Did they hand count paper ballots and post them at the precinct level before the central tabulator?

[We Want Peace]

I didn't think so.

How did they count them?

Did anyone see the paper ballots, count the paper ballots?

How do we know this election was fair?

[libtodeath]

1. We dont

and despite the abnormalities such as a late surge in the polls and massive turnout,both indicating a challenger being victorious the nation and many here refuse to see it.

[We Want Peace]

3. it is strange how so many 'dems' are so quick to catapult the propaganda

manufactured consent

[Javaman]

34. And we never will know.

That's the criminal beauty of how the system is currently set up.

Stalin was so behind the times, we don't even count the votes anymore. We have a machine do it.

we are such fools.

[GarroHorus]

2. I've figured it out

Karl Rove did it at the Koch brothers' bidding from the grassy knoll right after he faked Obama's birth certificate to cover up the charges placed in WTC 7 building which was done to destroy the records of the faked moon landings.

It all fits together! THE CONSPIRACY IS HUGH!!!!

[We Want Peace]

4. good one!

that helps us all see exactly who you are

[GarroHorus]

5. Then you must see the truth of it all.

I am not a conspiracy theory nut claiming an election was stolen with precisely no evidence to back it up.

[libtodeath]

6. See my post above

[We Want Peace]

7. where is the evidence it was a fair election

you sure seem quick to try and shut everyone up

[SGMRTDARMY]

9. So the evidence of a rigged election is that there is no evidence

Got it. Why is it that when we lose an election, it was stolen? 60% of the people who were polled said that a recall should only be utilized for malfeasance or criminal acts, and don't forget that Walker campaign outspent Barrett by a 7 to 1 margin.

Unless you can show positive proof of election fraud, all you've got is speculation and, IMHO, wild accusations.

[GarroHorus]

10. Yoiu do realize that is the classic conspiracy theory response

You now demand that I prove a negative.

The birthers use that identical logic.

[We Want Peace]

14. the system is set up for theft, why is that?

US E-Voting System Cracked in Less than 48 Hours

Researchers at the University of Michigan have reported that . . . . "Within 48 hours of the system going live, we had gained near complete control of the election server", the researchers wrote in a paper that has now been released. "We successfully changed every vote and revealed almost every secret ballot." The hack was only discovered after about two business days – and most likely only because the intruders left a visible trail on purpose.

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/US-e-voting-system-cracked-in-less-than-48-hours-1463881.html

Wisconsin votes on mostly paper ballots --- are tabulated by computer optical-scan systems like the ones in Palm Beach County, FL which, in March of this year, had named several losing candidates to be the "winners".

[GarroHorus]

15. No, it's not.

In the study you cite, they hacked an online voting system. There was no online voting yesterday. I am aware of no online voting anywhere.

Constantly linking to a study that has nothing to do with any election anywhere is pretty ridiculous.

[We Want Peace]

25. google hack the vote

the central tabulator is easily accessible

[GarroHorus]

26. No, it's not.

It's easily accessible when there's a front end exposed to the internet for ONLINE VOTING.

You really need to stop your trolling on this.

[SGMRTDARMY]

11. Where is the evidence that it wasn't a fair election?

If you have evidence, produce it.

[We Want Peace]

13. where is the evidence it was a fair election

if you have evidence, prove it

[GarroHorus]

16. Checkmate

Conspiracy theorist demand for proof of a negative!

The logic, it fails.

[cali]

20. sorry, sweets, it doesn't work that way

the status quo stands unless there's evidence. and that is the bottom line. all your idiotic spamming and railing doesn't do one fockin' thing to improve the system. why not agitate for a more transparent system? but your incessant squealing doesn't do shit, dear.

[We Want Peace]

18. heh, I don't think that is what is obvious to all

n/t

[GarroHorus]

19. Yeah, there is one thing obvious form all the spams claiming election was stolen.

[snot]

8. Here's how little we know re- whether volting results were tampered with:

From http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9332#more-9332 :

The early Exit Poll results had reportedly predicted the race between Republican Gov. Scott Walker and Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett a virtual tie, leading media to plan for a long night tonight. A second round of Exit Polls results, however, were said to have given Walker a broader lead over Barrett. Even so, we were told, the race based on the Exit Poll data alone was still "too close to call." . . .

Of course, the raw, unadjusted Exit Polling data itself is no longer entrusted to us mere mortals. It can only be seen by members of the mainstream media, and we are simply left to trust them to report it all accurately to us or not. And when, after all, have we not been able to rely on the mainstream media to report everything accurately to us? But never mind the Exit Polls. We've got real polls, real votes, actual ballots now to tell us who won or lost. If only we'd bother to actually count them...

Instead, those ballots --- Wisconsin votes on mostly paper ballots --- are tabulated by computer optical-scan systems like the ones in Palm Beach County, FL which, in March of this year, had named several losing candidates to be the "winners". And like the ones in New York City which, in 2010, managed to toss out thousands of valid votes, including as many as 70% in one South Bronx precinct. And like the ones in Oakland County, Michigan where officials found the same machines failed to count the same ballots the same way twice in 2008. And like the ones in Leon County, FL which, in 2005, were hacked to entirely flip the results of a mock election.

In Palm Beach County, FL the failure was discovered during a state mandated post-election spot-check of 2% of the paper ballots. In New York City, it took nearly two years before the failures were discovered after the New York Daily News was able to examine the paper ballots via a public records request. In Oakland County, MI, election officials were lucky enough to discover the failure during pre-election testing. And in Leon County, FL, the hacker --- a computer security expert --- revealed the op-scan system flaw he exploited to flip the results of the election in an Emmy-nominated HBO documentary.

(Links to more info in quoted portions are omitted but can be found in the link above.)

See also this item from March, 2012:

US E-Voting System Cracked in Less than 48 Hours

Researchers at the University of Michigan have reported that . . . . "Within 48 hours of the system going live, we had gained near complete control of the election server", the researchers wrote in a paper that has now been released. "We successfully changed every vote and revealed almost every secret ballot." The hack was only discovered after about two business days – and most likely only because the intruders left a visible trail on purpose.

More at http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/US-e-voting-system-cracked-in-less-than-48-hours-1463881.html .

See also http://www.democraticunderground.com/125142744 . And if you don't know who Kathy Nickolaus is, see http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002767805 .)

[We Want Peace]

12. great links

thanks!

[PeaceNikki]

17. Do you need 100 threads on this? Yer getting awfully "spammy".

[midnight]

21. Why would anyone be content with allowing the Republicans to write and oversee Wisconsin's private

source code without questioning it?

[Ellipsis]

22. What are you talking about?

[We Want Peace]

23. why do you keep answering everyone like you know everything if you don't understand the basics?

??

[Ellipsis]

24. What are YOU talking about?

&feature=related

[We Want Peace]

31. you seriously don't know about the Republican owned voting machines and their secret source code?

There is so much history here, you have to do a lot of reading.

Maybe you should do that reading before you spam the board telling everyone to shut up about fraudulent election processes.

[Trillo]

32. Do you mind posting videos in the video forum?

It was a DU2 rule.

[SGMRTDARMY]

28. And you have yet to produce

one iota of evidence of voter fraud.

[We Want Peace]

27. Why would anyone be content with allowing the Republicans to write and oversee Wisconsin's private

"Why would anyone be content with allowing the Republicans to write and oversee Wisconsin's private source code without questioning it? "

Good question!

These people don't even understand what we are dealing with, have been paying no attention whatsoever...

and they keep calling me a troll.

I alerted on 5 troll pictures in a row, and the jury voted to keep them which is clearly against the terms of service.

Something has clearly gone wrong here...

[SGMRTDARMY]

29. Ya think maybe the juries

agree with the sentiment?
Just sayin

[Ellipsis]

30. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=517493&mesg_id=517493


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=517493&mesg_id=517613

[librechik]

33. what difference does it make with an early concession from the candidate?

these weak kneed Dems are responsible for the lack of appropriate follow up on ballots. Nobody wants to raise a fuss. That is our flaw as a party.