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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDec. 27 Los Angeles, #Occupy the courts: The way the morning broke was quite unusual (Dialup warning
Today continues the discovery hearings for the #Occupy Los Angeles members arrested on November 30th when the site was cleared, and Anthony as well, who was grabbed up by police during a march protesting the encampment's clearing.
This first group involves about 24 people, three of whom are still in custody, one awaiting five counts. They vary widely in age and race; there are several with hair gone grey and a few youngsters too.
It is a large courtroom, with three long benches for those awaiting hearings; there was standing room only, with several #Occupiers standing along the back wall, and a minimum of six sheriffs (going up to eight at one point) the entire time. The judge seemed decent; he really meant it when he asked someone just sentenced to take care of himself. He also complimented a baby's little blue hat.
There was contention between the defense and prosecution on a number of issues, including an order for the police to produce one specific video they claim to not have. There is debate on whether #Occupy met with certain city representatives. And when the prosecution stated that there had been no police violence during the raid, the entire courthouse, until then silent, broke into a group chuckle (which the judge quickly quashed, saying we'd have to leave if it were repeated).
So yes, the city of LA is actually attempting to claim that there was no violence involved in the raid. But we know about the person in the tree who was shot with beanbags several times, the man who was thrown to the ground, several including Spencer (Oakfosho) who had a "less than lethal round" shotgun aimed in his face:
and how the search and destruction of the tents was anything but an act of kindness:
Note that the LAPD demand to create a "press pool" deliberately limits potential documentation of the raid, as they wanted, so they can attempt to get away with the (obviously intended) claim of "no violence to protesters". No pictures? No video? Why believe a bunch of dirty squatters over nice, shiny police?
See a similar claim to describe the hoops they jump through in order to LIE:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=2891
and why, from February:
"Councilman: Trutanich Wants To Silence Civil Disobedience"
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/02/11/councilman-trutanich-wants-to-silence-civil-disobedience/
And the sad truth of it:
"My Occupy LA Arrest, by Patrick Meighan (UPDATE: 12/9/11)" (Updated with an odd apology!)
http://myoccupylaarrest.blogspot.com/
"16 complaints filed about Occupy LA raid"
http://www.scpr.org/news/2011/12/07/30226/fifteen-complaints-filed-against-lapd-regarding-oc/
The LA Times, an MSM mouthpiece, published the names and data of all arrested:
http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/protestors-arrested-occupy-la/
There is another possible issue of contention that has been brought up but we'll have to see if it is what we think it is. I'm hoping so.
Most of the arrests were done under code 409, refusal to disperse.
The prosecution fell short in a couple of places I'm not sure I should mention outside of the court as this is ongoing.
Each defendant was photographed along with their property. I believe the destruction of this property falls in the 4th and 14th Amendments...
I'm not sure how much I should say, how much can or should be made public. Let's just say that not everything is going the city's way on this. Suffice to say, there was plenty of chat afterward amongst the #Occupiers, about missing bits, contradictions, etc. We'll see.
All of this was over at only a little past noon. The #OLA action statement on this didn't mention anything like this...the actual court cases begin on the 29th and those may take longer.
Stepping outside of the courthouse, one sees city hall, and the steps where we now hold General Assemblies. The building in the back with the point is LAPD headquarters.
Spent money I didn't really have on a snack, saw this interesting bit...co-inky-dink? I dunno:
Shots of downtown, for grins:
More shall be revealed.
BeFree
(23,843 posts)May justice be done.
I hope the police get a fair trial and then they are fired.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)opinion of all of this? I have called eg, the Portland PD and I believe LA earlier, and received surprising agreement especially from the officer at the Portland PD dept.
And we're still waiting for the arrests of the police who nearly killed two Iraq war veterans in Oakland and/or their identities.
Thank you for the reports, and the photos
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Thank you
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)I hope other people call also.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)(213) 978-0600 or (213) 978-0721 or [email protected]
For those who live there link for the city council members and their contact info.
http://www.lacity.org/YourGovernment/CityCouncil/index.htm
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)There they had a message machine taking calls. I gave my name and telephone number and told them why I was calling 'Protesters still in jail?? Is this true? I would appreciate a call back as this is extremely disturbing and would like to know why'. Or something like that.
I think they should be flooded with calls. If I don't hear back I will call again. Looks like, from the swiftness with which I was transferred before even finishing they don't really want to talk about this. Just my impression.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Good luck with your call. The last time I spoke to someone at the City Council office, I believe in LA, she was very polite and receptive to what I had to say, providing any information she had. When I was finished, I just said 'I don't want to take up any more of your time' and she said right away 'no, you are not taking my time, I like it when we get calls like yours'. So I got the impression she wanted to hear from more people who support the occupiers.
Same thing happened when I called the Portland police during a raid there. The cop who answered the call was pretty nice, which surprised me. He too seemed to be happy to get a supportive call and told me he was not 'high enough on the chain of command' to answer all my questions, but I should call the chief. I had a feeling he wanted the Chief to hear from the public.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)This is how change is made
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And yes. I will call back tomorrow!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)try to prove these people are nobodies. Ah yes, if this was not happening, there would be no resistance.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)The only movement, the only form of education, the only thing that forces the media to expose what it doesn't wish to expose about the wealthy.
bottom line
(94 posts)Owned by right wing conservatives carl jr's. They're worried. Time to divide, "Cause if you don't like where I like to eat..."
I hope everyone realizes that Ca. is under Higher Court order to relieve jail overcrowding. A misdemeanor is a misdemeanor is a misdemeanor. If not or possible, "Occupy the Courts."
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)(Post on related Facebook page) : N30 Occupiers are being dispersed to courtrooms around the city...RIGHT NOW Justin's trial moved to West Covina Court House 1427 W. Covina Parkway 1:30pm TODAY.
Note: West Covina is 18 miles from downtown LA.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I still am sick to my stomach when I think of how peaceful protesters are dealt with in this manner, and meanwhile those who shot Scott Olsen are left alone, without so much as a reprimand.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)‎30 Occupiers had court today. Some of the cases were dismissed. Some of them
were moved to other places like Pomona, West Covina and LAX. At least 3 went
to jury selection.
I was in various courtrooms all day long. Everything I saw appeared to go very well.
Here are some of the case that will continue tomorrow
at 210 Temple across form City Hall
Unit 52 8:30 3 people will have case there
Unit 111 10:30 will be Marth'a Trial. Her Lawyer seems pretty good.
Unit 119 9:00 Jeff
Unit 124 10:00 Judy Her prosecuting lawyer looks tough her lawyer looks weak, just my opinion based on the part I saw.
Unit 133 10:00 Anthony
Commander Green and Mario Brito will be witnesses for all of the cases.
I found most of everything today to be fascinating and educational.
I would recommend that all occupiers come to court tomorrow as this
affects all of us and is historical.
I took a lot of notes on the jury selection process and other stuff.
I will type those up at a later time.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)I'm sure someone knows...
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)ask when I call again tomorrow. It is shameful that peaceful protesters are being jailed while violent cops are not even named. And I will tell them that also
Huey P. Long
(1,932 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)by third parties. Here's hoping that it contains useful, juicy bits.