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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAirline squeeze: It's not you, 'it's the seat'
(CNN) -- If you're on a flight -- especially a long one -- a coach class seat can be a chair of torture.
It doesn't take much these days to ruin a perfectly good airplane ride, CNN.com readers have made clear. It's a real buzzkill to try to walk down the aisle "with a bag on your shoulder, hitting everyone as you pass by," suggests user "Cajuncatdude." Commenter "Rosemeow" writes, "It's bad enough that about a quarter of the time, I have an obese person sitting next to me (sometimes on both sides) who doesn't fit into their own seat, crushing me."
And "MrsColumbo" complains about "people who don't even try to stand up without grabbing on to the seat in front and pulling themselves up. What is with that?"
Scoring a good airline seat
For something as seemingly simple as stuffing rear ends between two armrests inside a flying metal tube, it kind of feels like there's some anger up there.
And things could get even more heated. Changes are happening now, as major U.S. carriers look for new ways to pump up profits by either adding to or reducing the number of coach seats, increasing legroom or cutting the distance between rows.
You might call it a game of aeronautical chairs that will directly affect passenger comfort, convenience and cost.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/30/travel/airline-seats/index.html?hpt=hp_bn5
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5480133/
marybourg
(12,598 posts)on the seat back to get up. It has to do with age, knees and stiffness from guess what? sitting in a cramped position for a long time .
dana_b
(11,546 posts)I have a bad back and since there is so little room between us and the seat back in front of us, there is not enough room to scoot forward and stand up. I have to grab onto something to stand up. I feel bad but what else can I do?
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)Young and limber. With a standard 31" seat pitch, the only alternative is to arch my back and press down on the arm rests.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)irritating especially if you are trying to sleep but there really isn't a lot of choice for some of us. I will have to try that arching and pressing down. I have a newly repaired back and haven't flown since the surgery.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)I can't imagine how even average-sized people manage.
Risen Demon
(199 posts)Flying there wasn't so bad. The flight had several empty seats and I ended up getting a whole window row to myself to sprawl out on. Still uncomfortable, but not cramped.
Coming back one year later: horrible. Every 3 or 4 hours i had to get up to go to the toilet, the pressure down on my tailbone made me feel like I just had a deep cavity search. And the man next to me was at least 6'5, 250lbs. Flying long distances is not one of my pleasures.
Rittermeister
(170 posts)pink-o
(4,056 posts)In my case...that would be me! I work for a major carrier, and I'm a 6'1" female who has to practically go through Lamasse classes every time she flies, knowing the hideous pain that lies ahead of her! So I'm in full empathy mode every time I see a tall flier. I even scope you guys out in the boarding area and give you the exit if it's available.
So what kills me is that tall people are always so appreciatve when our issues are acknowledged and understood. We need to organize a Million Tall March on washington for our civil rights. Betcha we'd get recognized straight away, Nobody wants to go against the giants!
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)and an extremely obese man was seated next to me. He realized that I was cramped in my seat. He graciously moved to another single seat.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)e.g. Short haul economy seat pitch and width by Airline and by airplane model http://www.seatguru.com/charts/shorthaul_economy.php
justice1
(795 posts)Passengers would request bulkhead, and rows with extra oxygen online, and were nasty when you had to move them, for someone that needed a particular seat.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Why do I need a bump in the middle of my head to push my head down, chin to chest? Why?
K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)I can never even tell if it's upright or reclined, the difference is so slight.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)It's good for crowding the leg room behind you though. It amazes me how that 1/2" in front almost touches my knees.
dkf
(37,305 posts)They are so uncomfortable they gave me a case of Claustrophobia that I havent been able to kick since.
I can pin it to the exact flight and the awful anxiety it gave me. And once I experienced it, it comes back. The position of the headrest aggravated a neck injury I got from being rear ended, and being short it was hitting me at the top of my head forcing a very awkward angle for my neck.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)I can't imagine what the person who designed that was thinking.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)on something to raise them up, I wouldn't mind. But the seats are one size fits all and that one size is too narrow and the distance to the floor too great.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I also think the seats are shy on legroom AND assroom, and I can fit in them as well as the next hapless slob, but I don't find them comfortable at all on most airlines.
Of course, I'm usually in coach, so there ya go...
AndyTiedye
(23,500 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I was on an international flight, can't remember the airline, some time ago that had the NICEST footrests--they really made a difference. You could put the seat back, put your feet up and sleep.
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)and I do the long hauls in and out of North America. American carriers are typically the worst with the least leg-room (American's 767's I am talking to you). The Airbus A380 (Emirates config anyway) is the equivalent of Business class on some American carriers. It is wonderful.
Due to the baggage restrictions, I never travel with a suitcase carry-on, I always fly with a backback of the right size so that it can go underneath my seat. I know why the do it, but the oversize carryons drive me NUTS!
I always grab an aisle seat so that I can get up for the toilet as my bladder is always overactive due to scar tissue there. If I ever get stuck with an interior seat, I will just have to get up every two hours. Sorry, but your nap will be over.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Impossible.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)which means I'm never in anything other than a 737 or MD-90 series...I'm pretty used to anything lasting two hours or less, but any longer than that and my knees will really start to ache...After I had to suffer through the hell of taking a jam packed Southwest flight direct from Phoenix to Atlanta, I really began to re-evaluate my flying choices...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)I never know which will be better (I have written down Airbus A380 so I can look it up). Different equipment makes a difference, the airline per se not so much...
What do you know about Delta/KLM/Air France and Iberia? Also, American Airlines flights to Europe?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)but the actual comfort, service and amenities are up to the airlines themselves -- Depending on where you are going (and your budget), the higher profile airlines in the Middle East and South Asia is the next best thing to having a private charter...
Also, they are not that widespread yet, but the new 747-8 and 787 are supposed to be cutting edge...
Someone who knows the Airbus can chime in about those...
JCMach1
(27,553 posts)The American carriers and Lufthansa tend to skimp on room between seats.
There is a a website http://www.seatguru.com/ ...
Another place with more space that no one has mentioned... In some configurations, just behind the disabled seat, there is a seat that has more free-space in-front. These tend to be toward the back of the plane.
Bulkheads can sometimes now be a black hole as they tend to get filled with families with small children and big people. So yeah, if you want to get squished and/or have your ear drums split, enjoy.
Exit rows can become a ditch too as people on some configurations can end up as a standing lounge to people stretching legs and/or waiting in line for the toilet...
You can hardly win...
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)60 Euros extra. I almost did it but backed out because of the extra cost. I regretted it since it was such tight legroom (and I don't have really long legs). That was KLM. But on the way back, a Delta flight it was much better.
I also had good luck with Air France in the spring of 2011. I might have been on an Airbus...
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)However you can always find some good deals - sign up for alerts on Kayak (travel website).
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)JCMach1
(27,553 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)I hate flying that much . . . such an expensive, uncomfortable and awkward experience. Those seats cannot accommodate a 10 year old girl, the flights are always full to overbooked and it's guaranteed the people you're sitting with have pretty much zero clue about personal space from all sides. Breathers, snorers, coughers, sneezers, crying babies and toddlers, loud talkers, seat kickers, full recliners when you have a person spilling over into your seat, minimum 1/2, usually 2/3rds of the people on every flight are extra large males taking seat 1 and seat 3 so you're forced to sit between them (huh, because THEY ain't getting up) . . . unless you absolutely HAVE to fly, it's really not even worth it.
tanyev
(42,522 posts)Take all the issues you listed + a tendency to claustrophobia = nightmare. If we could afford to fly business or first class I don't think it would bother me as much, but who can afford to do that? It really ticks me off that this country has such poor train service.
YellowRubberDuckie
(19,736 posts)There are a couple of exceptions, but they are emergencies.
It's not just the seats, it is that every person who flies is treated like crap and like they're a terrorist no matter how illogical and ridiculous it is. I'm not putting myself through that. I'll take a train, but that is as far as I will go. If we go to Europe, it will be on a boat.
CTyankee
(63,892 posts)But I don't know one plane from another on these flights. I should get to know their technical name. I do know that my trip last October to Amsterdam included a bad seat situation going over and a good one returning. They were KLM/Delta, now merged. The KLM flight was the bad one...even tho I was able to sleep going over (thanks to low dose Ambien), while returning was daytime and I did not nap so as not to further screw up my body's clock (I suffer from terrible jet lag returning from, but not going to, Europe.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and the airline itself, since all aircraft can be ordered in a variety of options and seating configurations...
MADem
(135,425 posts)They are still separate airlines, playing tag team. Delta recently merged with Northwest.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I have wide shoulders too. I'm always super uncomfortable.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Treat your customers like crap, make them so uncomfortable that chiropractic treatments, muscle relaxers and/or booze are necessary after using the "service" and get huffy as hell when people complain about the shitty facilities and service.
Back in '03 I flew LA-Auckland on Air New Zealand. Comfy seat, even in coach, with a footrest, adjustable headrest, free food (which was quite decent) and a reasonable number of free drinks. 14 hours in the air - I slept most of the way and I had no problems.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)Im willing to pay extra for Economy Plus, I.e. 3-5" of extra leg room.