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(145,148 posts)Glorfindel
(9,727 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Over the edge.
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malthaussen
(17,193 posts)... there's a narrative floating about that Mr Ryan is really morally opposed to Mr Trump, but is taking a hit for party unity. That he really isn't like Mr Trump at all, and a nice guy, you know, but a team player. Mr Danziger showing him throwing up after embracing Mr Trump supports this narrative, and he's not alone in this, many cartoonists have used the idea of Mr Ryan reluctantly supporting Mr Trump as the day's gag.
Personally, I don't believe this narrative, and I think Paul Ryan is an opportunistic little creep who would sell his own mother if it got him votes. If he throws up about Mr Trump it is not because of any moral reservations, but because he suspects supporting him may turn around and bite him one day. He's dancing on the razor's edge, and the future is obscure.
It's also interesting that the narrative of which I speak implicitly seems to carry with it the notion that solidarity, team play, and suppressing conscience are all positive traits in politics (or anywhere else, for that matter, but that's a different question). There's no suggestion that one is a jackal for suppressing one's own convictions and morals in order to help out the side. It's a narrative that puzzles me, although I suppose it goes a long way toward supporting the status quo.
-- Mal
I agree. Ryan is a slimy opportunist.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)PatSeg
(47,418 posts)for many years and he will have deserved it. I wonder if some day down the road, he'll try to walk this back.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Look at Palin. (No no you don't have to actually look at her!!!) Even McCain himself doesn't seem to have any baggage on his reputation for agreeing to pick her...within the Republican party. , and that's all that counts to these weasels.
The GOP base have a yuuuuuuuge advantage, if you can call it that, in the makeup of their supporters. They have been coddled and told for decades on hate TV and radio, that everyone is out to get them, that its the other party that are the ones that are the idiots (libtards), the mismanagers, the one's making their lives miserable. And so anything they do...even Palin....even for fucks sake Bush and Iraq!...is all OK. Because ANYTHING is better than letting the libtards steer the ship.
PatSeg
(47,418 posts)I guess I was thinking of relatively rational people, not republicans. Also I've remembered that some people have amazingly short memories and I've noticed that republicans take advantage of that. They can say the same things every election cycle and make the same promises for decades and the voters don't seem to notice. "Anyone but a Democrat" works for them.
I wonder, however, if some independents will remember the politicians who attached themselves to the Trump train. That is hard, as there is no clear definition of what an Independent really is.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I don't think in any other country Republicans would be let anywhere near the halls of power for a very long time with their record. Both governing, (or lack thereof), and scandal. I think it has a lot to do with that they have their own "news" network (and sorry, there is no equivalency to MSNBC) plus that their rich backers own almost 100% of all daytime talk radio.
As a sociology experiment, its actually quite facinating, in a depressing way. People really can be steered towards a 'truthiness' with enough repetition. As someone once said...If the lie is big enough...
Anyways....I don't want to end on a downer. One thing going for us to fight all the hate TV and radio is the internet. Thank gawd we have that. We must be diligent though to keep net neutrality.
cheers, have a great day
PatSeg
(47,418 posts)I found an old campaign video from the 1960s and a republican politician today could use the exact same speech if he replaced "reds" with "Islamic terrorists". It called for increased military spending and lower taxes, blah, blah, blah.
I agree that the media is responsible for a lot of the misinformation, as well as gerrymandering and voter suppression. We've learned from history how easy it is to brainwash a large segment of society. Sadly, I've seen it happen within my own family.
We are fortunate to have the Internet, though some people still believe what they are programmed to believe.
Have a good night.