Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:35 AM
kpete (38,896 posts)
Jeb Bush Excommunicated From Republican Party
Jeb Bush’s remark that Ronald Reagan would be too moderate for today’s Republican Party earned an aggressive rebuke from the gatekeeper of the anti-tax obstinacy that permeates the modern GOP.
“That’s foolish,” Grover Norquist, the architect of the bedrock never-raise-taxes pledge that nearly every Republican has signed, told TPM in an interview. “It’s stup—it’s bizarre.” “There’s a guy who watched his father throw away his presidency on a 2:1 (ratio of spending cuts to tax increases) promise,” Norquist said of Bush. “And he thinks he’s sophisticated by saying that he’d take a 10:1 promise. He doesn’t understand — he’s just agreed to walk down the same alley his dad did with the same gang. And he thinks he’s smart. You walk down that alley, you don’t come out. You certainly don’t come out with 2:1 or 10:1.” http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/grover-norquist-jeb-bush-ronald-reagan-taxes.php?ref=fpa http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/11/1099151/-Jeb-Bush-Excommunicated-For-Republican-Party
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| kpete | Jun 2012 | OP | |
| Raven | Jun 2012 | #1 | |
| Scuba | Jun 2012 | #2 | |
| Woody Woodpecker | Jun 2012 | #6 | |
| Arugula Latte | Jun 2012 | #20 | |
| tech3149 | Jun 2012 | #30 | |
| monmouth | Jun 2012 | #33 | |
| Quixote1818 | Jun 2012 | #24 | |
| intheflow | Jun 2012 | #38 | |
| HockeyMom | Jun 2012 | #3 | |
| KurtNYC | Jun 2012 | #4 | |
| liberalnationalist | Jun 2012 | #5 | |
| Raven | Jun 2012 | #7 | |
| liberalnationalist | Jun 2012 | #12 | |
| BeyondGeography | Jun 2012 | #8 | |
| tech3149 | Jun 2012 | #32 | |
| Solly Mack | Jun 2012 | #9 | |
| rhett o rick | Jun 2012 | #10 | |
| madamesilverspurs | Jun 2012 | #11 | |
| BumRushDaShow | Jun 2012 | #15 | |
| liberalnationalist | Jun 2012 | #17 | |
| TahitiNut | Jun 2012 | #27 | |
| JHB | Jun 2012 | #13 | |
| sadbear | Jun 2012 | #14 | |
| FSogol | Jun 2012 | #16 | |
| Tommy_Carcetti | Jun 2012 | #18 | |
| SoutherDem | Jun 2012 | #19 | |
| sellitman | Jun 2012 | #21 | |
| Phlem | Jun 2012 | #22 | |
| Malikshah | Jun 2012 | #23 | |
| zeemike | Jun 2012 | #25 | |
| lindysalsagal | Jun 2012 | #37 | |
| librechik | Jun 2012 | #26 | |
| L0oniX | Jun 2012 | #35 | |
| bvar22 | Jun 2012 | #28 | |
| LongTomH | Jun 2012 | #29 | |
| steve2470 | Jun 2012 | #31 | |
| aint_no_life_nowhere | Jun 2012 | #34 | |
| Marr | Jun 2012 | #36 | |
| Egalitarian Thug | Jun 2012 | #39 | |
| goclark | Jun 2012 | #40 |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:39 AM
Raven (11,053 posts)
1. Jeb is reading the tea leaves...
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pardon the pun...he is anticipating a Republican Party meltdown and setting himself up to be the savior in 2016. Norquist is starting to sputter...losing his grip.
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Response to Raven (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:42 AM
Scuba (26,776 posts)
2. That's how I see it. The Republican Party is in decline, despite Scott Walker's "win".
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I put "win" in quotes, for a reason. Check my sig line.
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Response to Raven (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:58 AM
Woody Woodpecker (562 posts)
6. Sorry. Even a sane American will still reject Bush
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as he fostered the seed of stupidness and created the Tea Party.
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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Reply #6)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:00 PM
Arugula Latte (40,178 posts)
20. "Every sane American"
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So that means Jebby can get more than 50 percent of the vote.
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Response to Woody Woodpecker (Reply #6)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:29 PM
tech3149 (3,309 posts)
30. No matter what Jeb says or does, I'll still follow the advice of Rev. Al
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"STAY OUT THE BUSHES!"
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Response to tech3149 (Reply #30)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:31 PM
monmouth (21,078 posts)
33. I think the real truth is that Jeb hates Norquist, sees him for what he is, a manipulative,
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dishonest charlatan. I give Jeb some credit for this.
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Response to Raven (Reply #1)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:31 PM
Quixote1818 (16,565 posts)
24. Their may be something bigger going on behind the scenes
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Mutiny on the bounty only the big shots who use to run the ship are going to take it back. |
Response to Raven (Reply #1)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 12:00 AM
intheflow (24,001 posts)
38. +1
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That's the first thing I thought of - except I think he's being supported and encouraged by a team of Republicans who see the writing on the wall and want to switch marketing gears. Hence, a gently, seemingly sane member of the Bush Dynasty suddenly "sees the light." I don't buy it; there are no benign members of the BFEE.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:46 AM
HockeyMom (10,716 posts)
3. The Republican Party of today is nothing
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like it was 20, 30, or 40 years ago. Yes, they have gone that far right, including being strangled by the religious right wing.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:47 AM
KurtNYC (12,069 posts)
4. the republicans don't like what their base is asking for right now
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the primaries dragged on as Ron Paul got way too much of the vote in one state after another. Now Jeb is having a public spat with them. They are coming apart at the seams.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:54 AM
liberalnationalist (170 posts)
5. Jeb is a thief
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but that does not discount his opinion on this...I agree with him
I think he knows the republican party is in for a big suprise this fall! |
Response to liberalnationalist (Reply #5)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:59 AM
Raven (11,053 posts)
7. A lot of George W's people are working
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with Romney. I'm sure Jed is getting the ugly inside scoop on that pathetic campaign and its candidate.
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Response to Raven (Reply #7)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:11 AM
liberalnationalist (170 posts)
12. good point
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I didn't even think of that
its bizarre but its the truth |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:59 AM
BeyondGeography (21,318 posts)
8. Grover is stoopbizarre
Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #8)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:39 PM
tech3149 (3,309 posts)
32. I may hate Norquist with the heat of a thousand suns but I'll never consider him stupid
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He's an extremely intelligent, self-serving, manipulative sociopath. He is a dangerous person that should be considered in the same vein as a starved, cornered wild animal. He will do anything and everything to assure his current survival without realizing that in the end it will assure his own destruction.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:04 AM
Solly Mack (49,517 posts)
9. Selection 2000. Fuck JEB.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:08 AM
rhett o rick (26,736 posts)
10. Something big is afoot. Norquist and the Tea Party are headed for a fall.
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Jeb will lead the "more sensible" Repukes retake the party from the crazies.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:10 AM
madamesilverspurs (6,763 posts)
11. Jeb is no more trustworthy
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than any other member of his insidious family of pillagers and plunderers. His remarks are likely nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to make him more widely pallatable for 2016, and Grover Fuckwad Norquist is merely playing his part in the charade. They are banking on short memory. Reality is that this country cannot CANNOT risk another Bush in the White House. Not ever.
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Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #11)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:25 AM
BumRushDaShow (11,956 posts)
15. Thing is
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I think the tea crazies are starting to impact the BFEE and they may be trying to find a way around them.
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Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #11)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:37 AM
liberalnationalist (170 posts)
17. agreed!
Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #11)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:47 PM
TahitiNut (71,568 posts)
27. The GOP will reap what they sow - division, discontent, blame-shifting, and ...
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... an utter disregard for integrity or empiricism.
Stand back and watch them PROVE that there's no such thing as a zero-sum game in human relations. There is no win-lose; there is only win-win or lose-lose. They're playing lose-lose. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:21 AM
JHB (17,810 posts)
13. Jeb is scenting that the anti-tax fanatics may finally lose their grip...
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...and positioning himself as the "reasonable conservative" to gather 'round in the aftermath of a Teapocalypse.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:21 AM
sadbear (4,219 posts)
14. Sounds like an NRC contingency plan
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for when the tea party is ultimately rejected by America. They'll need someone to rebuild the GOP after the tea party destroys it, so they're kicking Jeb out so he won't have the stench on him.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:30 AM
FSogol (16,037 posts)
16. Jeb's just brushing up his bona fides with the "independents" & "mavericks" for his 2016
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Presidential run. In Jeb's case, the should be called "phony fides."
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:02 AM
Tommy_Carcetti (16,518 posts)
18. Well, I don't want him either.
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Corrupt asshole ran my state into the ground. Perhaps he's not welcome in the GOP anymore (quite sad) but he's not welcome on my side of the aisle either.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:48 AM
SoutherDem (2,151 posts)
19. I still would never vote for Bush
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But, it shows that Grover Norquist is losing power, the tea-baggers are losing power and fear is setting in.
While, I wouldn't vote for Bush I am glad to see the Republican starting to take these positions. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:12 PM
sellitman (9,305 posts)
21. Nice to see some internal struggle develop in the GOP
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Its way to early to really get excited about it until after Obama gives them the whooping of their lives later in the year.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:13 PM
Phlem (1,338 posts)
22. Hmm.
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Sounds like he's gone undercover for the GOP. The excommunication is just the "convincing" of the slow that he's not GOP anymore. I wouldn't even think he ex GOP, the bush family are lying "evildoer's".
-p |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:18 PM
Malikshah (4,801 posts)
23. Excommunicated or not, DO NOT let this child of Ungoliant near public office again. He's as
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criminal as the day is long. A vile creature from a vile family that has done immeasurable damage to this country and the world.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
zeemike (10,830 posts)
25. Don't you believe it...he is just playing good cop.
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And is hedging the GOP bet for 2016.
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Response to zeemike (Reply #25)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:41 PM
lindysalsagal (1,804 posts)
37. "We aren't crazy!!! We aren't crazy!!!"
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They think everyone is as stupid as they are immoral.
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Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:34 PM
librechik (25,031 posts)
26. What???!! The Dauphin refused to kiss the ring and slippers of The Little Macchiavelli?
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Last edited Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:35 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) what are the dwarves going to do now???!!
(picturing the entire Repub party running around in circles naked with their hands over their ears.) |
Response to librechik (Reply #26)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:32 PM
L0oniX (17,360 posts)
35. +1 Macchiavelli is right!
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:06 PM
bvar22 (29,549 posts)
28. Thats OK.
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Like Arlen Specter, Jebbie can find a comfortable new home in the centrist wing of the "New Democrat" Party. He wouldn't have to change a thing except his registration.
The Florida DLCers would roll out the Welcome mat and consider it a Political WIN. You will know them by their WORKS, not by their excuses. Solidarity99! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:26 PM
LongTomH (3,997 posts)
29. There is definitely dirty work afoot!
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There is almost certainly a behind-the-scenes battle for control of the GOP; but, it's far from certain who will be left standing when the smoke clears. A fratricidal battle in the GOP may be our best hope to keep control of the Senate and White House in 2012; however, don't and I repeat, don't count the Tea Party crazies out!
The most likely outcome will be, that the Teahadists will re-emerge by 2016, more likely by 2014, rebranded and with new slogans. The people behind the Tea Party are largely people who were active in the Religious Right in the Reagan years. The whacko wing of the Republican party is not going to relinquish control! We may see a brief period, after the election when the brain-free media announce that "The moderates have retaken control of the Republican party from 'the conservatives.'" The M$Media, of course, refers to the far right as 'moderates' and the absolute loonies as 'conservatives.' I think we all realize that there hasn't been any such thing as a Republican 'moderate' for more than a generation! The Tea Party is an astroturf, Frankenstein monster created by big money types like the Koch brothers and Machiavellian strategists like Norquist and Karl Rove. If the monster meets his end in a burning windmill, well, back to the lab! |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:37 PM
steve2470 (14,742 posts)
31. "Even a few Republicans around Tallahassee have described the governor's style as 'dictatorial.' "
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http://www.governing.com/topics/politics/Jeobcracy.html
Yet another reason never to elect another Bush. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:42 PM
aint_no_life_nowhere (18,936 posts)
34. From the Garden Gnome who has psycho-sexual fantasies about drowning babies in bathtubs
Response to kpete (Original post)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:40 PM
Marr (13,674 posts)
36. Amazing how "stupid" people become when they diverge from orthodoxy, isn't it?
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Last edited Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:45 PM USA/ET - Edit history (4) I remember reading some remarks by Helen Keller about a newspaper publisher, shortly after she started talking about political ideas he didn't like:
"At that time the compliments he paid me were so generous that I blush to remember them. But now that I have come out for socialism he reminds me and the public that I am blind and deaf and especially liable to error.” Still, I expect Jeb is reading the political winds here. Anyone who isn't a complete ideologue would have to realize that the extremist personae the GOP is wearing these days is a big political liability for someone... oh... running for the presidency. |
Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 01:47 AM
Egalitarian Thug (7,173 posts)
39. He's running in 2016. eof.
Response to kpete (Original post)
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 02:06 AM
goclark (30,404 posts)
40. Question> If RMoney "dropped out" of the race
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for some "trumped up reason" ~ who would be the nominee for the Rethugs?
I just have this feeling that Jeb can see 2012 in his mirror. Could he be put in place during their convention or would it be Rick S. ? |

