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Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:16 PM

What makes America great is that you can start with nothing and make it big.

Whenever somebody says this I ask them,why are Americans starting with nothing?

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Reply What makes America great is that you can start with nothing and make it big. (Original post)
athenasatanjesus Jun 2012 OP
enki23 Jun 2012 #1
elleng Jun 2012 #2
rustydog Jun 2012 #3
SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #18
Bennyboy Jun 2012 #4
Bigmack Jun 2012 #5
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #12
indivisibleman Jun 2012 #6
Quantess Jun 2012 #7
Igel Jun 2012 #8
bhikkhu Jun 2012 #13
Xolodno Jun 2012 #9
unkachuck Jun 2012 #10
pitohui Jun 2012 #11
FarCenter Jun 2012 #14
UTUSN Jun 2012 #15
Shankapotomus Jun 2012 #16
HarveyDarkey Jun 2012 #17
kentuck Jun 2012 #19
hunter Jun 2012 #20
taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #21
Kablooie Jun 2012 #22

Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:19 PM

1. You might also ask them why, by their own measure, America is the worst among all developed nations.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:21 PM

2. That's the OLD story, athena.

Times have changed.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:24 PM

3. Romney started with nothing! He pulled himself up by his bootstraps!

He only had to cash a few stocks for spending money in college...He only inherited a few million dollars from daddy..

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Response to rustydog (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:15 PM

18. That is not starting from nothing and he knows that.

Too bad he has fooled so many....

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 07:37 PM

4. If you sell drugs.

 

Only way to make money at business that you can start with less than 1K, I think.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:06 PM

5. If you tell people we have low economic mobility...

... they don't believe you. Even when confronted by facts and stats. It's the same denial of political/economic reality so prevalent in our country.

They will inevitably bring up somebody who has started a small business from nothing and made it big. That's one of millions, but they don't see the rarity of the event.. they just see the "wonders of capitalism."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/us/harder-for-americans-to-rise-from-lower-rungs.html?pagewanted=all

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Response to Bigmack (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:34 PM

12. Every sucker in this country thinks that someday they'll be on top.

 

How many million of these morons are willing to resort to violence over the estate tax that they'll never, ever have to pay?

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:08 PM

6. Thats funny. I will use that one.

When people ask me how things are going I say, "living the dream!"

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:13 PM

7. Class mobility is actually really low in the US compared to other nations.

Upward mobility is easier in most other developed countries. There are links, maybe I will post one if I find any.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 08:53 PM

8. It is, but it's complicated.

You have further to go to actually make it into the upper classes than in many countries.

Educational achievement is uneven and often runs in families. Single mother dropped out of school? Odds are greatly in favor of your dropping out of school. Few high-school dropouts in the upper classes. Blame it on uneven economic development, micro-cultural attitudes, whatever.

Class mobility is defined as being born and raised in one class and moving into another. So if you start with nothing but your upbringing and stay in that class it's assumed that somehow you actually took stuff--money, property, etc. Often the case in European countries. Not so much the case here.

I'm pretty much the same class as my parents. The only property I actually got from them was a car (high school graduation present) and $3000, which was actually the cashing out of my life insurance policy when I turned 18 and which I kept until last year (I'm in my 50s now).

In fact, it was also the case with my parents and their parents. Yet my parents parents left precisely nothing to my parents. At 18 my father left home; at 17, my mother. My mother--a single mother in the '50s--got some help from her mother, a roof over her head. But when she left home again she took her own income, her child, and her clothes.

It was the same with my wife before we got married--and with her parents, who only inherited a small amount when they were in their 50s.

The last two generations in my family started off with pretty much nothing when they left home. They weren't upwardly mobile, because their lifestyle in their teen years, which took them a decade or more to recreate, was very much like their final adult lifestyle. This isn't "upwardly mobile," by the operant definition.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:39 PM

13. Our manner of funding education is implicated there

...where local property taxes are the main contributor. So every poor neighborhood funds its school based on the meager local property values, while rich areas have few funding problem. Money means teacher's pay, classroom materials, buildings and infrastructure, all of which are usually better in wealthier neighborhoods.

Equality should start with education for children, but instead we have the opposite.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:04 PM

9. Reminds me of a few issues of the Silver Surfer Comic book...

...where he visits "Dynamo City".......

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/dynamoci.htm

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:21 PM

10. "...you can start with nothing and make it big."

 

"...why are Americans starting with nothing?"....so we can make it big?

....I've always worried more about starting with nothing, gaining a little something, then ending back with nothing after being consecutively raped financially by corporate America and their crooked economy....

....I've never believe in the 'bootstrap' theory of success....too many wealthy people don't wear boots....

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:27 PM

11. i just say if that's true, do it and show me how

why is it the people who always make this claim are still renters at 50?

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:48 PM

14. You can't start with nothing; but you can start with a lottery ticket

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:55 PM

15. This is the old Immigrant vs. Nativist theory

When Maria SHRIVER married the a-hole, and all the prole-Dems begged her WHY, she said, "You don't understand, he's not a (Rethug) - he's AN IMMIGRANT!!!!1"

Yeah, immigrants come over here to GET FREE from "socialistic" restrictions, like, (in Mexico) having to KISS ASS for SYNDICATOS/UNIONS bosses who will CONTROL whether you have a job or not.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 10:57 PM

16. You're talking about body fat, right? (nt)

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:06 PM

17. I started with nothing

 

I still have most of it left.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 11:19 PM

19. Like Aristotle Onassis?

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:23 AM

20. And you can start with something and end up with nothing.

Which is much more common, especially if you suffer a major accident or health problem.

Or you simply get old.

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 12:35 AM

21. Perhaps they are immigrants?

My wife's parents are immigrants, came to America with next to nothing in 1980 and have a fantastic life. I have so many friends or in-laws that are immigrants or sons and daughters of immigrants that are making great lives here in America. My best friend is an immigrant's son and he's working on selling his company for $100MM (he owns 10%).

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Response to athenasatanjesus (Original post)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 02:04 AM

22. You can also start with more than anyone could ever use and make even more! How excellent is that!?

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