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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:17 PM Jun 2012

New Rules for elections: If less than 1/2 turnout, then the uncast ballots go to the LOWEST

candidate on each ballot line. Example 4 candidates run for dog catcher the one with the lowest count would get all unused (uncast)votes in each precinct..

The count of voters would be made public 30 days prior to the elections.

This of course would have more parties(candidates) running since you could win by default.

It would all give us the government we deserve and cleanup the voter rolls.

You snooze you lose.

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New Rules for elections: If less than 1/2 turnout, then the uncast ballots go to the LOWEST (Original Post) CK_John Jun 2012 OP
So the one with the least votes wins? drm604 Jun 2012 #1
In a world of dumb ideas.. dems_rightnow Jun 2012 #2
Many more elections than the big one, which usually gets more than 1/2 voters out. CK_John Jun 2012 #5
And none of them would be won by anyone people voted for dems_rightnow Jun 2012 #8
How about a mandatory candidate on the bottom of each office named LARED Jun 2012 #3
Why give the decision challenge another shot. Election are to elect or unelect someone. CK_John Jun 2012 #6
Nah if less than 1/2 the registered voters turn up then we randomly elect jp11 Jun 2012 #4
Why don't they take the time to get on the ballot. CK_John Jun 2012 #7
What if certain government funding was determined by voter participation? Ian David Jun 2012 #9
What an interesting assumption, SheilaT Jun 2012 #10
To increase voter participation, maybe? randome Jun 2012 #11
Since motor voter changes the voter roolers are purged of dead/moving CK_John Jun 2012 #12
Doing what Australia does would make more sense cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #13
So what do they do? CK_John Jun 2012 #14
There is a fine for not voting in Australia cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #15
You want to put Lyndon LaRouche in the White House? Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #16
When is the last presidental election that had less than 1/2 turnout?? CK_John Jun 2012 #17
Small offices are important too ButterflyBlood Jun 2012 #18
Local offices are the most important and the DNC needs a 50 state program CK_John Jun 2012 #19
A CK_John Classic! Is your goal to have 3,000+ candidates for each office? FSogol Jun 2012 #20
Just better turnout. nt CK_John Jun 2012 #21
Provide a tax-rebate for people who vote. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #22

dems_rightnow

(1,956 posts)
2. In a world of dumb ideas..
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:24 PM
Jun 2012

... this takes the cake.

I should have put my name on the ballot for president. I'd have won in a landslide. Nobody would have actually voted for me or anything.....

dems_rightnow

(1,956 posts)
8. And none of them would be won by anyone people voted for
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:39 PM
Jun 2012

Even in "the big one" with over 50% turnout, the final score would have been:

Me: 43.2%
Obama: 31.8%
McCain: 24.4%

Surely you'd have to agree that this would be a ridiculous thing?

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
6. Why give the decision challenge another shot. Election are to elect or unelect someone.
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:35 PM
Jun 2012

What do you do hold another election for the none of the above.

jp11

(2,104 posts)
4. Nah if less than 1/2 the registered voters turn up then we randomly elect
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:31 PM
Jun 2012

someone who's done prison time.



Ian David

(69,059 posts)
9. What if certain government funding was determined by voter participation?
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:48 PM
Jun 2012

For example, federal highway funds.

If $30 million is earmarked or allocated to your district, and there's a 50% voter turn-out, you only get $15 million that year. The rest goes back to the Treasury.

Libertarians and Conservatives who don't think the federal government should be spending money, and think that we need to reduce the deficit, can stay home and not vote, to reduce government spending.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
10. What an interesting assumption,
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jun 2012

that those who didn't bother to vote would have voted for the person who actually got the fewest votes.

What is your logic for this?

How would it clean up voter rolls? At least some states essentially never purge their voter rolls because of potential for purging actual voters who will finally decide to vote after some years of not doing so. Which means far more voters are on the rolls than are actually living, living in that voting area, and intending to vote. So in places like that this would be a genuinely dumb idea.

I have no idea what can be done to persuade people to first of all register, and then actually show up and vote, especially in primary elections and off-year elections. But your suggestion wouldn't help any.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. To increase voter participation, maybe?
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jun 2012

Maybe it's not a good idea but at least it's AN idea.

Perhaps a better idea would be to hold the election over -and keep holding another one- until more than half of eligible voters vote.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
12. Since motor voter changes the voter roolers are purged of dead/moving
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:05 PM
Jun 2012

voters. So this be less of a problem down the road.

But people at the local level need to get envolved.
Maybe we should just cancel driver lic or issue an civil fine of 1000$ for not voting.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
13. Doing what Australia does would make more sense
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:05 PM
Jun 2012

The presumption in the OP proposal is to appeal to the non-voter's sense of interest in the outcome of elections, which is problematic, since they already demonstrate a low level of interest in who wins.

And the proposal penalizes people who vote for the fact that other do not vote, which is bizarre. (It selects the candidate least favored by those who actually voted, which is a penalty to the voter.)

Since the proposal is way out there it is even less likely to be enacted than a more straightforward requirement that people vote, like in Australia.

If people who do not vote are fined then not voting because a privilege of the rich... which sounds fine to me!

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
15. There is a fine for not voting in Australia
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:12 PM
Jun 2012

As a civil libertarian I think the right to votes includes the right not to vote.

But demographically, if we had had the Australian system no republican president would ever be elected again, so I wouldn't mind it.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
17. When is the last presidental election that had less than 1/2 turnout??
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:54 PM
Jun 2012

Not a problem, but dog catcher maybe.

ButterflyBlood

(12,644 posts)
18. Small offices are important too
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:50 AM
Jun 2012

They might not seem like a big deal and probably shouldn't be voted on, but I'd hate to see even a county clerk office held by a communist, Nazi or random guy who just like being on the ballot.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
19. Local offices are the most important and the DNC needs a 50 state program
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012

to train and mentor a farm league of candidates.

 

OneTenthofOnePercent

(6,268 posts)
22. Provide a tax-rebate for people who vote.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 04:02 PM
Jun 2012

When you vote, you get a unique tag or receipt linked to your name.
Enter this unique receipt number on your taxes and get a $100 tax rebate.

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