Sun Jun 10, 2012, 07:37 AM

If the Union Members are going to not support themselves then why should I continue to support them?

Why should I bother to Support Unions Anymore When over 35% of Union Members in Wisconsin voted for Walker!

WTF is wrong with them?

I have always supported Unions.
Unions helped many in my extended family over the years. Almost everything I buy is Union made.
My home, 6 years old now, was built by Union Labor
All of my cars have been made by Union Labor
I shop at Union Grocery Stores when I am not buying from local farmers.

Perhaps some current Union members can explain why its members are voting for their own demise?

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If the Union Members are going to not support themselves then why should I continue to support them? (Original post)	dinopipie	Jun 2012	OP
What's your source for	pintobean	Jun 2012	#1
That number was widely reported in the news from multiple sources	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#8
In other words	pintobean	Jun 2012	#11
Did I say I was no longer going to support them?	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#21
Did you catch the "if"?	pintobean	Jun 2012	#27
If it is slander as you calim then sue me	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#32
Aren't you special.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#33
You are just being rude. I saw that reported on the news also, just as the OP said.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#101
Keep reading.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#102
Bless the hearts of the fucking news and their shitty reporting.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#103
Oh, I believe you heard it correctly.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#105
The only thing it says is that the OP asked a question on what they heard reported.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#106
If you're ok with false information	pintobean	Jun 2012	#107
It's not false information. The OP created a post asking a question based on what was reported	Autumn	Jun 2012	#111
Fuck it.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#112
Fuck it yourself.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#114
classy	pintobean	Jun 2012	#118
Pretty classy there yourself	Autumn	Jun 2012	#120
Yeah, you too.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#121
Don't need to compare notes with anyone.	Autumn	Jun 2012	#122
Sarcastic answers won't support your point	demwing	Jun 2012	#70
You just did	pintobean	Jun 2012	#73
Ah I see	demwing	Jun 2012	#95
Ah I see	pintobean	Jun 2012	#97
No I just think	demwing	Jun 2012	#126
Oh, I know what the OP means	pintobean	Jun 2012	#128
Sorry my bad	demwing	Jun 2012	#131
wow. we are all impressed...well, 32.573% of us anyway.	ret5hd	Jun 2012	#28
Isn't he though?	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#67
I agree with you..n/t	monmouth	Jun 2012	#17
Hi! Husband works for KCPL	Ship of Fools	Jun 2012	#63
The source of the confusion may be this: Union Members at 27%..Union households at 35%..n/t	whathehell	Jun 2012	#18
Confusion, or propaganda.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#23
Seems like you are missing the point of the OP	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#30
I think I nailed the point	pintobean	Jun 2012	#40
Your original post hits the nail right on the head. All these folks obsessing about the exact # or	pangaia	Jun 2012	#82
This message was self-deleted by its author	pintobean	Jun 2012	#35
If you think so	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#36
Well, thanks for your concern.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#41
If you don't want me to buy union made goods and services just say so	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#49
Go back to post #11 and do the math.	pintobean	Jun 2012	#59
Damn! Take a Breath.	12AngryBorneoWildmen	Jun 2012	#81
I'm breathing just fine	pintobean	Jun 2012	#83
I agree, you ARE breathing just fine	demwing	Jun 2012	#135
It's livelihood	Alcibiades	Jun 2012	#65
That's what I heard on the Ed Show.	whathehell	Jun 2012	#134
27% of any US population seems to be nuts.	K8-EEE	Jun 2012	#117
I can well understand.	cyclezealot	Jun 2012	#34
Maybe Fox News is targeted toward them?	Turbineguy	Jun 2012	#2
I'm interested in the answers to your question.	Laurian	Jun 2012	#3
You should support them because it's the right thing to do. (nt)	Skinner	Jun 2012	#4
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#143
That sums it up	Harmony Blue	Jun 2012	#152
Plus eleventy billion! n/t	Violet_Crumble	Jun 2012	#154
Those were probably members forced to join and not voluntary members. nt	Honeycombe8	Jun 2012	#5
Nice Republican talking point	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#69
I'm not convinced that report is accurate...	Sancho	Jun 2012	#6
Bradblog.com has been recording proprietary voting machine anomalies for years now.	valerief	Jun 2012	#58
They have long needed to clean house. nt	LaydeeBug	Jun 2012	#7
I remember Back in the day seeing 2 of my Union Uncles	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#10
In this day and age, I have a guy I grew up with who is now in Ohio working for GM, praising repigs	LaydeeBug	Jun 2012	#13
Back when I was in the military	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#16
There's something like that here at DU.	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#77
Your 'Union Uncles' by training scabs, became scabs themselves...	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#43
Maybe I misunderstood the post	SickOfTheOnePct	Jun 2012	#45
You are correct	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#51
Ah, but you missed the lesson?	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#54
+1	pintobean	Jun 2012	#62
WOW! You completely misunderstood the post (as did I) and yet	12AngryBorneoWildmen	Jun 2012	#88
Divide and conquer	Enrique	Jun 2012	#9
Are you really sure that you want to accept that 35% of Union members voted for Walker?	HereSince1628	Jun 2012	#12
Other Factors In Play As Well	DallasNE	Jun 2012	#29
Yes, well, there was a headline: Milwaukee archbishop backs unions	HereSince1628	Jun 2012	#66
Archbishop Backs Principle Of Unions But	DallasNE	Jun 2012	#108
You understand that Unions are just like any other group of humans	Sherman A1	Jun 2012	#14
Thank you for your concern.	aquart	Jun 2012	#15
So you think the very day of the elections everyone knows what union members	lunatica	Jun 2012	#19
Apparently you aren't a union member yourself -	hedgehog	Jun 2012	#20
Because there is no union for what I do	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#24
What do you do?	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#89
What do I do?	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#113
Oh, I get it	pintobean	Jun 2012	#115
FWIW, your smug attitude and sense of entitlement is really creepy - n/t	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#144
My reaction exactly. nt	Blecht	Jun 2012	#145
Union leadership a long time ago made the mistake	mmonk	Jun 2012	#22
Yes! Punish them all because of a few in WI! Brilliant!	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#25
35% is not just a few. Let's be honest here. n/t	vaberella	Jun 2012	#31
In One State...out of those who voted.	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#37
I thought his post was wholly dependent on WI and not the ENTIRE labor force. n/t	vaberella	Jun 2012	#53
It seems to me	JNelson6563	Jun 2012	#80
Oh understood. You're right.	vaberella	Jun 2012	#104
I can't believe that exit poll. It's like believing the exit poll where the race is too close to	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#26
You can't believe the exit polls? If elections are often rigged,	HomerRamone	Jun 2012	#56
Hard to tell what to believe isn't it. Seems something could be done to instill	shcrane71	Jun 2012	#68
Assuming you mean the Walker recall, Scotty exempted some Unions from attack...	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#38
Class.	TBF	Jun 2012	#39
Speaking as the child of a labor organizer in the nineteen forties...	whathehell	Jun 2012	#155
Agree - I knew it as the daughter of a union worker in the 70s	TBF	Jun 2012	#157
"Almost everything I buy is Union made"	justgamma	Jun 2012	#42
Google is your friend	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#46
And yet you apparently could not google up information on exempt Unions in Wisconsin	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#52
Pick a little. Talk a little. Pick a little. Talk a little.	12AngryBorneoWildmen	Jun 2012	#91
Unions Are Not A Monolith...Solidarity Has Been A Problem For A Long Time	KharmaTrain	Jun 2012	#44
Well put	SickOfTheOnePct	Jun 2012	#47
Finger Pointing...A DU Tradition...	KharmaTrain	Jun 2012	#64
Back when I was living in Europe	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#48
I see it at work	tomkoop	Jun 2012	#50
A union is strong as the membership. Maybe	B Calm	Jun 2012	#79
Can't join	tomkoop	Jun 2012	#85
The fact that individuals are afraid of their bosses is why collective action is needed	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#99
YES	tomkoop	Jun 2012	#123
Why even ask this question?	drm604	Jun 2012	#55
Fear	rucky	Jun 2012	#57
Spot on n/t	SickOfTheOnePct	Jun 2012	#60
Whether a member of a Union or not most workers receive residual benefit by the	Snotcicles	Jun 2012	#61
Because of labor the recall happened, however, I do know this, because of labor Reagan won, and	still_one	Jun 2012	#71
Faux News.	Faygo Kid	Jun 2012	#72
Bingo. Millions are voting against their best interests. And that includes union members.	RufusTFirefly	Jun 2012	#76
Your logic is flawed, but welcome to DU.	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#74
Then don't support unions.	Robb	Jun 2012	#75
Well, I've read	pintobean	Jun 2012	#78
Thanks. It just sort of came out.	Robb	Jun 2012	#139
Bravo! This needed to be said! His support, shall we say, is	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#146
This is concern troll at its best....	trumad	Jun 2012	#84
In states without Right to Work...	Sen. Walter Sobchak	Jun 2012	#86
As a current union member, I ask you to support worker rights!	AllyCat	Jun 2012	#87
Not every union member supports unions, and even supporters may have other priorities	thesquanderer	Jun 2012	#90
yep, the baby with the bathwater routine	stupidicus	Jun 2012	#92
I think you are missing the point.	Tom Rinaldo	Jun 2012	#93
So you are only going to support causes and rights that get 100% of their internal vote?	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#94
The GLBT vote is around 75% and more Democratic.	Bluenorthwest	Jun 2012	#96
Okay, so 25% defection is our line for support? Is 27% of union members (rather than 35% of	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#109
The OP is disingenuous.	Son of Gob	Jun 2012	#100
Oh, no, I truly believe he's a 7%er who "works in the shadows"...	WorseBeforeBetter	Jun 2012	#124
. . .	Son of Gob	Jun 2012	#141
Hah-hah. I was picking up exactly the same sort of	coalition_unwilling	Jun 2012	#147
typical of many posts here	demwing	Jun 2012	#130
I see a reasoned response	brentspeak	Jun 2012	#137
Union Members do support themselves. And you should support unions b/c it's the right thing to do.	fishwax	Jun 2012	#98
You have every right to express frustration at union workers that vote for Walker.	pennylane100	Jun 2012	#110
What I find very interesting is the European Manufactures in the USA	dinopipie	Jun 2012	#116
You have to wonder why they moved those jobs here.	Zalatix	Jun 2012	#125
That would certainly seem like wasted opportunities.	pennylane100	Jun 2012	#140
precisely, nt	demwing	Jun 2012	#127
Seriously in need of a history book or two	nadinbrzezinski	Jun 2012	#119
Just curious...where did the OP call for 100% solidity?	demwing	Jun 2012	#129
Post #8 nt	pintobean	Jun 2012	#132
Yeah, a demand for 100% would be pretty unrealistic	demwing	Jun 2012	#133
The OP has been asked to clarify what they literally mean.	TheKentuckian	Jun 2012	#138
Can't speak forthe OP	demwing	Jun 2012	#148
I answered your question	pintobean	Jun 2012	#149
Lol, you're a riot. If you don't know what the OP is thinking	demwing	Jun 2012	#150
I was referring to your comments about	pintobean	Jun 2012	#151
Sure.	demwing	Jun 2012	#153
Here Is Why EVERYBODY Should Support The Unions...	WillyT	Jun 2012	#136
I can think of reasons	FreeJoe	Jun 2012	#142
I agree.	Zoeisright	Jun 2012	#156
You shouldn't. You know you don't want to.	Iggo	Jun 2012	#158

Response to dinopipie (Original post)

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 07:54 AM

pintobean (8,958 posts)

1. What's your source for

Last edited Sun Jun 10, 2012, 07:57 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

"over 35% of Union Members in Wisconsin voted for Walker"? I think you're referring to voters with a union member in the household. I haven't looked for the source, but Ed Schultz reported that the union members number was 27%.

If the Union Members are going to not support themselves then why should I continue to support them?

1. What's your source for

8. That number was widely reported in the news from multiple sources

11. In other words

21. Did I say I was no longer going to support them?

27. Did you catch the "if"?

32. If it is slander as you calim then sue me

33. Aren't you special.

101. You are just being rude. I saw that reported on the news also, just as the OP said.

102. Keep reading.

103. Bless the hearts of the fucking news and their shitty reporting.

105. Oh, I believe you heard it correctly.

106. The only thing it says is that the OP asked a question on what they heard reported.

107. If you're ok with false information

111. It's not false information. The OP created a post asking a question based on what was reported

112. Fuck it.

114. Fuck it yourself.

118. classy

120. Pretty classy there yourself

121. Yeah, you too.

122. Don't need to compare notes with anyone.

70. Sarcastic answers won't support your point

73. You just did

95. Ah I see

97. Ah I see

126. No I just think

128. Oh, I know what the OP means

131. Sorry my bad

28. wow. we are all impressed...well, 32.573% of us anyway.

67. Isn't he though?

17. I agree with you..n/t

63. Hi! Husband works for KCPL

18. The source of the confusion may be this: Union Members at 27%..Union households at 35%..n/t

23. Confusion, or propaganda.

30. Seems like you are missing the point of the OP

40. I think I nailed the point

82. Your original post hits the nail right on the head. All these folks obsessing about the exact # or

36. If you think so

41. Well, thanks for your concern.

49. If you don't want me to buy union made goods and services just say so

59. Go back to post #11 and do the math.

81. Damn! Take a Breath.

83. I'm breathing just fine

135. I agree, you ARE breathing just fine

65. It's livelihood

134. That's what I heard on the Ed Show.

117. 27% of any US population seems to be nuts.

34. I can well understand.

2. Maybe Fox News is targeted toward them?

3. I'm interested in the answers to your question.

4. You should support them because it's the right thing to do. (nt)

143. +1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely

152. That sums it up

154. Plus eleventy billion! n/t

5. Those were probably members forced to join and not voluntary members. nt

69. Nice Republican talking point

6. I'm not convinced that report is accurate...

58. Bradblog.com has been recording proprietary voting machine anomalies for years now.

7. They have long needed to clean house. nt

10. I remember Back in the day seeing 2 of my Union Uncles

13. In this day and age, I have a guy I grew up with who is now in Ohio working for GM, praising repigs

16. Back when I was in the military

77. There's something like that here at DU.

43. Your 'Union Uncles' by training scabs, became scabs themselves...

45. Maybe I misunderstood the post

51. You are correct

54. Ah, but you missed the lesson?

62. +1

88. WOW! You completely misunderstood the post (as did I) and yet

9. Divide and conquer

12. Are you really sure that you want to accept that 35% of Union members voted for Walker?

29. Other Factors In Play As Well

66. Yes, well, there was a headline: Milwaukee archbishop backs unions

108. Archbishop Backs Principle Of Unions But

14. You understand that Unions are just like any other group of humans

15. Thank you for your concern.

19. So you think the very day of the elections everyone knows what union members

20. Apparently you aren't a union member yourself -

24. Because there is no union for what I do

89. What do you do?