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Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:01 AM

Hate, Anger, Fear and Stupidity won last night

People who vote against thier own intersts are not smart. That is what I believe. If the media saturates the airwaves with
the idea that the recall election is a bad idea, and 65 million is too much to spend on it, in spite of the fact, that the recall is a form of democracy, then those that use that excuse vote against the idea of democracy. The idea that we could get rid of someone who clearly hurts people falls short, and the idea that we as a society would spend that much money to achieve that goal (that that idea is very bad) wins is sad. I saw many many articles about how much it cost to carry out the election and how much was spent.At MSNBC that cost was a major story for days, as it was in many other outlets. That one idea may have helped to doom Barrett.

The right wing will do anything to win, and if they convinced 178 thousand voters in Wisconson that the recall was a bad thing,then they succeeded in using fear, and hate to convince the people to vote for Walker as opposed to someone that would help people. It worked.There was Anger against us because we wanted to use the tools of democracy to change a bad result won. All over the media were stories about how expensive this was, and that recalling Walker was a waste of time and money. Anger at that was real in some minds. Those waste of time stories and ads, may have really outweighed those stories about how Walker hurt people. Those stories about waste and cost of this election were somehow more beleiveable than those stories about how he hurt people. Even some the people who potentially and in real terms were "hurt" by Walker bought those lies. Those haters didn't see the election was about helping themselves. The idea of saving some money in the election became stronger than the idea of saving people. The ads and stories worked. People voted against themselves again. The election will result in poorer education . Less health for Wisconson. Less middle class in Wisconsin. Stupidity wins. Hate wins. We all loose..

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Reply Hate, Anger, Fear and Stupidity won last night (Original post)
Stuart G Jun 2012 OP
JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #1
whathehell Jun 2012 #3
JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #7
ananda Jun 2012 #2
Stuart G Jun 2012 #4
jimlup Jun 2012 #5
Stuart G Jun 2012 #6
jimlup Jun 2012 #8
cilla4progress Jun 2012 #9
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #10
Stuart G Jun 2012 #11
HopeHoops Jun 2012 #15
meow2u3 Jun 2012 #12
shcrane71 Jun 2012 #13
libtodeath Jun 2012 #14
nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #16

Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:02 AM

1. It's also dominating DU today.

Well, more than usual I should say.

Julie

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Response to whathehell (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:31 AM

7. Yeah, that's it, I'm a Freeper.

Or perhaps the blame-placing, finger-pointing and all around screaming bloody murder by those who continually do these things is hateful, counter-productive and glaringly obvious (tho apparently not to you).

Fortunately it is not all of DU or I and many others would never come here.
But I do appreciate the insinuation that I am a Freeper! I've been here 10 years and you're the first!

Julie

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:04 AM

2. The media breeds the stoopid.

I mean, on my Yahoo mail newsfeed there was an article that
said Walker won by telling the truth.

There is no mainstream media outlet even dealing with the
horror of politicians like Walker, their horrible anti-union and
anti-worker agenda, and what a Reep victory actually means
for the 99 percent.

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Response to ananda (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:12 AM

4. I agree. I read many articles even in so called "fair outlet" that were slanted.

We only got a reasonable view in some on line outlets. So much "this election sets a record in costs." So What? Big friggen deal.
IT was worth it. I believe. Yet the cost overuns at the pentagon which are acutally hundreds of times the costs of this election are
totally accepted as part of business by the same people who pushed this crap about how much the election cost. It is just very sad to understand that idea. Incredible...IT is and was OK was to build bombs and killing machines as part of the cost of protecting ourselves, while a big bill to recall someone who hurt people is spending "too much"...think about that one..

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:18 AM

5. Yes but we have to lick our wounds and get back up and start fighting for justice

Because really there is nothing else that we can do.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:22 AM

6. Yes, you are correct..

For me, it is very hard to get up and start fighting for justice again..and again, and again, and again.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #6)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:38 AM

8. As Chomsky said ...

You lose, you lose, you lose, you lose, you lose... and then you win.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:03 AM

9. Long shot

Maybe it was a just a long shot to being with (the recall)?

I'm learning to face the fact that we live in a fundamentally conservative country - politically, socially, economically. The progressive blips in our history were only that: just blips. This conservatism, now mixed with oodles of cash and Christianity gone wild (and off the skids) makes for a toxic mix, within which we are now living: concentration of wealth in smaller and smaller populations; zombie evangelicals; raping of the environment; vile decisions out of the high court; grey old white men holding onto shreds of their old power base.

We either move, wait it our, or move on. I am trying to stay engaged, but there's a strong urge within tune out.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:12 AM

10. Money won. Simple as that.

 

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Response to HopeHoops (Reply #10)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:27 AM

11. I really thought we would over come that one.

Perhaps I was more naive than I thought.
If you repeat the lie over and over people believe it. I know that, but I felt self interest would overcome those who belived the lies.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #11)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:56 AM

15. 2/3 of Walker's money was from out of state and he outspent Barrett 7:1.

 

Yeah, money won.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:29 AM

12. A relentless propaganda campaign, supported by dirty money, won

Voters have been brainwashed by a campaign of lies, propaganda, and dirty money that would put a certain regime from 1930's Europe to shame.

Vincent Buglosi, of The Betrayal of America fame, said it best:
"...they were playing with someone who had all the cards, and the morals of an alley cat."

http://makethemaccountable.com/caro/Interview_Bugliosi_Vincent_010618_Transcript.htm (scroll down)

Kochroaches hold all the power-check.
Kochroaches have the morals that would make alley cats look modest--check.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:31 AM

13. I've never bought into the "masses are asses" argument.

That just won't fly with me. People in Wisconsin were educated about the reason for this recall. They came out in record numbers, and got 2x the number of signatures needed for this special election. The governor has the worst jobs record in the nation. Working people have been shut our of their state government at every level. The people knew what this is about, but we're supposed to believe that they came out in record numbers to vote for the new Wisconsinssippi status quo? Uh-uh... that doesn't pass the smell test.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:55 AM

14. K&R

hate,anger and fear is the definition of repukes lives

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:57 AM

16. Nope, what won was money

people start paying attention to any election six weeks out... and the amounts of money were impressive.

The other thing that won, though we are getting better, is ORGANIZATION.

I hate to say it, but Repubs ARE organized and focused on getting all, from dog catcher, to POTUS.

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