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kcjohn1

(751 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:48 PM Jun 2016

Sorry to say, but Trump is winning

In news cycle where we have the largest mass shooting in U.S. history, he is dominating the headlines. Some of you may say its bad press, but you underestimate how many bigots you have in this country, and how many people are easily scared by their shadow. His shit is resounding with probably more people than not. Any one disgusted by his current behavior would already have being against Trump. He is now just deepening his support and gaining a few.

This is his path to victory. This guy is master manipulator of media. Every couple of weeks he purposely and calculating gives something absurd to the media and they can't help but to give him millions of free publicity.

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Sorry to say, but Trump is winning (Original Post) kcjohn1 Jun 2016 OP
I'm pretty sure that the reason Bush was re-elected as at least partially Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #1
Probably more than partially. I remember the old scare tactics vividly Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author louis c Jun 2016 #34
Bingo! We have a winner! stopbush Jun 2016 #38
Boom. Kingofalldems Jun 2016 #40
Sorry to be pedantic, but i take issue with the word "re-elected,' since he OnlyTheGood Jun 2016 #73
What a foolish statement. That blowhard scammer is not winning anything. brush Jun 2016 #2
You do know he is lying. The guy did not immigrate to the US so stopping Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #3
Your to logical kcjohn1 Jun 2016 #13
We got an election from 2004 that proves your point. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #18
Your mistakes are "Your" and "to" HERVEPA Jun 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #44
when did his parents immigrate? I listened to some of his Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #17
The guy was born in Queens, dont know when his parents arrived. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #48
Actually, it would have Reter Jun 2016 #55
No, I am correct, the shooter did not immigrate. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #64
No, you are wrong Reter Jun 2016 #65
And the same could be said of almost every person in the US. I say again this guy Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #66
Trump was alluding to if we always had his racist, anti-ME (anti-Muslim) in place Reter Jun 2016 #69
Your opinion, bye. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #72
And what does Trump say about his own immigrant mother? July Jun 2016 #80
No, he only discriminates against Muslim immigrants Reter Jun 2016 #81
Never underestimate stupid people they number in the millions. gordianot Jun 2016 #4
So... do we just give up? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #5
Lot of young people too. seabeckind Jun 2016 #19
From the movie Stripes Lance Bass esquire Jun 2016 #6
He's winning the race to the bottom... Chakaconcarne Jun 2016 #7
Um no. BumRushDaShow Jun 2016 #8
...the Republican Primary. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #9
Bullshit Tsiyu Jun 2016 #10
Uh huh Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #12
There aren't enough bigots to elect him gollygee Jun 2016 #14
So, does this mean you've completed your tally bvf Jun 2016 #61
bwahahahahahaaaa....comedy gold spanone Jun 2016 #15
Have to say, think people are looking for action. I was kind of dissappointed Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #21
trump has no plan whatsoever and there are no quick answers. i'll stand by Obama. spanone Jun 2016 #24
Oh, I agree...Trump's got zero - way less than zero and Obama Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2016 #67
i'm with you. spanone Jun 2016 #68
In the words of Col. Potter, "Horse Hockey" book_worm Jun 2016 #16
no, he really is not. calm yourselves people. nt La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #20
He presents the appearance of a prosaic solution to a complex problem. sibelian Jun 2016 #22
No! There are shows I need to see!!!! seabeckind Jun 2016 #23
There is ALWAYS time for the Voice. sibelian Jun 2016 #27
He's being made fun of because he's making it about him. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #25
He's being almost universally panned for his response. That's an odd definition of winning. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #26
No. He is not GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #28
Let him vote for Johnson. roamer65 Jun 2016 #35
More than happy to GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #42
You too! roamer65 Jun 2016 #53
And I will do all I can to help GulfCoast66 Jun 2016 #54
What demographics will he take in November? Agnosticsherbet Jun 2016 #30
Not when Gary Johnson is polling 13 pct in Utah...putting the race dead even. N/t roamer65 Jun 2016 #31
Ok, thanks for concern Dem2 Jun 2016 #33
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #36
LOL nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #39
I have a different opinion... Mike Nelson Jun 2016 #37
He isn't winning malaise Jun 2016 #41
He absolutely is not winning on twitter.. Dalai_1 Jun 2016 #43
I think many people want to know what is being done to stop the constant islamic state massacres MariaThinks Jun 2016 #45
If one more attack 840high Jun 2016 #60
HAHA joshcryer Jun 2016 #46
no you are not sorry. In fact the polls are showing just the opposite, that he is losing support. still_one Jun 2016 #47
Polls released today showed that Clinton had actually gained seven points xmas74 Jun 2016 #70
Thanks, and it will get better still_one Jun 2016 #71
since when has he not dominated the headlines? Skittles Jun 2016 #49
Hopefully the electorate, on average, is smarter than you ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #50
The "optics" are really bad. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #51
Proposing gun control to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists is far from tone deaf. Trump's Metric System Jun 2016 #56
Whether you think it makes sense or not, whether it even does or not Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #58
If more paranoid bigots tun out to vote, then they will have won fair and square. cheapdate Jun 2016 #52
Well we will see what the polls do this week but I disagree. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #57
And let the concern trolling begin. vdogg Jun 2016 #59
He won't crack 200 electoral votes. TheFarseer Jun 2016 #62
Yeah Right iloveObama12 Jun 2016 #63
HAHA Goodman has become a Trump supporter, it seems. NuclearDem Jun 2016 #74
We don't need your concern-trolling here. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #75
You're wrong. The news tonight said that Hillary is getting a big bump from all this AgadorSparticus Jun 2016 #76
The Newest National Poll jamese777 Jun 2016 #77
That's the biggest crock of shit I've read all day Tsiyu Jun 2016 #78
LOL DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2016 #79
would somewhat agree...we always preach to the chior around here dembotoz Jun 2016 #82
His poll numbers have been going down since Orlando... RAFisher Jun 2016 #83
Have a soothing gif ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #84
How can he win if he doesn't raise any money? Rex Jun 2016 #85

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
1. I'm pretty sure that the reason Bush was re-elected as at least partially
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jun 2016

due to fear of new terror strikes

I also believe that Iraq war approval was also related to fear of terrorism

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. Probably more than partially. I remember the old scare tactics vividly
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jun 2016

was working in DC and one morning they leaked a diagram Al Qaeda had of my freaking subway station. I was petrified. Only to find out that night the diagram was 5 years old. I still hate Bush and Cheney for that

Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #1)

Response to Post removed (Reply #32)

OnlyTheGood

(21 posts)
73. Sorry to be pedantic, but i take issue with the word "re-elected,' since he
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jun 2016

was installed by the Supreme Court the first time around, in 2000-01.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. You do know he is lying. The guy did not immigrate to the US so stopping
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jun 2016

Immigration would not have prevented him from being an American Citizen.

kcjohn1

(751 posts)
13. Your to logical
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:58 PM
Jun 2016

Of course everything he says is a lie.

Your mistake is thinking the electorate is logical and think things through. Truth has no impact on the electorate.

Response to kcjohn1 (Reply #13)

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
17. when did his parents immigrate? I listened to some of his
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jun 2016

stilted teleprompter speech - seems he was more interested in getting the point across that HE TOLD US than anything else. The moment of silence was so unbelievable - almost laughable if the whole thing wasn't so incredibly sad and horrible.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
55. Actually, it would have
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

The Father was born overseas. So with no father, comes no son.

Now, before anyone alerts, I don't agree with any of these immigration bans. I'm just disputing your statement.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
65. No, you are wrong
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jun 2016

You said "Immigration would not have prevented him from being an American Citizen." Immigration would have prevented his father from coming here, and without him here how does the son get here?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
66. And the same could be said of almost every person in the US. I say again this guy
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:40 AM
Jun 2016

Did not immigrate, shutting down immigration would not have stopped this guy from being a citizen. Understand I said shutting down, not revoking past immigration. Yes I am correct.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
69. Trump was alluding to if we always had his racist, anti-ME (anti-Muslim) in place
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:48 PM
Jun 2016

Then, no shooter. So you are not correct.

July

(4,750 posts)
80. And what does Trump say about his own immigrant mother?
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

Is he on board with keeping her out, too?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,587 posts)
5. So... do we just give up?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

I don't think so. Trump will keep stepping on his dick and only the stupid people won't care. It's true that there are a lot of stupid people in this country but most of the stupid people who like Trump are old white men. Consider that he is loathed by women, Latinos, most other PoC, Muslims, most immigrants, and LGBT people. There aren't enough angry old white guys to win the GE for him.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
19. Lot of young people too.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jun 2016

He had landslides in states that haven't voted for a democrat since the 60's. (And some in the 1860s)

Couple swing states and ....

Chakaconcarne

(2,433 posts)
7. He's winning the race to the bottom...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jun 2016

and is first in terms of making a jackass of himself...

With that, he can dominate the headlines all he wants...

BumRushDaShow

(128,441 posts)
8. Um no.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jun 2016

The media is providing a tunnel vision view of reality focused on infotainment and ratings for the moment. Remember, the election isn't until November and this incident, like the last mass-shooting incidents, will soon be forgotten by the masses (i.e., those not personally and/or symbolically impacted by it).

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
14. There aren't enough bigots to elect him
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jun 2016

It won't even be close. She will very easily win. Bernie could have very easily won too.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
61. So, does this mean you've completed your tally
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:40 PM
Jun 2016

of voting-age bigots in this country?

Cool. But it would make me feel a hell of a lot better if you were to share your results here.

Be sure to add gun nuts, people who jump out of their skin at the very mention of "ISIS," and one-time "Apprentice" fans.

Oh, and also the people who wouldn't vote for a(nother) Clinton if their lives depended on it.

To be sure, there's bound to be some overlap, but I think that covers it.

We're fucked, either way.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
21. Have to say, think people are looking for action. I was kind of dissappointed
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jun 2016

that Obama's speech was undoubtedly reverent - but WTH - couldn't he have come up with some kind of action plan? Even if Congress shot it down. I mean, why couldn't he have at least said - "I am immediately gathering all the security experts to determine what we can do to help protect our homeland. And, I will subsequently be sending legislation for emergency funding."

People want some kind of action. And, if the only plan is Trump's half-witted, ill-planned, bigoted ideas....he may move up - like a plan is better than no plan.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
67. Oh, I agree...Trump's got zero - way less than zero and Obama
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jun 2016

was brilliant today. And, wish he could be prez for my lifetime.

But, just wish he would suggest some kind of action. People everywhere are thinking yikes - is there nothing we can do?

A salvo such as a call for increased money/manpower to prevent would do a lot. Anything new to show we can do something positive to prevent the shit storm

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
22. He presents the appearance of a prosaic solution to a complex problem.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:13 PM
Jun 2016

It won't work, of course, but the way to stop him is to explain why it won't work.

There appears to be no will to do this.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
23. No! There are shows I need to see!!!!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

I haven't the time to deal with this.

Is it time for the Voice yet?

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
25. He's being made fun of because he's making it about him.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

You're wrong. He doesn't know how to frame sensitive issues without sounding like a moron.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
28. No. He is not
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jun 2016

Why do I think that? Not 30 minutes ago I got off the phone with a very good friend. Kids are my godchildren close.

He is a college educated republican, but not that religious and no tea bagger. Like I was when we met 25 years ago.

He will not be voting for Trump, dispite having voted R his whole life.

Says it is Gary Johnson now, but I still have 4 months to work on him!

Oh, and we both live in Florida. Kind of an important state.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
35. Let him vote for Johnson.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jun 2016

As a republican, he's making a decent move. It will send the same message.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
42. More than happy to
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jun 2016

But my move from right to left was in fits and starts until the end when the scales fell off my eyes.

Have a nice evening.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
53. You too!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:10 PM
Jun 2016

The "epiphany" comes differently for all of us.

Mine was Iran-Contra under Raygun.


His will come.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
54. And I will do all I can to help
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

He really is a great guy. We often forget that most folks are not all that political.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
30. What demographics will he take in November?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jun 2016

He has lost Hispanics, Latinos, Women, Blacks, those under 30.

I do not see how his winning the news cycle with outrageous statements gives him the White House.

Where do the votes come from?

Response to kcjohn1 (Original post)

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
37. I have a different opinion...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jun 2016

... I think many Trump supporters were embarrassed and wish he'd practiced that speech, today. He seemed overtired or sick. He says he doesn't drink, or I would have thought that he might have had a few... it was probably better to cancel the Clinton attack, though, which would seem out of place. Do agree that his "base" likes stuff like the Muslim ban. Hillary was much stronger... she sounded coherent and went for Independent and Republican voters. I think she hurt him today.

Dalai_1

(1,301 posts)
43. He absolutely is not winning on twitter..
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:20 PM
Jun 2016

He has gotten so many negative replies on his time line ,he began posting part of a tweet on twitter gives a link to his facebook page as a finish for his tweet.

He was using a teleprompter today &had a speechwriter with heavy flavor of his own asinine
comments..

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
45. I think many people want to know what is being done to stop the constant islamic state massacres
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jun 2016

around the world.

Anyone who fills that gap is going to win.

It's easy for a secure politician to say 'we will not give into fear or hate'. It's another to be the lambs being slaughtered anytime some is becoming radicalized.

So yes, people I work with who are liberal on health care, taxes, social programs, are sick of being sheep that are being slaughtered by Islamic radicals and they are voting trump.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
47. no you are not sorry. In fact the polls are showing just the opposite, that he is losing support.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jun 2016

So keep spewing the garbage, and just watch trump go down in flames

xmas74

(29,670 posts)
70. Polls released today showed that Clinton had actually gained seven points
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 10:55 PM
Jun 2016

from last week. Source was NBC Nightly News Broadcast.

Best part was watching Lester Holt correct a few points that Trump made in his speech.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
51. The "optics" are really bad.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jun 2016

Trump's saying "told ya so" while Hillary proposes gun control measures against people who aren't the ones killing their fellow Americans. "Tone deaf" would be an understatement.

Metric System

(6,048 posts)
56. Proposing gun control to keep guns out of the hands of terrorists is far from tone deaf. Trump's
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:16 PM
Jun 2016

"told you so" doesn't even make sense considering the shooter was born in the US.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
58. Whether you think it makes sense or not, whether it even does or not
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jun 2016

He's going to act like it does, his supporters are going to act like it does, and some people in the middle are going to be swayed. In the meantime Clinton will fulfill the classic "gun-grabber" role for the Republicans to rail against, and people who are feeling scared and vulnerable in the wake of this horror are going to ask why they should give up a ready means of self-defense. I repeat, the optics are bad. Terrible even.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
57. Well we will see what the polls do this week but I disagree.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:19 PM
Jun 2016

Note that Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell have said NOTHING in response to Trump's outrageous statements Sunday and Monday. They can't possibly ignore Trump's statements for long so it will be interesting to see what they have to say. Ryan in particular has to be unhappy with Trump.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
59. And let the concern trolling begin.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:29 PM
Jun 2016

Oh how I missed this from the 2008 and 2012 election cycles. I'm still waiting on that 'whitey' tape.

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
62. He won't crack 200 electoral votes.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:58 PM
Jun 2016

Many of my republican family think he is in cahoots with the Clintons and he is trying to throw the election.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
75. We don't need your concern-trolling here.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jun 2016

And Trump is not a "master" anything, that's why he's getting crushed in the polls.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
76. You're wrong. The news tonight said that Hillary is getting a big bump from all this
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:34 AM
Jun 2016

Her numberss have gone up by like 9 pts? I can't remember the number exactly off the top of my head.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
78. That's the biggest crock of shit I've read all day
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:31 AM
Jun 2016

fuck your "analysis."

Americans are not going to be fooled like they were 16 years ago. We don't want a bunch of new wars, and hotheaded Trump can't keep us out of them.

His appeal is to the backwash, the racists, the mouthbreathers and the very low intellect. I mean, he is the sixth grade dropout's DREAMBOAT.

The undecideds and moderates win elections, and there is no way in hell any moderates are going to vote for that shit show spewing all of his ugliness.

But nice try there. Thanks so much for playing, and we all really do appreciate your concern. It might, however, be better utilized if you go out there and convince some of the backwash that maybe Trump isn't such a great idea. For their own sense of pride, not because he has a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

Coming here to play games is so Trump-like and time-wasting.

Have a nice night on r/The_Donald!

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
82. would somewhat agree...we always preach to the chior around here
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jun 2016

as much as we hate the donald
the other side hates hrc even more

as awful as trump is he should be doing much worse in the polls

not spending money but still fairly close is a bad sign for us

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
85. How can he win if he doesn't raise any money?
Thu Jun 23, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jun 2016

All the air time in the world is not the same as political ads.

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