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Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:38 PM

Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing, Shall We?


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Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing, Shall We?
by Abby Zimet





Sorry: It's one of those Idiots With Guns days. Raul Rodriguez, a retired firefighter in Texas, is on trial for killing elementary school teacher Kelly Danaher and wounding two others after he confronted them about their party's loud music. Rodriquez claims he was just “standing my ground” - albeit on their property, after he baited and threatened them. Incredibly, he videotaped the entire incident; even more incredibly, he seems to think the chilling evidence will help his case. Scary in countless ways.

“I’m telling you, I’m telling you, stop, I said stop right now or I will shoot you!"







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Reply Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing, Shall We? (Original post)
marmar Jun 2012 OP
mysuzuki2 Jun 2012 #1
MinneapolisMatt Jun 2012 #2
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #3
kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #4
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #6
MinneapolisMatt Jun 2012 #10
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #12
socialist_n_TN Jun 2012 #21
4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #34
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #22
frylock Jun 2012 #19
kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #5
Hoyt Jun 2012 #13
Riftaxe Jun 2012 #20
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #24
Meiko Jun 2012 #31
Hoyt Jun 2012 #33
Meiko Jun 2012 #39
Hoyt Jun 2012 #41
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #23
Meiko Jun 2012 #32
freshwest Jun 2012 #7
marmar Jun 2012 #11
freshwest Jun 2012 #14
LeftinOH Jun 2012 #8
cali Jun 2012 #9
Arctic Dave Jun 2012 #15
Zoeisright Jun 2012 #16
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #26
Meiko Jun 2012 #28
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #29
Occulus Jun 2012 #44
bongbong Jun 2012 #17
Meiko Jun 2012 #30
xchrom Jun 2012 #18
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #25
SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #27
GarroHorus Jun 2012 #38
Meiko Jun 2012 #40
coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #35
panader0 Jun 2012 #36
coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #37
Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #42
ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #43

Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:41 PM

1. Another responsible, law abiding gun owner.

until one day he wasn't.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:47 PM

2. Raul Rodriguez...

...can rot in hell.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:47 PM

3. "Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing" . . and then go to jail for murder

 

no one is defending this guy. The law isn't on his side. The cops aren't. That neighborhood isn't. No one.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:54 PM

4. Correct. They're just defending his "right" to wave his gun around because he doesn't like something

Are there ANY gun owners out there any more who can manage to own them without threatening their family or friends or neighbors without due cause? I am beginning to wonder.

My dad owned guns but you never saw him with one except when he was hunting or going to target practice. He knew better than to use them to bully people, but then he was an old school gentleman and not some frothing-at-the-mouth Second Amendment obsessive.

IT IS NOT OK TO USE YOUR LEGAL OR ILLEGAL GUNS TO BULLY PEOPLE.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:56 PM

6. Who is defending that?

 

Specifically who is defending his "right to wave his gun around because he doesn't like something" ultimately leading to murder?

Give me a name.

Just saying "they" probably think this isn't good enough. Just like gun nuts saying "they" are trying to take your guns and give this country to the UN is not adequate.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:03 PM

10. Ummm...

...the gun shop owner/dealer in the video defended him. Did you watch it?

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Response to MinneapolisMatt (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:10 PM

12. Ok, so that's one

 

who didn't specifically defend this guy, he merely said that Rodriquez "said" all the right things. Not necessarily that he was in the right.

But that leaves 1 out of 300 million. Or 3x10-7 percent.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:23 PM

21. So you don't think that he represents more than himself............

IOW, you're saying that he's the ONLY one with that attitude?

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 12:43 PM

34. I'm saying his opinion is representative of his opinion

 

he isn't the leader of some organization speaking for millions of people.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:39 PM

22. Who here has defended his "right" to wave his gun around because he doesn't like something?

 

I haven't seen that at all. Every state has laws against brandishing or bullying someone with a firearm.

If you have a link to what you claim, by all means, post it.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:54 PM

19. no one is defending this guy..

check this guy's posts throughout the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014138344#post83

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:55 PM

5. A gun license is not a license to bully and intimidate.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:10 PM

13. I wish someone would tell millions who tuck one or two guns in their pants before venturing out.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:27 PM

20. Wow i must have missed that unholy slaughter

unless it was in your mind...you might want to look into that, it is tainting your posts.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:43 PM

24. What I tuck in my pants before venturing out is none of your business.

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:13 PM

31. The majority of gun owners

 

are aware of the facts Hoyt.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 10:31 PM

33. Don' think so. Otherwise they'd leave the damn things at home. Majority have issues.

And should seek treatment, or break the addiction themselves.

The way to start breaking the chains is to get away from "friends" who love guns too.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:31 PM

39. Oh great

 

You are going to give me advice on gun ownership as though I have an addiction. I suppose it could be for some people, I'm just not one of them. Please don't think you are qualified to advise me on who my friends should be, OK. You never fail to make me laugh Hoyt.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #39)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:58 PM

41. Something I learned years ago -- keep the guys with a gun laughing.

Well, unless their ideas of gun is some poor unarmed man with bullet holes in them.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:41 PM

23. No kidding

 

who here said it was?

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 09:20 PM

32. Maybe he didn't have

 

a license, maybe he was a bad guy.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:59 PM

7. 'Yee Haw! Kill 'em all, let God sort it out!' But really, a person that...

'Fears for their life,' should be at home behind locked doors, don't you think?

Thanks for bringing the video, marmar. Here's how he should have acted:



I suggest that video be autoplayed to him and Zimmermann in their cell a few hundred times in case they ever get out again... LOL.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:06 PM

11. Thank you for the video nostalgia.....


"Overkill" was one of my favorite songs of that era.


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Response to marmar (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:17 PM

14. I'm gonna look that one up. The one I posted has rattled around my brain for years now.

Ah, I knew that one, too, didn't know the name of it, thanks. Here it is for you:


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Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:02 PM

9. he's toast. what a frickin' scary nutcase.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:35 PM

15. Wait! I think we are missing the real story!!!

 

A Mexican guy was telling a Caucasian neighbor to, "turn down your stereo"!


LOL

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:47 PM

16. That's what this country is made of.

Idiots with guns shooting each other. 30,000 Americans dead every year from guns.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:47 PM

26. I notice that you conveniently left out the fact

 

that over 50% of those firearms deaths are suicides, but what can we expect of an avowed anti gun person.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:51 PM

28. Over half of those

 

were suicides.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:53 PM

29. How dare us bring facts

 

to a perfectly good rant.

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Response to Meiko (Reply #28)

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 12:20 AM

44. And yet, still just as dead for it.

Funny how that works.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:48 PM

17. MIA

 

The usual gang of gun-religionists who should be defending their poor widdle guns aren't here. I wonder why?

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Response to bongbong (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:57 PM

30. There is nothing to defend

 

The man is obviously a moron. You can't be waving your gun in peoples faces for having their music too loud, it's a bad career choice.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:20 PM

18. Indeed - that's what we've come to. Nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:45 PM

25. So this happened in Texas?

 

I give it a 50-50 chance he'll be acquitted.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 8, 2012, 08:49 PM

27. Not a chance

 

SYG or Castle Doctrine doesn't apply here.

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Response to SGMRTDARMY (Reply #27)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:35 PM

38. I see two possibilities

 

One screwed up juror or the guy gets a sympathetic judge.

Lots of dumbasses in jury pools in Texas and lots of dumbass judges sitting on benches across the country.

Either way, he could walk.

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Response to GarroHorus (Reply #38)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:35 PM

40. Anything is possible

 

but no matter what happens he will be walking without his guns, and that's a big deal for a guy like him.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 12:50 PM

35. As the Beatles sang (in their brilliantly satirical song

 

of the same title): "Happiness is a warm gun."

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Response to coalition_unwilling (Reply #35)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 01:15 PM

36. I always thought that the"gun"they refered to was something else

"When I put my finger on your trigger"
I always thought it was sexual.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #36)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 02:00 PM

37. hehe - I'm sure there was a double, or even triple,

 

entendre at play. The 'bang, bang, shoot, shoot,' tends to support the literal interpretation of 'gun' I think.

It's all subverting the "Happiness Is" bullshit from the time period, using the 'doo-wop' vocal style (think I have that right, but I could be wrong) to do it. Same way they use parody of Beach Boys' stylings in "Back in the USSR"

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:35 PM

42. In my view, it's not the gun that's the main problem. It's anger...

and lack of control.

There seem to be a lot of very angry men these days, particularly white men. They seem not to be able to control their anger at all. They snap, lash out, whatever you call it. In cartoons, smoke comes out of the top of the cartoon character's head.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sat Jun 9, 2012, 11:05 PM

43. That was a disturbing video.

Raul Rodriguez is a scary guy.

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