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any Democrat who bashes Obama at all between now and November is doing the GOP's (Original Post) scheming daemons Jun 2012 OP
I don't think you will see it happen! nt teddy51 Jun 2012 #1
I agree: we need him now more than ever. nt babylonsister Jun 2012 #2
Oh, really? RC Jun 2012 #3
Well, Romney would destroy Social Security totally and SoutherDem Jun 2012 #6
No one is above criticism. Nobody. RC Jun 2012 #32
I used to date a guy who had a twin brother SoutherDem Jun 2012 #44
Agreed. However, if you're voting for him and contributing to his campaign, there dimbear Jun 2012 #4
Quit your bullshit. We're not goose-stepping robots. Maybe you are? Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #5
This is why the GOP wins. Posts like yours, Poll_blind scheming daemons Jun 2012 #8
No. They win because Third Way policies convince nobody. nt MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #10
The GOP can't stand their own nominee.. but they will crawl on broken glass to vote for him. scheming daemons Jun 2012 #12
As long as we embrace Third Way policies, we lose MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #22
Keen observation there... traitor! Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #53
You're saying that the GOP whine about their candidate, and win, but ... muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #59
Riiiiiiight. Put down the glue, dude. The GOP doesn't win because I bitch about... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #27
+1 nashville_brook Jun 2012 #56
Are we in the general election season yet? If so, I believe the TOS applies... Zalatix Jun 2012 #58
Maybe Obama should stop bashing the 99% MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #7
You are one of Rove's "useful idiots" and you don't even realize it scheming daemons Jun 2012 #9
We can agree on this: MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #24
stop it! G_j Jun 2012 #26
Or maybe they are just being realistic and honest. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #11
Republicans who one month ago professed hatred for Romney are now enthusiastic about him scheming daemons Jun 2012 #15
So, you think us all should embrace Republican lite to stop the nutcases? StreetKnowledge Jun 2012 #50
Yup GarroHorus Jun 2012 #13
With due respect, you are full of crap. And bytheway "a high percentage" is the same f'ing thing rhett o rick Jun 2012 #23
Its not about bashing Obama, its about trying to prevent a President Romney win quinnox Jun 2012 #14
Any public criticism of Obama *HELPS* Romney win. Too many DUers are like Cory Booker..... scheming daemons Jun 2012 #20
If your goal is to unite us against Romney you are failing. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #35
Are you looking for cheap applause or pushing flaimbait? If you want lock-step rhett o rick Jun 2012 #16
This thread is ABOUT uniting! We have a nominee... we *MUST* unite around him. scheming daemons Jun 2012 #21
This thread is a clear attempt to start a flame war. Now isnt the time. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #39
We need to unite, otherwise we'll lose flamingdem Jun 2012 #17
Yep, and the trolls are here tonight to prove your point. Matariki Jun 2012 #18
Bill Clinton is doing the president no favors! He hurt Hillary, too, with his gaffes. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #19
Define... Precisely... "Bashing"... WillyT Jun 2012 #25
DU rec...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #28
Sorry I have voted a straight democratic ticket for 40 years wilsonbooks Jun 2012 #29
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #30
"We need to chase the moneychangers out of the temple." SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #33
I mean that if the democratic party is ever going to be worth anything, then it has to stand for wilsonbooks Jun 2012 #37
"What good is a party that has only the goal of winning at any cost?" SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #42
Especially when they lose most of the time! MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #45
Welcome to DU, WilsonBooks! MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #34
Manny I have been around DU for a long time. wilsonbooks Jun 2012 #41
Well then, please post more often! MannyGoldstein Jun 2012 #43
At this point in the election season we should circle the wagons Blaukraut Jun 2012 #31
What do you mean by bash? JonLP24 Jun 2012 #36
He means when the President extends the Bush tax cuts AGAIN, everybody better... Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #38
Results of the alert on this thread... SidDithers Jun 2012 #40
I agree with the comment G_j Jun 2012 #46
Attacking Obama for being too militaristic, Vattel Jun 2012 #47
Flame bait! But you knew that! Logical Jun 2012 #48
Does that include Bill Clinton? ibegurpard Jun 2012 #49
Anyone who would demand a blind eye, closed ears, and a mute tongue TheKentuckian Jun 2012 #51
Do you honestly believe that anybody that reads this board is undecided? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #52
It would be nice if he would stand up and fight for us between now and November. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #54
You forgot the sarcasm tag. progressoid Jun 2012 #55
K&R treestar Jun 2012 #57
No true Scotsman... Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #60

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
6. Well, Romney would destroy Social Security totally and
Reply to RC (Reply #3)
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:30 PM
Jun 2012

not only make the Bush tax cuts permeant but look mild.

So, anyone who wants to condemn Obama go ahead. I am sure they will like Romney much better, anyway.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
32. No one is above criticism. Nobody.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:52 PM
Jun 2012

That thinking is how dictators rise to power. That is how Scott Walker won the recall election. (so far at least) Too many people can't see the damage he is doing - yet.
You criticized bu$h(I hope) when he was president and they were telling us you don't criticize the president in time of war? While Obama is much better, he is just not better enough. Drones anyone? Too much compromising to get not enough done?

It is best to keep both eyes open. Just because our guy is better than their guy does not mean our guy can't or won't make mistakes. When he does, he needs to be called on them.
How else is he supposed to know he is not doing what WE want? After all, is that not the purpose of our "leaders"?

SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
44. I used to date a guy who had a twin brother
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:07 AM
Jun 2012

they fought like cats and dogs. But, let someone criticize one and the other was ready for war.

We are like those brothers, we can fight like cats and dogs as much as we like as long as we are ready to defend each other when the time is right.

We are simply saying for the next 5 months it is time to fight for one another not against each other.

In 6 months we can go back to fighting like cats and dogs.

I understand what you are saying, but it does fuel the fire for Romney.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
4. Agreed. However, if you're voting for him and contributing to his campaign, there
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:26 PM
Jun 2012

can be a dispensation issued. Pay up and slam.


Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
5. Quit your bullshit. We're not goose-stepping robots. Maybe you are?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:27 PM
Jun 2012

You're just going to have to get used to the fact that politicians work for the people, and sometimes people are greatly displeased when the politicians don't deliver.

The President has upset so many in his own party, he has regularly commented about it publicly.

He is a boxer and he doesn't need his mama to come into the ring and swing her purse to protect him.

PB

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
12. The GOP can't stand their own nominee.. but they will crawl on broken glass to vote for him.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:35 PM
Jun 2012


"Democrats" like you have a few minor differences with our nominee and they whine like banshees and convince as many other Democrats as they can to stay home.


You're part of the problem.
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
22. As long as we embrace Third Way policies, we lose
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jun 2012

The Third Way took over our Party in 1993. We lost both houses of Congress in the next election, and the Republicans kept them until Dr. Dean took over the Party. In the two elections he ran, we won back and kept both houses of Congress and won the Presidency. As soon as the Third Way took over again, we immediately got creamed.

History is clear: only the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party can win en masse.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,152 posts)
59. You're saying that the GOP whine about their candidate, and win, but ...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:09 AM
Jun 2012

that if Poll_Blind says "The President has upset so many in his own party, he has regularly commented about it publicly", and that Democrats are not "goose-stepping robots", Poll_Blind will cause the GOP to win?

You are not making the slightest bit of sense. You are irrational. You seem to have decided to attack Poll_Blind instead of even attempting to think about what you're writing.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
27. Riiiiiiight. Put down the glue, dude. The GOP doesn't win because I bitch about...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:43 PM
Jun 2012

...President Obama. Can you possibly shroud yourself in unnecessary drama and hyperbole any more?

PB

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
58. Are we in the general election season yet? If so, I believe the TOS applies...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:52 AM
Jun 2012

Terms of Service: Vote for Democrats.

Winning elections is important — therefore, advocating in favor of Republican nominees or in favor of third-party spoiler candidates that could split the vote and throw an election to our conservative opponents is never permitted on Democratic Underground. But that does not mean that DU members are required to always be completely supportive of Democrats. During the ups-and-downs of politics and policy-making, it is perfectly normal to have mixed feelings about the Democratic officials we worked hard to help elect. When we are not in the heat of election season, members are permitted to post strong criticism or disappointment with our Democratic elected officials, or to express ambivalence about voting for them. In Democratic primaries, members may support whomever they choose. But when general election season begins, DU members must support Democratic nominees (EXCEPT in rare cases where were a non-Democrat is most likely to defeat the conservative alternative, or where there is no possibility of splitting the liberal vote and inadvertently throwing the election to the conservative alternative). For presidential contests, election season begins when both major-party nominees become clear. For non-presidential contests, election season begins on Labor Day. Everyone here on DU needs to work together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government. If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
9. You are one of Rove's "useful idiots" and you don't even realize it
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jun 2012

He counts on folks like you killing enthusiasm from within.


Congrats. You're very good at it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Or maybe they are just being realistic and honest.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:34 PM
Jun 2012

Hero-worship isn't going to get us anywhere.

Honesty about mistakes made and the need to make a major correction in our direction will.

As long as Obama concedes to the fundamental Republican arguments that we need to cut back on government, privatize the schools and just about everything else, that we can't have healthcare without for-profit insurance companies taking around 20% of our healthcare premiums, that saving our environment is not more important that pleasing the oil, gas, coal and nuclear industries, that we can't raise taxes on the rich, that we can't have a really decent jobs program because we have to impose austerity, that seniors don't really deserve to be able to live on Social Security, etc., then we really can't expect to win in November.

People are not going to vote for Republican lite.

Barrett was a strong candidate, but when you have to fight as much money as went into the Wisconsin election, when the media is against you, you have to strike a dramatic contrast with your opposition. Obama is not good at doing that -- creating drama and contrast.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
15. Republicans who one month ago professed hatred for Romney are now enthusiastic about him
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:37 PM
Jun 2012

They get it.


This is a war.


There is no room for bashing inward.


All of our efforts, and I mean *ALL*, have to be aimed at the other side.


You're in a war and you don't realize it.

StreetKnowledge

(923 posts)
50. So, you think us all should embrace Republican lite to stop the nutcases?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:50 AM
Jun 2012

If you do that, it doesn't matter who you vote for. They win anyways.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
13. Yup
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:37 PM
Jun 2012

and a high percentage of the posters on this site are all too willing to help the Republicans.

from what I've seen, probably the majority of posters here.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
23. With due respect, you are full of crap. And bytheway "a high percentage" is the same f'ing thing
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jun 2012

as "the majority". I recommend the meat-eaters special.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
14. Its not about bashing Obama, its about trying to prevent a President Romney win
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:37 PM
Jun 2012

in November. Jesus, a lot of Democrats aren't like Bush-bots, remember them? We have really intelligent people in the Dem party, not just sheep like followers like the GOP has.

Some of us want to try and turn around the Titanic before it hits the iceberg.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
20. Any public criticism of Obama *HELPS* Romney win. Too many DUers are like Cory Booker.....
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:39 PM
Jun 2012

....


*NOTHING* good can be accomplished by publicly bashing Obama. Nothing.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
35. If your goal is to unite us against Romney you are failing.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:57 PM
Jun 2012

No one on DU is like Cory Booker. Or show me a post that kisses Romney's ass.

When you say that "bashing" Obama is doing the work for the Republicans, to me it's code for "sit down and shut up". I will support Pres Obama and vote for him. But I will not sit down and shut up, ever, not for Rahmbo and not for you.

IMO you are doing more damage than good.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. Are you looking for cheap applause or pushing flaimbait? If you want lock-step
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:37 PM
Jun 2012

obedience you are in the wrong f'ing party. Maybe you should consider trying to unite the Democrats instead of threatening them.

 

scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
21. This thread is ABOUT uniting! We have a nominee... we *MUST* unite around him.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jun 2012

Save our criticism for the real enemy. And it ain't Obama.
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
25. Define... Precisely... "Bashing"...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jun 2012

There are going to be hundreds of post Recall dissections of what happened, and what it means, with regards to Wisconsin.

So please... give us your guidelines.


wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
29. Sorry I have voted a straight democratic ticket for 40 years
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:46 PM
Jun 2012

and will continue to but I am sick of chicken shit corporate dems who never support the rank and file.

Harry Truman would have campaigned and campaigned hard to beat walker. The problem is that the third way/triangulating/corporate

whores who pretend to be democrats could care less about democratic principals and are only in it for the money and power. We need

to chase the moneychangers out of the temple.

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
33. "We need to chase the moneychangers out of the temple."
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:55 PM
Jun 2012

Explain what you mean by out of the Temple in a post about Obama please?

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
37. I mean that if the democratic party is ever going to be worth anything, then it has to stand for
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:00 AM
Jun 2012

core principals. And if we elect candidates who do not uphold those principals we need to hold them accountable.

What good is a party that has only the goal of winning at any cost?

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
42. "What good is a party that has only the goal of winning at any cost?"
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:05 AM
Jun 2012

I think that cleared it up. I prefer that Obama stay in the temple.

wilsonbooks

(972 posts)
41. Manny I have been around DU for a long time.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:03 AM
Jun 2012

Long enough to remember when it wasn't dominated by lock step party hacks.

Blaukraut

(5,689 posts)
31. At this point in the election season we should circle the wagons
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jun 2012

I've never had a lot of patience with the DU'ers who rarely have anything positive to post about the President, but flood the board with anti Obama posts, even if it means they have to link to right wing websites. Still, as long as no rule was broken, it was their right to do so. Some gripes are legitimate and I share them, others are misguided and often petty.

While it is still every poster's right to express criticism of the Obama administration, I personally believe it should be toned down until after the election. Like siblings who fight among each other, but band together when they face a common outside enemy, we are all in the same boat right now.

We need to band together and fight to get Obama reelected, because even if some of us only approve of 50% of his ideas and actions, that is still 100% more agreement that we will ever have with a President Romney.

No, this is not a lesser of two evils, because as Democratic Presidents go, Obama is pretty decent.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
36. What do you mean by bash?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:58 PM
Jun 2012

Criticize a policy he enacts between now & election?

Anyways, like always I'll support a policy if I like it. Criticize it if I don't.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
38. He means when the President extends the Bush tax cuts AGAIN, everybody better...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:01 AM
Jun 2012

...clam up if they know what's good for them.

Coming this summer like a bad sequel...

PB

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
40. Results of the alert on this thread...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:03 AM
Jun 2012
At Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:40 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

any Democrat who bashes Obama at all between now and November is doing the GOP's
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002772184

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Pure flamebait of a post. scheming daemons is using the OP to attack and call-out DUers who disagree with him. (See posts 8 & 9, for example.)

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:00 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: It is flame bait only made to give the OP a platform to insult DU members.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I agree with the post. It's election season at DU, and the TOS pretty clearly spells out that "If you are bashing, trashing, undermining, or depressing turnout for our candidates during election season, we'll assume you are rooting for the other side."

So, no alerter. This is not flamebait. It's the Terms of Service of this site.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: And you're using the alert system to shut down DU'ers who disagree with you. Deal with it.


Sid

G_j

(40,366 posts)
46. I agree with the comment
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:09 AM
Jun 2012

That this thread is a platform to attack other DUers. But then, I guess I'm just one of Rove's useful idiots!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
47. Attacking Obama for being too militaristic,
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:20 AM
Jun 2012

too pro-executive-power, too anti-medical-marijuana, too willing to sacrifice civil liberties and human rights for national security, too anti-public-education, etc., will not convince anyone to vote for Romney instead of Obama because Romney is even more vulnerable to such attacks. Will it dampen enthusiasm among Democrats with the result that significantly fewer Democrats will show up to vote on election day? I don't really know, but my guess would be no.

TheKentuckian

(24,943 posts)
51. Anyone who would demand a blind eye, closed ears, and a mute tongue
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:28 AM
Jun 2012

and allow an elected official to act with impunity using elections as a shield serves the interest of far worse than TeaPubliKlans. It serves their stringpullers.

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