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Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:33 AM Dec 2011

Zombie restaurants

You see them all across the country, in shopping malls and street corners, suburban towns and city centers: zombie restaurants.

Many of the undead are part of familiar chains that filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection this year: Friendly’s, Chevys, Sbarro, Perkins. The zombie restaurants, barely bringing in enough cash to cover basic expenses, always seem to be one sizzling fajita or glazed chicken skewer away from a merciful end, but somehow keep hanging on — leaving too many restaurants chasing after scarce dining dollars.

“There’s a lot of walking dead,” said Bob Goldin, executive vice president for Technomic, a consulting firm that works with restaurant companies. “A lot of chains, they hang in there and they’re hard to kill off.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/business/bankrupt-restaurants-are-still-holding-on.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha25

A sign of the times?

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Zombie restaurants (Original Post) Sherman A1 Dec 2011 OP
I READ SUBJECT LINES ONLY. That said, Zombies need to eat too. Cooley Hurd Dec 2011 #1
I only eat at the ones zombies go to jberryhill Dec 2011 #2
Excuse me, Miss...could you bring us another serving of fresh Brains? BlueJazz Dec 2011 #3
"Eat? Youbetcha." - Zombie Liberation Front (ZLF) SpiralHawk Dec 2011 #9
To truly appreciate zombie restaurants one must go to the Persian Gulf Sen. Walter Sobchak Dec 2011 #4
I LOVED Showbiz Pizza as a kid. Fawke Em Dec 2011 #14
How about Shakey's?? blueamy66 Dec 2011 #44
For the love of God, won't someone think of the profits!? JHB Dec 2011 #5
Agreed Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #7
No argument JHB Dec 2011 #8
You are right, we should try and boycott these places Motown_Johnny Dec 2011 #13
Its because the workers didn't wear enough flair Ichingcarpenter Dec 2011 #6
:) fishwax Dec 2011 #36
Perkins??? Odin2005 Dec 2011 #10
It's a diner type restaurant Aerows Dec 2011 #16
Perkins is good for breakfast. Other meals, not so much. MineralMan Dec 2011 #17
I've never eaten anything but breakfast there Aerows Dec 2011 #19
Perkins is common in the South, I think. ParkieDem Dec 2011 #22
Not in the deep South. I live in North Georgia and have never heard of a Perkins restaurant. n't RebelOne Dec 2011 #42
I know that, I was suprised that it is in trouble. Odin2005 Dec 2011 #24
I love their breakfast Aerows Dec 2011 #40
Yup! Odin2005 Dec 2011 #41
Hell, that would be a hell of a chain concept - BRAINS! HopeHoops Dec 2011 #11
maybe, but... JHB Dec 2011 #12
I never thought of zombies as fashion conscious. HopeHoops Dec 2011 #21
I never thought of zombies as conscious at all! n/t oneshooter Dec 2011 #35
With the right marketing and the right buzz Retrograde Dec 2011 #30
People eat animal testicles too. Some things just wouldn't appeal to me even if I still... HopeHoops Dec 2011 #39
There's got to be a reality show in here somewhere ashling Dec 2011 #15
I loved Chevys proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #18
What was Chevy's? liberalhistorian Dec 2011 #20
pseudo mexican restaurant pretending to be the real thing. lunatica Dec 2011 #23
With great food proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #33
At best it's passable lunatica Dec 2011 #43
Not everyone wants the real thing proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #45
It's still only passable since I wasn't referring to spicy chile dishes lunatica Dec 2011 #46
They're still around. My family and I eat there every once in awhile. neverforget Dec 2011 #29
250 miles away from me. proud2BlibKansan Dec 2011 #34
Ours closed a few weeks ago as well fishwax Dec 2011 #37
I remember reading an article here on DU about some restaurants "re-calibrating" to .... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2011 #25
Check out the ROC Diners' Guide just1voice Dec 2011 #26
It is a good source of information Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #28
interesting story. saving to read later Liberal_in_LA Dec 2011 #27
Not Friendlys! Retrograde Dec 2011 #31
Yes, Friendlys Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #38
Slightly off-topic film recommendation: anybody ever seen the documentary "Family Business"? Proud Public Servant Dec 2011 #32
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. I only eat at the ones zombies go to
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:53 AM
Dec 2011

If you are looking for an authentic zombie restaurant, always look to see if the zombies eat there.
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
4. To truly appreciate zombie restaurants one must go to the Persian Gulf
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:00 AM
Dec 2011

Where franchises of long defunct American fast food chains persist independently. Riyadh and Dubai both for instance have Showbiz Pizza locations that are more or less unchanged from the 1980's.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
5. For the love of God, won't someone think of the profits!?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:22 AM
Dec 2011

So the complaint is that thousands of corporate-owned chain restaurants are "underperforming" in a depressed economy, meaning that they're at least covering their operating costs but aren't sending as much in profits back to the headquarters as they "should". No, the best thing for them is for at least 20,000 to close to boost business for the rest.

Profits are down due to people cutting back, so let's put another one or two hundred thousand out of work! We need to boost profits so we can keep up our shareholder value. Just don't tax them on it. How can we create jobs if we don't destroy jobs?

Say guys, how much are your chain places cutting into the business of locally-owned places? The places where the profits go to the people who are running the place? And spend those profits in their community? Where their customers are?

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
7. Agreed
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 08:50 AM
Dec 2011

however, in all cases these are jobs for the workers, be they locally owned, chain restaurants or these "zombies" and ultimately I believe it is the workers who get screwed.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
8. No argument
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 09:12 AM
Dec 2011

Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:14 PM - Edit history (1)

Owners of local places can be petty tyrants, and chain managers can be decent because it's just a job to them. It usually doesn't make much difference to the low people on the totem pole where the boss is located.

My main beef is with the extreme top-down view of the industry-association people, for whom it's all a numbers game. The chain-restaurant aspect piles on top of that, since over the last three decades many industries have been gutted not because they were not profitable but because they got bought up in mergermania and were required to send bigger profits to the new home office (in many cases despite being saddled with debt from their own takeover, thanks to creative accounting and deregulation).

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
13. You are right, we should try and boycott these places
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:37 AM
Dec 2011

to help "finish them off" so that local establishments can pick up some of the business.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
16. It's a diner type restaurant
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:05 PM
Dec 2011

More upscale than Denny's, sort of like a Shoney's. I used to eat there all the time in Florida. They have these biscuits and sausage gravy that are wonderful, and they serve it with hashbrowns and bacon. It's altogether an invitation to clogged arteries, but when you've been out at night, and 2am rolls around, it's really, really tasty.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
17. Perkins is good for breakfast. Other meals, not so much.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:10 PM
Dec 2011

It's the default here in Minnesota if you're hungry and want breakfast. There's one everywhere. Sort of the upper Midwest's Waffle House, but without those messy grits spoiling your plate. "Morning!"

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
19. I've never eaten anything but breakfast there
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:19 PM
Dec 2011

Either in the wee hours of the morning or at the traditional breakfast eating times. I also like Waffle House, but that's not for breakfast that's for patty melts at lunch .

Now I must take offense to the slander toward the perfectly delicious, humble dish known as grits. Add some butter, some cheese and some Tabasco sauce, and it is a fine addition to breakfast, or just by itself! Of course, I'm a life-long Southerner so naturally I've eaten plenty of grits.

ParkieDem

(494 posts)
22. Perkins is common in the South, I think.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 01:20 PM
Dec 2011

Isn't that where Tiger Woods met one of his lady-friends? Wasn't she a waitress?

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
11. Hell, that would be a hell of a chain concept - BRAINS!
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 10:12 AM
Dec 2011

We got your french fried brains, grilled brains, breaded brains, brains sub, brains alfredo, brains on a stick, etc.

JHB

(37,154 posts)
12. maybe, but...
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 11:29 AM
Dec 2011

...at this point I think by the time you could put it into effect zombies would be one or two stages out of fashion.

Retrograde

(10,129 posts)
30. With the right marketing and the right buzz
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:08 PM
Dec 2011

It could work - not as a chain, but as an exclusive, edgy, trendy place. Back in my youth brains were regularly sold in mainstream supermarkets - they're not bad, but very perishable and very, very high in cholesterol. They're still popular in some places - a couple of the local taquerias serve tacos de sesos.

Brains alfredo - my arteries are hardening just at the thought.

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
39. People eat animal testicles too. Some things just wouldn't appeal to me even if I still...
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 06:57 PM
Dec 2011

... ate meat. Take tripe for example. Just the name sounds wrong.

ashling

(25,771 posts)
15. There's got to be a reality show in here somewhere
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:00 PM
Dec 2011

Gordon Ramsey's Zombie Restraunts

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Robert Irvine's In for the Long Haul

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Bob & Paula Lickin' up those profit yall ....

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
43. At best it's passable
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 09:21 AM
Dec 2011

Not nearly as bad as Taco Bell, but not the real thing. If you want great Mexican food go to your local Mexican family owned (by Mexican/Americans) restaurants. A chain restaurant is a chain restaurant no matter what ethnic food it claims to be serving. Just like going to a real Chinese restaurant or a real Italian restaurant if you want the real food.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
45. Not everyone wants the real thing
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 10:56 AM
Dec 2011

I can't stand real Mexican food. Way too spicy for me. I love adding sour cream and lots of cheese. So Chevys was perfect for me.

I like real Chinese and real Italian but have never liked real Mexican. And I know a lot of people who feel the same way.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
46. It's still only passable since I wasn't referring to spicy chile dishes
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 11:36 AM
Dec 2011

They don't feed their toddlers and children any hot chile for example. Many Mexicans can't eat chiles any more than other people around the world can and the elderly are just as susceptible to food that's too spicy as they are here. Most restaurants will not use chile, though they'll use everything else, while always giving the customers a choice of chile as an added sauce during meals.



proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
34. 250 miles away from me.
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:08 PM
Dec 2011

There was one a few blocks away and it went under and the closest was 100 miles from here. But it closed a few months ago.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
37. Ours closed a few weeks ago as well
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:29 PM
Dec 2011

By sheer happenstance we ate there the day before they announced they were closing the day after. I was glad we did. It was a good meal, but we were the only ones there.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,311 posts)
25. I remember reading an article here on DU about some restaurants "re-calibrating" to ....
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 03:05 PM
Dec 2011

.... get the more affluent clientele because, well, everybody else had no money to spend at restaraunts.

These, I suppose, are the places that haven't changeed.

Another "sign of the times"

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
26. Check out the ROC Diners' Guide
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 03:05 PM
Dec 2011

It rates U.S. restaurants based on pay, paid sick leave, advancement opportunities and equal rights. It's interesting because it points out that 2/3rds of restaurant workers admit to working sick and handling food while sick, which makes paid sick leave a pretty important public health concern.

http://rocunited.org/dinersguide/

Retrograde

(10,129 posts)
31. Not Friendlys!
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:11 PM
Dec 2011

OK, I haven't been there in over a decade, and ASAIK it was strictly a northeast chain, but I have fond memories of their ice cream dishes.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
38. Yes, Friendlys
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 05:50 PM
Dec 2011

is in bankruptcy and I believe they did or were going to close some stores. Visited on this Autumn in PA while on vacation and it simply was much more lackluster than what I had remembered from previous visits.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
32. Slightly off-topic film recommendation: anybody ever seen the documentary "Family Business"?
Wed Dec 28, 2011, 04:38 PM
Dec 2011

It concerns a businessman struggling to keep his Shakey's Pizza franchise afloat, which is why this thread made me think of it (is Shakey's still around?). It's one of the best documentaries ever made; every progressive should see this film if s/he can (it originally aired on PBS in the 70s). Here's a synopsis:

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A prototypical American entrepreneur struggles to make his pizza business go.

Howie Snyder is an archetype: a retired Marine colonel in his mid 40s, he is a prototypical American entrepreneur struggling to make his business go.

Howie's Shakey's Pizza franchise in Muncie, Indiana employs his whole family: wife, nine children, and Howie himself. He's the representative of the American Dream: the chance to invest long hours and hard work in exchange for financial security for oneself and family. To watch Howie Snyder as he dickers for better treatment by the Shakey's chain, as he seeks additional financing to stave off looming bankruptcy, and as he sits morosely counting an evening's disappointing receipts is to watch America at work. And to see Howie's family rally around him in the hour of his greatest need is a heartwarming experience.

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