play' was his first sell out.

[RZM]

50. He's been doing this for years. He actually managed what might have been a first a decade ago

When he managed to license all 18 tracks from his 1999 album 'Play' to various companies for advertising. AFAIK, no other rock/pop artist managed to sell every track on an album that long. And it wasn't one major deal either, most went out one-by-one to different companies.

If you went back and watched some commercials from the early 2000s, you'd recognize some Moby songs from them.

[ikri]

51. About that album of his - Play

He licensed every single song from that album for use in advertising and TV shows. It was one of the greatest marketing moves in modern musical history, the album got infinitely more exposure from advertising than could ever be managed through more standard routes.

He hasn't sold out. He just knows how to market his music.

If you want a sell out, have a look at this:

[Spike89]

52. The Clash/Jaguar

Personally they evoke totally opposite images in the battle of substance vs. style, but for all I know it helped sell some jags.

On the other end of the spectrum, sorta, are the songs/bands that become somewhat well known because their songs are in commercials. Notable examples are Ringside (Struggle was played behind a Pontiac ad), Asteroid Galazy Tour (Golden Age in a Heiniken ad), and Feist (1234 for Apple).

[taught_me_patience]

55. A lot of liberals love BMW

It's a great car. My wife drives a 325 and I wanted to hate it so bad... but alas... it drives so nice

[flamingdem]

60. True, but we try to keep our underground cred

separate from our vehicle choice! True that it's a fun car to drive

... anyway when I was into JD I drove a beater

[hughee99]

56. I guess you can use the "Moby Equasion" on this...

http://current.com/1590e4c

[TroglodyteScholar]

59. Moby's been on that list since I first heard of him.

Nothing new here.

Edit to add: It is a shame that it's a JD track. None of their songs deserve that kind of treatment.

[sendero]

61. Why would anyone care?

Moby is absolutely devoid of any talent whatsoever. His music is insipid, the absolute worst thing any music can be.

[opiate69]

63. For one thing..

if it was originally a Joy Division song, then Moby almost assuredly didn't "cash in" nearly as much as one might think he did. (Unless the original writers sold off the copyrights years ago - which wouldn't surprise me given the relative small-time success the band had). And for a second thing, any band or artist you've ever heard sells out constantly to one degree or another. (Unless of course, you just happened to stumble into their practice room, which they never leave - since leaving would be an attempt to get their music heard by other people)