Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing, Shall We?

[marmar]

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/06/08-2


from CommonDreams:



Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing, Shall We?
by Abby Zimet





Sorry: It's one of those Idiots With Guns days. Raul Rodriguez, a retired firefighter in Texas, is on trial for killing elementary school teacher Kelly Danaher and wounding two others after he confronted them about their party's loud music. Rodriquez claims he was just “standing my ground” - albeit on their property, after he baited and threatened them. Incredibly, he videotaped the entire incident; even more incredibly, he seems to think the chilling evidence will help his case. Scary in countless ways.

“I’m telling you, I’m telling you, stop, I said stop right now or I will shoot you!"

[mysuzuki2]

1. Another responsible, law abiding gun owner.

until one day he wasn't.

[MinneapolisMatt]

2. Raul Rodriguez...

...can rot in hell.

[4th law of robotics]

3. "Oh, Do Let's Just All Shoot Each Other Over Every Little Thing" . . and then go to jail for murder

no one is defending this guy. The law isn't on his side. The cops aren't. That neighborhood isn't. No one.

[kestrel91316]

4. Correct. They're just defending his "right" to wave his gun around because he doesn't like something

Are there ANY gun owners out there any more who can manage to own them without threatening their family or friends or neighbors without due cause? I am beginning to wonder.

My dad owned guns but you never saw him with one except when he was hunting or going to target practice. He knew better than to use them to bully people, but then he was an old school gentleman and not some frothing-at-the-mouth Second Amendment obsessive.

IT IS NOT OK TO USE YOUR LEGAL OR ILLEGAL GUNS TO BULLY PEOPLE.

[4th law of robotics]

6. Who is defending that?

Specifically who is defending his "right to wave his gun around because he doesn't like something" ultimately leading to murder?

Give me a name.

Just saying "they" probably think this isn't good enough. Just like gun nuts saying "they" are trying to take your guns and give this country to the UN is not adequate.

[MinneapolisMatt]

10. Ummm...

...the gun shop owner/dealer in the video defended him. Did you watch it?

[4th law of robotics]

12. Ok, so that's one

who didn't specifically defend this guy, he merely said that Rodriquez "said" all the right things. Not necessarily that he was in the right.

But that leaves 1 out of 300 million. Or 3x10-7 percent.

[socialist_n_TN]

21. So you don't think that he represents more than himself............

IOW, you're saying that he's the ONLY one with that attitude?

[4th law of robotics]

34. I'm saying his opinion is representative of his opinion

he isn't the leader of some organization speaking for millions of people.

[SGMRTDARMY]

22. Who here has defended his "right" to wave his gun around because he doesn't like something?

I haven't seen that at all. Every state has laws against brandishing or bullying someone with a firearm.

If you have a link to what you claim, by all means, post it.

[frylock]

19. no one is defending this guy..

check this guy's posts throughout the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014138344#post83

[kestrel91316]

5. A gun license is not a license to bully and intimidate.

[Hoyt]

13. I wish someone would tell millions who tuck one or two guns in their pants before venturing out.

[Riftaxe]

20. Wow i must have missed that unholy slaughter

unless it was in your mind...you might want to look into that, it is tainting your posts.

[SGMRTDARMY]

24. What I tuck in my pants before venturing out is none of your business.

[Meiko]

31. The majority of gun owners

are aware of the facts Hoyt.

[Hoyt]

33. Don' think so. Otherwise they'd leave the damn things at home. Majority have issues.

And should seek treatment, or break the addiction themselves.

The way to start breaking the chains is to get away from "friends" who love guns too.

[Meiko]

39. Oh great

You are going to give me advice on gun ownership as though I have an addiction. I suppose it could be for some people, I'm just not one of them. Please don't think you are qualified to advise me on who my friends should be, OK. You never fail to make me laugh Hoyt.

[Hoyt]

41. Something I learned years ago -- keep the guys with a gun laughing.

Well, unless their ideas of gun is some poor unarmed man with bullet holes in them.

[SGMRTDARMY]

23. No kidding

who here said it was?

[Meiko]

32. Maybe he didn't have

a license, maybe he was a bad guy.

[freshwest]

7. 'Yee Haw! Kill 'em all, let God sort it out!' But really, a person that...

'Fears for their life,' should be at home behind locked doors, don't you think?

Thanks for bringing the video, marmar. Here's how he should have acted:

I suggest that video be autoplayed to him and Zimmermann in their cell a few hundred times in case they ever get out again... LOL.

[marmar]

11. Thank you for the video nostalgia.....

"Overkill" was one of my favorite songs of that era.

[freshwest]

14. I'm gonna look that one up. The one I posted has rattled around my brain for years now.

Ah, I knew that one, too, didn't know the name of it, thanks. Here it is for you:

[cali]

9. he's toast. what a frickin' scary nutcase.

[Arctic Dave]

15. Wait! I think we are missing the real story!!!

A Mexican guy was telling a Caucasian neighbor to, "turn down your stereo"!


LOL

[Zoeisright]

16. That's what this country is made of.

Idiots with guns shooting each other. 30,000 Americans dead every year from guns.

[SGMRTDARMY]

26. I notice that you conveniently left out the fact

that over 50% of those firearms deaths are suicides, but what can we expect of an avowed anti gun person.

[Meiko]

28. Over half of those

were suicides.

[SGMRTDARMY]

29. How dare us bring facts

to a perfectly good rant.

[Occulus]

44. And yet, still just as dead for it.

Funny how that works.

[bongbong]

17. MIA

The usual gang of gun-religionists who should be defending their poor widdle guns aren't here. I wonder why?

[Meiko]

30. There is nothing to defend

The man is obviously a moron. You can't be waving your gun in peoples faces for having their music too loud, it's a bad career choice.

[xchrom]

18. Indeed - that's what we've come to. Nt

[GarroHorus]

25. So this happened in Texas?

I give it a 50-50 chance he'll be acquitted.

[SGMRTDARMY]

27. Not a chance

SYG or Castle Doctrine doesn't apply here.

[GarroHorus]

38. I see two possibilities

One screwed up juror or the guy gets a sympathetic judge.

Lots of dumbasses in jury pools in Texas and lots of dumbass judges sitting on benches across the country.

Either way, he could walk.

[Meiko]

40. Anything is possible

but no matter what happens he will be walking without his guns, and that's a big deal for a guy like him.

[coalition_unwilling]

35. As the Beatles sang (in their brilliantly satirical song

of the same title): "Happiness is a warm gun."

[panader0]

36. I always thought that the"gun"they refered to was something else

"When I put my finger on your trigger"
I always thought it was sexual.

[coalition_unwilling]

37. hehe - I'm sure there was a double, or even triple,

entendre at play. The 'bang, bang, shoot, shoot,' tends to support the literal interpretation of 'gun' I think.

It's all subverting the "Happiness Is" bullshit from the time period, using the 'doo-wop' vocal style (think I have that right, but I could be wrong) to do it. Same way they use parody of Beach Boys' stylings in "Back in the USSR"

[Honeycombe8]

42. In my view, it's not the gun that's the main problem. It's anger...

and lack of control.

There seem to be a lot of very angry men these days, particularly white men. They seem not to be able to control their anger at all. They snap, lash out, whatever you call it. In cartoons, smoke comes out of the top of the cartoon character's head.

[ZombieHorde]

43. That was a disturbing video.

Raul Rodriguez is a scary guy.