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Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:44 AM

On my facebook page this morning...

The quote's an oldie, but a goodie. He wrote it for the TV series "The West Wing"

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Reply On my facebook page this morning... (Original post)
FourScore Jun 2012 OP
elleng Jun 2012 #1
SnowCritter Jun 2012 #2
calimary Jun 2012 #21
elleng Jun 2012 #22
calimary Jun 2012 #34
patrice Jun 2012 #3
adigal Jun 2012 #4
dreampunk Jun 2012 #5
Rainngirl Jun 2012 #6
Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #7
Faux pas Jun 2012 #8
amuse bouche Jun 2012 #9
calimary Jun 2012 #24
Indydem Jun 2012 #10
ErikJ Jun 2012 #13
Indydem Jun 2012 #14
ErikJ Jun 2012 #15
jeff47 Jun 2012 #17
ErikJ Jun 2012 #19
JJ Jun 2012 #27
NOLALady Jun 2012 #37
lastlib Jun 2012 #11
freshwest Jun 2012 #12
Kablooie Jun 2012 #16
Pool Hall Ace Jun 2012 #18
ErikJ Jun 2012 #20
Tx4obama Jun 2012 #32
DianaForRussFeingold Jun 2012 #35
Curmudgeoness Jun 2012 #23
Ashley96 Jun 2012 #25
YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #26
calimary Jun 2012 #28
tblue Jun 2012 #29
Pab Sungenis Jun 2012 #30
Tx4obama Jun 2012 #31
KeepItReal Jun 2012 #33
Tripod Jun 2012 #36
eaglesfanintn Jun 2012 #38
DianaForRussFeingold Jun 2012 #39

Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:48 AM

1. Watch The West Wing reruns regularly,

for SANITY!

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:28 PM

2. Got all seven seasons on DVD.

My wife and I watch them in their entirety about twice a year.

Love it!

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Response to elleng (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 05:21 PM

21. That was just about the only thing that got us through the bush2 years.

The idea that - SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW, there was at least the thought of a proud liberal President and staff - that was for the most part pretty effective with the media. Even if it was only in fantasy and fiction. At least that idea was still embraced - SOMEWHERE that counted.

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Response to calimary (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:41 PM

22. STILL counts in MY house!

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Response to elleng (Reply #22)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:35 AM

34. And at ours as well!



I remember reading an Aaron Sorkin piece during Campaign 2008 in which he imagined that candidate Barack Obama went to visit former President Jed Bartlet at his New Hampshire farm. Bartlet took him to task for not being tougher on his opponents, and, in particular, denounced the dumbing-down of America and how many voters seem to gravitate toward candidates who are stupid and ill-informed, while we cut funding to schools, lay off teachers, and seek mainly to "teach to the test." And Bartlet advised Obama to stare 'em down and challenge the entire metastasizing sickness of aiming low and racing to the bottom - straight in the face. Put it to these people: "just what is it with you people - what do you have against excellence?"

GREAT question. Still not answered.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:37 PM

3. Like LO, I've NEVER been anything but proud to be a Liberal. nt

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:38 PM

4. Beautiful!! I am going to copy this and put it on my Facebook page

I may tag my conservative cousins, just to see their heads spin!!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:44 PM

5. Thanks FourScore,

now I will re-post it on my facebook...ask that it be shared around the world!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:47 PM

6. I posted it, too

But there are tons of stupid comments on there from Fox Kool-aid drinkers. They don't even make any sense! Yet they always seem to make their crazy statements with conviction. Idiots.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 12:59 PM

7. thanks,,just posted it on my facebook page

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:18 PM

8. Thanks, now it's on my page too.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 01:19 PM

9. Love this

But how can I make a copy?

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Response to amuse bouche (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 07:47 PM

24. I think it involves a "right-click" on the photo and then a small window opens up and

your choices will include "Save this image" and that should allow you to save it to your computer. I have a Mac so I don't have a "right-click." So instead I put the cursor on the image, and click "Control" and the mousepad at the same time. Probably am not explaining it very well, but when you have that little mousepad built-in on your laptop and you click on the lower third of it to do something on the computer, just hit the "Control" button at the same time you click on the mousepad.

I do hope, though, that somebody who's sharper than I am at these things will weigh in. I may be committing malpractice here.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM

10. Hmmm. Thats not entirely true.

While damn near all of that is true, the women's vote was secured by republicans. Susan B. Anthony was a republican, and the vote was republican driven, filibustered by democrats, and long opposed by president Wilson until it was politically expedient for him to support it.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:53 PM

13. Wiki says Wilson appealed the House for the 19th. The conservative Dixiecrats all opposed it.



Nineteenth Amendment-Wikipedia



Many groups were opposed to women's suffrage at the time.
On January 12, 1915, a suffrage bill was brought before the House of Representatives but was defeated by a vote of 204 to 174. Another bill was brought before the House on January 10, 1918. On the evening before, President Wilson made a strong and widely published appeal to the House to pass the bill. It was passed by two-thirds of the House, with only one vote to spare. The vote was then carried into the Senate. Again President Wilson made an appeal, but on September 30, 1918, the amendment fell two votes short of passage. On February 10, 1919, it was again voted upon, and then it was lost by only one vote.
There was considerable anxiety among politicians of both parties to have the amendment passed and made effective before the general elections of 1920, so the President called a special session of Congress, and a bill, introducing the amendment, was brought before the House again. On May 21, 1919, it was passed, 42 votes more than necessary being obtained. On June 4, 1919, it was brought before the Senate, and after a long discussion it was passed, with 56 ayes and 25 nays. Within a few days, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Michigan ratified the amendment, their legislatures being then in session. Other states followed suit at a regular pace, until the amendment had been ratified by 35 of the necessary 36 state legislatures. After Washington on March 22, 1920, ratification languished for months. Finally, on August 26, 1920, Tennessee narrowly ratified the Nineteenth Amendment, making it the law throughout the United States.
Nearly twenty years later Maryland ratified the amendment in 1941. After another ten years, in 1952, Virginia ratified the nineteenth amendment, followed by Alabama in 1953. After another 16 years Florida and South Carolina passed the necessary votes to ratify in 1969, followed two years later by Georgia and Louisiana in 1970 in 1971.
Mississippi did not ratify the nineteenth amendment until 1984, sixty four years after the law was enacted nationally.

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:00 PM

14. From Wiki on Women's Suffrage


During the beginning of the 20th century, as women's suffrage faced several important federal votes, a portion of the suffrage movement known as the National Women's Party led by suffragette Alice Paul became the first "cause" to picket outside the White House. Paul and Lucy Burns led a series of protests against the Wilson Administration in Washington. Wilson ignored the protests for six months, but on June 20, 1917, as a Russian delegation drove up to the White House, suffragettes unfurled a banner which stated; "We women of America tell you that America is not a democracy. Twenty million women are denied the right to vote. President Wilson is the chief opponent of their national enfranchisement". Another banner on August 14, 1917, referred to "Kaiser Wilson" and compared the plight of the German people with that of American women. With this manner of protest, the women were subject to arrests and many were jailed. On October 17, Alice Paul was sentenced to seven months and on October 30 began a hunger strike, but after a few days prison authorities began to force feed her. After years of opposition, Wilson changed his position in 1918 to advocate women's suffrage as a war measure.
The key vote came on June 4, 1919, when the Senate approved the amendment by 56 to 25 after four hours of debate, during which Democratic Senators opposed to the amendment filibustered to prevent a roll call until their absent Senators could be protected by pairs. The Ayes included 36 (82%) Republicans and 20 (54%) Democrats. The Nays comprised 8 (18%) Republicans and 17 (46%) Democrats. It was ratified by sufficient states in 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment, which prohibited state or federal sex-based restrictions on voting.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:11 PM

15. He didnt say Republicans or Dems-he said Libs and Cons--The Dixiecrats were VERY Conservative

THe Dixiecrats all became Republican after the Civil Rights Act of 1965. The GOP's Southern Strategy. Wiki:

In American politics, the Southern strategy refers to the Republican Party strategy of winning elections in Southern states by exploiting anti-African American racism and fears of lawlessness among Southern white voters and appealing to fears of growing federal power in social and economic matters (generally lumped under the concept of states' rights). Though the "Solid South" had been a longtime Democratic Party stronghold due to the Democratic Party's defense of slavery prior to the American Civil War and segregation for a century thereafter, many white Southern Democrats stopped supporting the party following the civil rights plank of the Democratic campaign in 1948 (triggering the Dixiecrats), the African-American Civil Rights Movement, the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965, and desegregation.
The strategy was first adopted under future Republican President Richard Nixon and Republican Senator Barry Goldwater in the late 1960s. The strategy was successful in some regards. It contributed to the electoral realignment of Southern states to the Republican Party, but at the expense of losing more than ninety percent of black voters to the Democratic Party. As the twentieth century came to a close, the Republican Party began trying to appeal again to black voters, though with little success. In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized for his party's use of the Southern Strategy in the previous century.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:15 PM

17. Dixicrats were not Democrats

They were Republicans that hated Lincoln so much that they could not join the Republican party.

Until their hatred of Blacks overruled their hatred of Lincoln during the Johnson administration.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:35 PM

19. See above post-Dixiecrats were social conservative Democrats until they switched to GOP in 6

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Response to Indydem (Reply #10)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:18 PM

27. Republicans were the liberals at one time, believe it or not

at least liberal on social issues, if not economic ones.

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Response to Indydem (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:14 AM

37. The Dixiecrats were conservative,

and the Radical Republicans were Liberal.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:09 PM

11. Liberals wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.

Conservatives made corporations people and sold our democratic process to them--for money.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 02:13 PM

12. That's why I've always been proud to be a liberal, because the other side is so ignorant.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:14 PM

16. Not to mention they created the United States of America.

The conservative faction wanted to suck it up and remain a faithful colony of England.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 03:29 PM

18. Today's conservatives want to create a country called "Amercia"

that is founded on their interpretation Christian Bible.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 04:22 PM

20. I like LO's MSNBC promo quote about thE GI Bill which the GOP called Welfare.

Does anybody know it?

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:39 PM

32. Here's the video of Lawrence's GI BILL promo ad





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Response to Tx4obama (Reply #32)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:21 AM

35. Wise Man! Here's President Obama on the G. I. Bill Of Rights

Your video brought to mind when the President talked about his Grandfather going to college on the GI Bill..

"Where would we be right now, if the people who sat here before us decided not to build our highways, not to build our bridges, our dams, our airports.. What would this country be like, if we had chosen not to spend money on public high schools or research universities or community colleges."...more"

From the State of the Union address, President Obama talks about the GI Bill And MORE,
(48 seconds!); PBS News Hour:

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 06:51 PM

23. I refuse to be told that "liberal" is a dirty word.

Long live the liberals!!!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:42 PM

25. Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team)

 

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 08:43 PM

26. I totally stole this and posted it.

It's already been shared a few times as well. =)
Thanks for sharing.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:29 PM

28. Posted on my page!

Along with my steadfast refusal to accept that "liberal" would be considered some sort of dirty word. I'm proud of that heritage!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:45 PM

29. I can't stand watching Lawrence, but this is a great quote.

He annoys me until I cannot bear to watch him. But I like this quote and I'll probably share it too! Thanks!!!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 10:54 PM

30. "It's not Uncle Fluffy!"

 

If only real life liberals would grow this spine.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:35 PM

31. Here's the VIDEO from West Wing that contains the quote that's up in the OP





From The Debate episode, season seven of the West Wing
"The Debate" between Arnold Vinick and Matt Santos

Written by Lawrence O'Donnell


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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:45 PM

33. <Right Click>.... "Save Image As"

Something I'm posting to my Facebook page in November...

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 02:35 AM

36. Great post, Thx, n/t

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:37 AM

38. Great Quote

And, as others have pointed out, he didn't say Republican or Democrats did this. Both parties can check off the accomplishments they were responsible for (or at least in power at the time). But, there are precious few in the Republican party today that would be proud of those that their party could take credit for.
You can call me "liberal" or "progressive" if you want or, you could just call me a human being that thinks that, indeed, all men are created equal and that we should look out for our fellow humans, a human that thinks that we are caretakers of this world and we're doing a pretty crappy job of it and an American that's usually proud of what this country can do when our hearts and minds are working together.

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Response to eaglesfanintn (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 03:19 PM

39. "Like" I agree! We're all in this together!

I was watching President Obama
give a great speech in Ohio... I came to check out this op..

I just wanted you to know, I saw your post and I love it!


It's so true! Welcome to DU!

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