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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsany Democrat who bashes Obama at all between now and November is doing the GOP's
Dirty work for them.
Bash Obama and you're just one of their useful idiots.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)babylonsister
(170,962 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)And the next time he puts Social Security on the table, or extends bu$h's tax cuts?
And there is this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002772226
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)not only make the Bush tax cuts permeant but look mild.
So, anyone who wants to condemn Obama go ahead. I am sure they will like Romney much better, anyway.
RC
(25,592 posts)That thinking is how dictators rise to power. That is how Scott Walker won the recall election. (so far at least) Too many people can't see the damage he is doing - yet.
You criticized bu$h(I hope) when he was president and they were telling us you don't criticize the president in time of war? While Obama is much better, he is just not better enough. Drones anyone? Too much compromising to get not enough done?
It is best to keep both eyes open. Just because our guy is better than their guy does not mean our guy can't or won't make mistakes. When he does, he needs to be called on them.
How else is he supposed to know he is not doing what WE want? After all, is that not the purpose of our "leaders"?
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)they fought like cats and dogs. But, let someone criticize one and the other was ready for war.
We are like those brothers, we can fight like cats and dogs as much as we like as long as we are ready to defend each other when the time is right.
We are simply saying for the next 5 months it is time to fight for one another not against each other.
In 6 months we can go back to fighting like cats and dogs.
I understand what you are saying, but it does fuel the fire for Romney.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)can be a dispensation issued. Pay up and slam.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)You're just going to have to get used to the fact that politicians work for the people, and sometimes people are greatly displeased when the politicians don't deliver.
The President has upset so many in his own party, he has regularly commented about it publicly.
He is a boxer and he doesn't need his mama to come into the ring and swing her purse to protect him.
PB
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)"Democrats" like you have a few minor differences with our nominee and they whine like banshees and convince as many other Democrats as they can to stay home.
You're part of the problem.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)The Third Way took over our Party in 1993. We lost both houses of Congress in the next election, and the Republicans kept them until Dr. Dean took over the Party. In the two elections he ran, we won back and kept both houses of Congress and won the Presidency. As soon as the Third Way took over again, we immediately got creamed.
History is clear: only the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party can win en masse.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,152 posts)that if Poll_Blind says "The President has upset so many in his own party, he has regularly commented about it publicly", and that Democrats are not "goose-stepping robots", Poll_Blind will cause the GOP to win?
You are not making the slightest bit of sense. You are irrational. You seem to have decided to attack Poll_Blind instead of even attempting to think about what you're writing.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...President Obama. Can you possibly shroud yourself in unnecessary drama and hyperbole any more?
PB
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Zalatix
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MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)He counts on folks like you killing enthusiasm from within.
Congrats. You're very good at it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)one of us is an idiot.
G_j
(40,366 posts)All you are doing is deliberately insulting and blaming other DUes. It is truly sickening!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hero-worship isn't going to get us anywhere.
Honesty about mistakes made and the need to make a major correction in our direction will.
As long as Obama concedes to the fundamental Republican arguments that we need to cut back on government, privatize the schools and just about everything else, that we can't have healthcare without for-profit insurance companies taking around 20% of our healthcare premiums, that saving our environment is not more important that pleasing the oil, gas, coal and nuclear industries, that we can't raise taxes on the rich, that we can't have a really decent jobs program because we have to impose austerity, that seniors don't really deserve to be able to live on Social Security, etc., then we really can't expect to win in November.
People are not going to vote for Republican lite.
Barrett was a strong candidate, but when you have to fight as much money as went into the Wisconsin election, when the media is against you, you have to strike a dramatic contrast with your opposition. Obama is not good at doing that -- creating drama and contrast.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)They get it.
This is a war.
There is no room for bashing inward.
All of our efforts, and I mean *ALL*, have to be aimed at the other side.
You're in a war and you don't realize it.
StreetKnowledge
(923 posts)If you do that, it doesn't matter who you vote for. They win anyways.
GarroHorus
(1,055 posts)and a high percentage of the posters on this site are all too willing to help the Republicans.
from what I've seen, probably the majority of posters here.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)as "the majority". I recommend the meat-eaters special.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)in November. Jesus, a lot of Democrats aren't like Bush-bots, remember them? We have really intelligent people in the Dem party, not just sheep like followers like the GOP has.
Some of us want to try and turn around the Titanic before it hits the iceberg.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)....
*NOTHING* good can be accomplished by publicly bashing Obama. Nothing.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)No one on DU is like Cory Booker. Or show me a post that kisses Romney's ass.
When you say that "bashing" Obama is doing the work for the Republicans, to me it's code for "sit down and shut up". I will support Pres Obama and vote for him. But I will not sit down and shut up, ever, not for Rahmbo and not for you.
IMO you are doing more damage than good.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)obedience you are in the wrong f'ing party. Maybe you should consider trying to unite the Democrats instead of threatening them.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Save our criticism for the real enemy. And it ain't Obama.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)flamingdem
(39,304 posts)nt
Matariki
(18,775 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)There are going to be hundreds of post Recall dissections of what happened, and what it means, with regards to Wisconsin.
So please... give us your guidelines.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)and will continue to but I am sick of chicken shit corporate dems who never support the rank and file.
Harry Truman would have campaigned and campaigned hard to beat walker. The problem is that the third way/triangulating/corporate
whores who pretend to be democrats could care less about democratic principals and are only in it for the money and power. We need
to chase the moneychangers out of the temple.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Welcome to DU!!!
Nice to have you aboard wilsonbooks !!!
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)Explain what you mean by out of the Temple in a post about Obama please?
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)core principals. And if we elect candidates who do not uphold those principals we need to hold them accountable.
What good is a party that has only the goal of winning at any cost?
SunsetDreams
(8,571 posts)I think that cleared it up. I prefer that Obama stay in the temple.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Might as well go down fighting! Hell, we might even win!
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I hope that you stick around, and that we get many more like you.
wilsonbooks
(972 posts)Long enough to remember when it wasn't dominated by lock step party hacks.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)We need your help!
Blaukraut
(5,689 posts)I've never had a lot of patience with the DU'ers who rarely have anything positive to post about the President, but flood the board with anti Obama posts, even if it means they have to link to right wing websites. Still, as long as no rule was broken, it was their right to do so. Some gripes are legitimate and I share them, others are misguided and often petty.
While it is still every poster's right to express criticism of the Obama administration, I personally believe it should be toned down until after the election. Like siblings who fight among each other, but band together when they face a common outside enemy, we are all in the same boat right now.
We need to band together and fight to get Obama reelected, because even if some of us only approve of 50% of his ideas and actions, that is still 100% more agreement that we will ever have with a President Romney.
No, this is not a lesser of two evils, because as Democratic Presidents go, Obama is pretty decent.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Criticize a policy he enacts between now & election?
Anyways, like always I'll support a policy if I like it. Criticize it if I don't.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...clam up if they know what's good for them.
Coming this summer like a bad sequel...
PB
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)any Democrat who bashes Obama at all between now and November is doing the GOP's
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002772184
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Pure flamebait of a post. scheming daemons is using the OP to attack and call-out DUers who disagree with him. (See posts 8 & 9, for example.)
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So, no alerter. This is not flamebait. It's the Terms of Service of this site.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: And you're using the alert system to shut down DU'ers who disagree with you. Deal with it.
Sid
G_j
(40,366 posts)That this thread is a platform to attack other DUers. But then, I guess I'm just one of Rove's useful idiots!
Vattel
(9,289 posts)too pro-executive-power, too anti-medical-marijuana, too willing to sacrifice civil liberties and human rights for national security, too anti-public-education, etc., will not convince anyone to vote for Romney instead of Obama because Romney is even more vulnerable to such attacks. Will it dampen enthusiasm among Democrats with the result that significantly fewer Democrats will show up to vote on election day? I don't really know, but my guess would be no.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)TheKentuckian
(24,943 posts)and allow an elected official to act with impunity using elections as a shield serves the interest of far worse than TeaPubliKlans. It serves their stringpullers.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)progressoid
(49,825 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)You are right. Do all they can to help the right, not the left.