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Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:46 PM

BREAKING-Judge Revokes Zimmerman's Bond!

Zimmerman back to jail, bond revoked

A judge has revoked George Zimmerman's bond.

In a motion heard in court today, the State Attorney’s Office says Zimmerman had two passports, but only surrendered one, and more money than originally thought.

Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda said George Zimmerman's wife, Shelly, lied to the court. The motion lists transcripts of phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife from jail in which they talked about his passport and financial circumstances.


Link: http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/1/zimmerman_evidence_h.html?cid=rss

I edited my post to use the article from the link which just came up online.

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jenmito Jun 2012 OP
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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:46 PM

1. GOOD!

Jail is where the creep belongs.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:48 PM

2. where he belongs

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:48 PM

3. Good News

he is a liar, a killer and a POS

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:49 PM

4. Anybody who wants to see himself as a superhero and has rage issues

on top of that needs to be off the street.

Judges don't like being lied to. However, I'm sure Zimmerman's lawyer will prevail upon the court to have a "lad from a good family" released in the not to distant future, public safety be damned.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:49 PM

5. How did they find out about the passport?

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:55 PM

10. He talked about it with his wife, and the call was monitored.

This guy's mouth is going to sentence him.

A judge has revoked George Zimmerman's bond.

In a motion heard in court today, the State Attorney’s Office says Zimmerman had two passports, but only surrendered one, and more money than originally thought.
Prosecutor Bernie De La Rionda said George Zimmerman's wife, Shelly, lied to the court. The motion lists transcripts of phone conversations between Zimmerman and his wife from jail in which they talked about his passport and financial circumstances.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:09 PM

25. Good. Ironic that he shoots an unarmed black kid and gains all kinds of support from the

community. But he shoots his mouth off and gets thrown back in the slammer.

Beauty!

As a parent, I've come to HATE the idea of rewarding bad behavior.

Far, far, far too often, we see the bad guys rewarded, their dirty tricks and bad deeds and lies and deceits hailed and reinforced, and not taken to task or punished or otherwise held accountable. Free pass after free pass after free pass. Once in awhile things work the way they're supposed to, though.

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Response to calimary (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:35 PM

37. true true

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Response to calimary (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:38 PM

40. His supporters are whining that poor George is being treated unfairly and horribly

and that his bail being revoked because of some conspiracy. Facts be damned!

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Response to tabatha (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:21 PM

30. It's almost like he subconsciously WANTS to go to jail.

He's done everything wrong, starting with shooting Martin in the first place. It was all for nothing.

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Response to randome (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:26 PM

31. It's almost like he's stupid.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:48 PM

95. "This guy's mouth is going to sentence him." Along with his temperament, his trigger finger,

his ideology and his generally wonky looking self.

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Response to tabatha (Reply #10)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:10 AM

115. This guy really does sound like a total fucking dumbass.

Of course that--and the fact that he's been flipping off the justice system from day one--makes him the Hero of the Teabaggers.

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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:56 PM

14. he spoke with his wife from jail in code.

Must have been really lousy code.

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Response to cali (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:59 PM

20. Oday ouyay illstay avehay ymay extraway assportpay andway allway ethay extraway ashcay?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:20 PM

68. ....

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:35 PM

70. LOLOL!!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:45 PM

106. LOL

Damn, it almost worked!

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:41 AM

110. and another....

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Response to FSogol (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:00 PM

137. This is hilarious!!!!

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:51 PM

6. The schadenfreude is strong with this one! n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:52 PM

8. LOL !!!







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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:52 PM

7. Not jail yet.

George Zimmerman to return for hearing

http://www.wesh.com/news/central-florida/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/Judge-revokes-Zimmerman-s-bond/-/14266478/14427000/-/5jh1ks/-/index.html

Seems having or not having a passport is an important consideration in setting bail. I wonder how this will all shake out.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:58 PM

19. MY link says, "Zimmerman back to jail, bond revoked" n/t

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Response to jenmito (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:03 PM

21. Yes, I see that your link has updated information.

Thanks for that.

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Response to jenmito (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:13 PM

27. On MSNBC just now they said Z will surrender himself within 48 hrs.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:53 PM

9. He needs a new defense attorney

Because the one he has now is about as dumb as a bag of hammers...or he's just incompetent!!!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:56 PM

15. Any lawyer representing Zimmerman is the captain of a sinking ship.

Even the best of the best couldn't pull it off.

Not that Ben Matlock would take this case - he had scruples, after all - but I'm just saying.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:57 PM

16. Why?

Zimmerman probably also lied to him.

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:08 PM

23. +1

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:00 PM

61. Bingo

Wonder if his attorney will drop him like a hot potato after being lied to.....

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Response to MoonRiver (Reply #16)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:31 PM

143. Exactly

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:10 PM

26. Why? Zimmerman probably lied to him, too! n/t

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Response to jenmito (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:19 PM

93. He clearly did as the lawyer took the case pro bono until he heard about the cash

that's when he started billing old George.

So far everything this guy has done has made me think he's a grown up who was once special ed. They even say he was on His ADHD meds and that they make some people obsessive/compulsive. He will have to prove otherwise to me.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #93)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:07 AM

114. His meds make you paranoid too.

Reports say he was on them that night he killed TMartin.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:51 PM

43. You should not lie to your attorney or to the judge or the court.

His lawyer actually has an excellent reputation, he was very lucky to get him. I would not be surprised however, if the lawyer withdraws from the case. It's very difficult to defend a lying client, especially when the lies were told to the judge and you put your reputation on the line succeeding on his behalf without knowing you have been lied.

If he loses this lawyer, it will be his own fault.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:13 PM

66. According to the Sun Sentinel he's adding a new attorney to the team.

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Response to Mugu (Reply #66)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:43 PM

105. Wow, this guy goes through lawyers like Kleenex

Didn't his first two lawyers quit? And they were both doing it pro bono, too.

Zimmerman may use up all of his goodwill before the trial ever starts.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:47 PM

72. Or the defense attourney needs a new client

The article states the judge laid no blame on the attorney, as his client had mislead him. What can an attorney do when a client is actively subverting his own lawyer?

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #72)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:17 AM

117. An attorney is allowed to fire a client

A judge, however, can say they aren't allowed to do that. This happened to Shawn Holley, who fired Lindsay Lohan about two years ago, and had the Court tell her she couldn't, as that would be detrimental to her client, and so Ms. Holley is stuck with her to this day.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #117)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 01:53 PM

139. Interesting

I knew about the first part, but not the second. I was asking what I thought was a rhetorical question, and actually learned something. Thanks.

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Response to quakerboy (Reply #139)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:26 PM

142. You're welcome!

It's surprising what you can learn from celebrity gossip!

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:00 PM

79. As a defense attorney, I disagree with you.

He's a very good attorney.

He's just got a very arrogant client who thinks he knows better.....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #79)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:18 AM

120. And thinks lying to his attorney and the judge is okay



I feel for his attorney. How maddening and how embarrassing.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #9)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:05 AM

113. Actually, Zimmerman never informed his lawyer as to the extra cash or the extra passport.

It wasn't until this was brought up that he was aware of it. Zimmerman has been lying by omission to him as well.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:55 PM

11. Bernie De La Rionda for State Attorney of Seminole County!

Sounds like we got someone who is on the ball.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:56 PM

12. But George Zimmerman can't lie, right?

I mean, the whole "I-was-totally-ambushed-by-a-17-year-old-kid-who-I-had-been-chasing-but-had-gotten-away-and-yet-decided-to-come-back-and-attack-me,-a-strange-man-chasing-him-for-reasons-unknown" thing, that has to be true, too, right?

Right?

( for the oblivious).

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:32 PM

36. This is why he IS going to be found guilty

he HAS to testify to give his account, and once that can of worms (his mouth) is opened, this clown is in a WORLD of trouble.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:37 PM

38. Well, he doesn't *have* to testify.....

.....but good luck proving (and yes, there is a burden of proof on the defendant for the affirmative defense of self-defense) self-defense without going to the stand.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:58 PM

60. Not in Florida ...

That is the problem with the SYG law; the law was written in a manner for the burden of proof to never shift to the person claiming the defense. The party merely asserts the affirmative defense and the prosecution must proof it wasn't self-defense.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.032.html

http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblawg/2012/03/trayvon-martin-and-floridas-stand-your-ground-law.html

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:24 PM

100. What a screwed up provision....

The requirement that a defendant must prove self-defense (notwithstanding the greater burden of the prosecution to prove overall guilt) was not done simply to make things hard for a defendant. (That would be antithetical to the notion of traditional due process.)

Rather, it's because otherwise it forces the prosecution to create a strawman if they are to disprove self-defense. In theory, all the defendant would have to say is that it argues self-defense, but if there's no burden, they don't have to put on any evidence to support that theory. So it would then be up to the prosecution to have to create what they would assume is the defense's theory of self-defense, and then have to disprove their own anti-theory.

It's woefully inefficient and a waste of time and judicial resources.

There's a difference between a regular defense and what is called an affirmative defense. A regular defense is a denial--such as, "I didn't do it....it was the one-armed man."

An affirmative defense, on the other hand, is what I like to call a "Yes, but...." defense. As in, "Yes, I killed him....but it was self defense." Affirmative defenses add new facts and new evidence to the case.

Thus, since it is the defense bringing those new facts and new evidence into the case, naturally you would think it would be their burden to prove their theory with such facts and evidence.

And that would be the case....except, apparently, when the NRA does its bidding....

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:50 AM

135. Not quite. The defendant in this case has already admitted to killing Trayvon and to stalking him.

The burden is on Zimmerman to convince the jury that he broke off his pursuit of Trayvon and that Trayvon then pursued him and proceded to threaten his well-being and life.

Considering just the physical evidence of time and space (without witness testimony), convincing a jury of Zimmerman's need for self defense may not be all that easy.

As for Zimmerman's injuries: an alleged broken nose, two black eyes, and superficial abrasion on the back of the head, reported by his personal doctor the day after the incident, when the ambulance crew cleared him as good to go at the scene -- If I were on the jury (unlikely indeed), I would have a hard time with that.

If, indeed, Zimmerman has not the responsibility to provide a burden of proof that he acted in self-defense only, then this is like any other murder trial. The prosecution has the burden of proof. Zimmerman has only to refute any evidence that the prosecution presents (or not as he choses).

Then the jury decideds whether or not the prosecution proved its case or not.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #135)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:48 PM

141. Nope ...

Read the post immediately preceding yours. It explains where you are incorrect and how this law's design is so problematic.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #141)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 09:52 AM

148. He hasn't be granted SYG status at this point. He claims it, but according to the prosecution,

EVIDENCE and his own statements contradict SYG.

And he still has to convince the jury. Unless the judge grants SYG status on Zimmerman's word alone. And, since Zimmerman has been found to have lied to the Court and the judge, it is less than likely.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #148)

Sun Jun 3, 2012, 12:18 PM

149. I don't think you understand ...

How this law works ... Or you would be making statements like:

He hasn't be granted SYG status at this point


SYG is not something that is "granted", it is something that is raised/asserted.

He still has to convince the jury.


No ... Zimmerman does not have to convince a jury of anything. He merely says ... "I shot him; but it was self defense" and if he had been smart, he would have left it at that and not true to convince anyone of anything.

Unless the judge grants SYG status on Zimmerman's word alone.


Again, the judge does not grant the status ... it is raised/asserted AND yes, that assertion is based on zimmerman's word alone.

I'm beginning to think zimmerman's best defenseive tactic might just be to refuse to take the stand and in closing argument say:

"I know you were expecting to hear my client explain why he decided to get out of his truck to follow Trayvon. Or why George decided continued to look for Trayvon, even after the dispatcher suggested that he don't. But under the law, he doesn't have to do that; he merely has to tell you that he acted in self-defense ... It is then the prosecution's burden to, not only explain what happenned, but PROVE that my client did not act in self-defense. And I caution you, that is the only question to be judged ... not what my client may or may not have done, in the moments or days or even years before, or after he pulled the trigger, on that night."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #149)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:30 AM

150. If this were so, he couldn't have been charged. He has. Now the JURY, unless

it does not go to trial for some reason, will decide.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #150)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 10:34 AM

151. Okay ...

I'm done trying to explain the law to someone that clearly does not know and refuses to listen.

Peace

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #60)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 11:19 PM

147. But now Zimmerman has to make that claim to a judge who already knows

That Zimmerman has lied to the court. I think that Zimmerman's side will have to present more than just a claim that it was self defense and the only thing they really have are Zimmerman's claims. Considering that the Special Prosecutor asserted that his various statements contradicted each other and that the evidence contradicts Zimmerman's statements, Zimmerman's attorneys will have to put up more than just Zimmerman's word.

If Zimmerman goes for SYG immunity it will be under this same judge. Somehow, I think the judge is going to need much more than Zimmerman's word to grant him immunity.

If Zimmerman's defense team tries to change judges, they may run into a problem. One judge already recused herself because her husband works for the attorney who recommended O'Mara to Zimmerman. Another recused himself because of personal ties to O'Mara.

There are only ten circuit judges in Seminole County, so that only leaves seven more to pick from. Considering the small size of the county and how long O'Mara has lived and practiced, there could be more judges that would have to recuse themselves from the case.

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Response to csziggy (Reply #147)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 10:40 AM

152. Again ...

No. Zimmerman will not have put do anything other than assert self-defense and then, as mention before, work to burn down the strawman that this law forces the prosecution to build.

BTW, the is a difference between "immunity from prosecution" and the SYG affirmative defense.

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #36)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:20 AM

121. As Judge Judy says, if you tell the truth

You don;'t have to remember what happened, you know what happened. If you lie, you have to keep remembering what you said.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #121)

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 10:47 AM

153. Zimmerman has lied so much I don't know if he remembers who he is, himself. n/t

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #12)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:11 AM

116. Totally. He even lied at his own bond hearing.

At which point I found everything he has said to be taken with a grain of salt.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:56 PM

13. He was always a flight risk and his actions now prove it.

Wonder if he'll get away before they catch him?

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:57 PM

17. He lied to the judge...maybe more charges will come about. n/t

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 02:57 PM

18. Perjury? Contempt?

They could go after Zimmie's wife.

Can't wait for the frog march.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:06 PM

22. Good news. n/t

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:09 PM

24. If he had two passports, but only surrendered one,

 

then he was thinking he may use the passport he kept. Zimmerman lied on stand too. In the 911 call he said Trayvon was in his late teens. But on stand he said Trayvon was close to his age. Liar.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:16 PM

28. Two passports...

Isn't it illegal to hold two U.S. passports? Here are some snippets for an MSNBC article:

"Prosecutors alleged that Zimmerman, 28, misled the court regarding his finances when $150,000 bail was granted April 20 and accused him of holding a second U.S. passport that he did not surrender to the court. Zimmerman is facing second-degree murder charges in the shooting death of Martin, 17, in February."

and

"Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, conceded there was a second passport, saying, "It's not devious or inappropriate" to have a second passport if first one is lost or stolen. He said the second passport has never been stamped."

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/01/12010484-judge-revokes-bail-for-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-case?lite

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Response to Spazito (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:38 PM

39. He may have anotehr citizenship n/t

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Response to Inuca (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:51 PM

44. That was my first thought but it turns out both are U.S. passports...

supposedly Zimmerman applied for the second one claiming he lost the first one which, obviously he had not, and then only turned in one of them.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:57 PM

45. He could have lost it and then found it after applying for the 2nd

We shouldn't assume a nefarious motive.

Although that's really, really, really, really hard to do with this dirtbag.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:07 PM

47. Why didn't he turn in BOTH then?

He only turned in one and his lawyer knew of both at the time. Even if one were to assume the 'best' re second passport application, not turning it in leads me to lean more toward "nefarious" as opposed to assuming the 'best'.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:08 PM

48. That would be the criminal part

I'm saying the application for the 2nd could have been innocent.

Not turning in the 2nd is (or should be) criminal.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:13 PM

49. It will be interesting to see if further charges result...

from this re both the withholding of the second passport and the funds issue.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:34 PM

69. And why would he be talking to his wife about it??

The whole thing stinks. GZ is a bad, evil man. He needs to go to jail.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #69)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:49 PM

73. Well, his wife may well suffer some consequences for this as well..

the Judge made a point of it in his comments:

"I'm surprised that the State did not file what I thought they were going to file but I assume they can file in the future if they deem it necessary as far as to what actions they are going to proceed against Mrs. Zimmerman in this particular situation because there is no doubt in the court's mind that she's aware of what transpired and what happened."

Link to video with the Judge's comments:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/01/12010484-judge-revokes-bail-for-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-case

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Response to Spazito (Reply #73)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:37 PM

87. Wow.

Of course GZ thought nothing of putting his wife in that position. I almost feel sorry for her.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #87)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:22 PM

108. He's an idiot

With boneheaded hubris. I think everything we've ever found out about this jerk proves it.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:51 PM

74. i hold two passports

and it is not in any way illegal unless they are obtained through or for the purposes of fraud.

sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #74)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:54 PM

75. I'm assuming you are saying you hold two U.S. passports and, if so...

is that a common occurrence? Why would one need two passports?

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Response to Spazito (Reply #75)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:59 PM

77. it is as fairly rare occurrence

with one exception. i frequently travel to Israel and certain countries that would not permit me in with a stamp from Israel and vice versa. but, yes, they are both U.S. passports.

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #77)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:16 PM

81. Ahh, yes, that makes sense...

I was curious after your post and so went 'googling' and saw there are exceptions such as the one you explain in your posts. Thanks for the info, it is appreciated.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #81)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:21 PM

83. anytime...

now, can you help me cut down on the travel I have to do?

thanks,
sP

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #83)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:23 PM

84. LOL, nope, sorry...

I want MORE stamps in my passport not less, lol.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #84)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:02 PM

90. if ever i win the lottery i will have enough money

to NOT travel!

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Response to ProdigalJunkMail (Reply #90)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:10 PM

92. LOL! Never thought of it that way...

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Response to Spazito (Reply #75)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:18 AM

119. See post 118. It's not a common occurence though. n/t

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Response to Spazito (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 11:50 PM

109. most likely dual citizenship with a passport from each to prove citizenship

Some countries maybe like his Columbian mother's offer citizenship to all native "sons" -
you claim citizenship due to your parent's birth in that country

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Response to Spazito (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:17 AM

118. No, it's not illegal.

For instance I will be holding two US passports in a months time. My original passport has been stamped to oblivion and it will cost a difference of $6 to get a new passport than to get extra pages. So in the end I figured it's more cost efficient to get a new passport. The problem is my passport now won't expire until 2015. In effect I will hold 2 passports for a period of 3 years.

It is illegal however to hold both passports when you are supposed to surrender them to the court. I figure you may even have to surrender passport cards as well; since you can use them to fly. He would be seen as a flight risk.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #118)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:44 AM

130. You can't fly with the passport card.

But you could certainly get south of the border on it.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #130)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:29 AM

131. You can.

On a passport card you can fly to some places of the Caribbean, Canada and Mexico. I should know...I checked. In the Caribbean, I believe it's places like Barbados and the Virgin Islands...not Haiti. You can't fly to Europe or just any random country. It's specific places.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #131)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 09:59 AM

132. Correction, the passport card cannot be used for air travel

I just looked it up a couple of months ago, as my mom needs a passport to go to Mexico.

The U.S. Passport Card can be used to enter the United States from Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Bermuda at land border crossings or sea ports-of-entry and is more convenient and less expensive than a passport book. The passport card cannot be used for international travel by air.
http://travel.state.gov/passport/ppt_card/ppt_card_3926.html

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Response to vaberella (Reply #131)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:57 PM

144. It says right on the card that it cannot be used for air travel.

You can use it domestically as an ID for the TSA checkin, but it can't serve as your passport for air travel.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #28)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:25 AM

124. Not if one is from another country

I have several friends and a relative who have dual citizenship.

However, if he knowingly held two US passports...

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:19 PM

29. one lie after another.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:27 PM

32. Thank God, he's back where he belongs!!

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:29 PM

33. Have fun in jail George.......

 

I cannot objectively comment on the situation here but it appears this guy was a wanna-be cop, possessed with a vigilante mentality. So if these facts are true about his passport situation and financial position, he deserves to go back behind bars.

People need to learn that telling the truth when you are under oath means something. I guess this is a lesson the GOP needs to learn as well. Unfortunately that is rarely enforced against them.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:30 PM

34. Freepers not handling it well

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Like Rush Limbaugh just said. “Now we know what social justice looks like.”
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So. The racists are gloating over George spending the next 6-9 months behind bars.
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Probably raise his bond based on the story. Just get the trial over so the riots can start. / sarc
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Kangaroo Court and crooked judge.
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Why would it be any of the prosecution’s or the judge’s concern if Zimmerman had a second passport or misunderestimated by a few dollars that amount of cash he had in his bank account?
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Seems to me this is an outrage. Time for serious prayers for Mr. Zimmerman, as corruption reigns from the bench to the WH to the DOJ.
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If Zimm gets killed in prison, the prosecutors are off the hook.
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Crump and the race baiters are behind this.
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The fix is in. If Zim goes to jail even one more day, politicians should pay. And I mean PAY. Y'all know what I mean.
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Donate to George Zimmerman here:
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Dammit, I wish the guy would’ve fled to Brazil, where he could’ve given Obama and Holder the middle finger.
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Why would he get a second passport? Think he may be concerned about being railroads?
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If I had the DNCmedia trying to lynch me I would also have a backup getaway plan.
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Zimmerman needs to go ahead and use that second passport. If he hasn’t already used it. I would certainly leave the country. He’d better wake up and realize there are too many cowards in this country and they’re afraid not to convict him.
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Why was he under surveillance in the first place? I’d use that second passport in his place.
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how did the authorities obtain recordings of his private phone conversations with his wife?
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That's the 64 thousand dollar question. Sounds like illegal wiretapping to me. Or Crump is lying again. GZ isn't going to get out of this. It has had set up on it from the minute Jesse, Al and Hussein jumped in. I'd have exit plans in the works and the means to leave within a moment's notice.
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But in looking at the cesspool that 'just.us' in this country has become, Z might wisely decide that his interests are best served in Peru, etc.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:47 PM

42. They want him to flee, I hope he does, it'll show what a coward he is.

He could jump a boat to Cuba.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:00 PM

46. Lol, they are so stupid. 'Illegal wiretapping' 'Why was he under surveillance'

how did the authorities obtain recordings of his private phone conversations with his wife?


He was in jail and every moron knows that calls are monitored in jail. For him to even have talked to his wife from jail, raises the question of his own intelligence.

With supporters like these, he doesn't need the enemies they see all around him, in their wild imaginations.


Interesting how their position on illegal wire-tapping has changed since the Bush years.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:14 PM

50. Bwaahaaha

The freeper outrage over the wiretaps made me snort and chuckle a bunch too.

Shoe, meet other foot.

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Response to Myrina (Reply #50)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:28 PM

55. Lol, I know, what happened to 'if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about'?

Poor freepers.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:35 PM

57. "every moron knows that calls are monitored in jail" Apparently not EVERY moron.

Not to go out on a limb here but it appears that Freeper Morons may be the exception.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:36 PM

58. These people are total idiots

and they have the nerve to call us the racist? Their racist hate is so obvious that facts don't even matter. They just see Zimmerman has the poor guy who did everybody a favor.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 10:17 PM

107. Hahaha...that jumped off the page for me too.

They are soooo clueless. They only hear and believe the right wing propaganda. This is a prime example of how brainwashed they really are....they never understood the implications of wiretapping during the *bush and company reign....

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:20 PM

52. Ooh, one of them has a tough guy implied threat.......

"The fix is in. If Zim goes to jail even one more day, politicians should pay. And I mean PAY. Y'all know what I mean."


Wow, he sounds mighty feisty for a nose picking adolescent.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:24 PM

54. "Why would he get a second passport? Think he may be concerned about being railroads?"

I assume he meant "railroaded" but who knows? Maybe it is some kind of Freeper code.

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Response to yellowcanine (Reply #54)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:03 PM

62. He got the second passport years ago. It has nothing to do with this particular case.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #62)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:08 PM

98. No doubt, but with Freepers everything connects to the current situation.

And nothing happens by chance. The Freeper mind cannot handle that kind of serendipity.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:31 PM

56. Another winner of the WTF award.....

But in looking at the cesspool that 'just.us' in this country has become, Z might wisely decide that his interests are best served in Peru, etc.

Peru? Seriously? As in, the country which may be having a revival of the Shining Path movement? http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/3-crafty-brothers-lead-latest-cocaine-funded-incarnation-of-perus-shining-path-rebels/2012/05/29/gJQAJT8IzU_story.html

Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Much safer than in the custody of the U.S. justice system.

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 08:25 PM

97. That is magically schadenfreudelicious! n/t

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:31 PM

35. Oh, I'm sure this won't affect judgment of his credibility at all!

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 03:42 PM

41. I doubt he'll suffer too much in jail

There will be plenty of people with "88" tattoos willing to look after him. He'll be a hero.

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Response to nxylas (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:43 PM

71. Nuh-uh.

That's a white thing.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:14 PM

51. Zimmerman looked a lot like a flight risk. This move can do no real harm to justice.

 

The defense can always appeal the ruling if they don't like it.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:20 PM

53. Those "jail calls" lol. I can't tell you how many "reasonable doubt" defenses I've seen trumped

when the D.A. plays those jail calls for the jury.

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Response to WheelWalker (Reply #53)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:37 PM

102. I think the "jail calls" might also be where they caught him changing his story


Will be interesting to see. Clearly they were aware they were being recorded but when you want that $200,000 it's probably pretty hard not to discuss how to protect it in "code".

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 04:41 PM

59. How can somebody have 2 passports?

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Response to catbyte (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:04 PM

63. He reported the first one stolen in 2004 and got a second one.

Therefore he had two of them, one expiring in 2012 and one expiring in 2014.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #63)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:11 PM

65. HMMM? I Wonder Which One He Turned Over To Authorities?

 

I'd be willing to bet it was the one that expires this year!

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #65)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:21 PM

82. he surrendered the one that had been reported as lost

and kept the new one.

That passport, which expired in May 2012, was the one he turned in to the court during his April bond hearing and his lawyer told the judge it was his only passport.

But prosecutors said that in 2004, Zimmerman reported that passport had been lost or stolen and obtained a new one, which is valid until 2014. While he was held in jail, Zimmerman also discussed the passport with his wife during a phone call that was recorded, the motion said.

He told his wife he thought the passport was in a bag and she replied, "I have one for you in a safety deposit box," the prosecutors said.

"OK, you hold onto that," Zimmerman told her.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/01/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85016H20120601

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Response to pokerfan (Reply #82)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:29 PM

85. Yes and it looks like his lawyer knew about it prior to this breaking...

from an article on MSNBC:

"The state also alleged Zimmerman held a second passport after surrendering one to the court when bail was granted. In revoking bail, Lester said he was not swayed by arguments about the second passport, often routinely obtained by people who lose their passports.


Zimmerman's attorney, Mark O'Mara, said it was his fault the court did not have the second passport earlier."

I wonder why Zimmerman's lawyer did not make sure that second passport was handed in immediately after he found out about it.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #85)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:43 PM

88. Probably Because O'Mara Heard About Passport#2 About The Same Time We Did!

 

I read a quote where O'Mara was making a deal out of the fact that it had not been stamped, I myself think that is more damaging then if it had been used. Fucking Zim was concealing this bad-boy passport for a couple of years.

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Response to HangOnKids (Reply #88)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:09 PM

91. According to CNN, O'Mara stated he had the second passport in his possession...

and "simply forgot to hand it over.....until Friday." Would not a second passport belonging to his client be a big issue, big enough a defence lawyer would not "simply" forget?

Snip from CNN article:


"But Lester appeared to accept the explanation from Zimmerman's lawyer that his client had given him the second passport, and the lawyer simply forgot to hand it over to authorities until Friday."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/01/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html

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Response to Spazito (Reply #91)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:22 PM

94. The Lies Are Flying!

 

It is hard to keep up.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #91)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:37 AM

127. The excuse makes no sense to me whatsoever.n/t

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Response to Spazito (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:35 AM

126. Why would a seasoned attorney make such a mistake?

Is it bad if I think the attorney is lying for this guy? Secondly, I know he didn't know about the money. So I have to wonder why he didn't alert to the passport thing. Not to mention, Zimmerman should have known better despite the fact his attorney didn't follow true. For an attorney to do this, makes me doubt his abilities.

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Response to vaberella (Reply #126)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:54 AM

136. I Think O'Mara Is Lying Too Vab

 

Only a dementia patient would forget they were in possession of a 2nd passport of a 2nd degree murder suspect. A seasoned defense attorney...NOT FRICKIN' HAPPENING. O'Mara is lying, why is the question on my mind. As to Zimmerman knowing better, fuck that, he lies like he breathes. Cowardly scum trash like Zim only care about 1 thing. Themselves.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #59)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:59 PM

78. see post #77

even though i doubt that was his situation...

sP

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:05 PM

64. Nothing speaks innocence like jumping or planning to jump bond! .......

Makes me wonder what terrible crap the Zimmer-Men will come up with to slander Treyvon with next to draw attention away from the real criminal.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:16 PM

67. lot's of stupid people there being led by paid pathological liars

the will to believe the lie was already there... all they need is clever sociopath to feed them with the lies, because they can't think for themselves.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 05:55 PM

76. K&R

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:08 PM

80. Anyone notice his usual defenders are stone, cold silent in this thread?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #80)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:30 AM

125. Yes

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #80)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:39 AM

128. Crossed my mind a few times. n/t

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 06:36 PM

86. Sweet as!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm lovin' it!!

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:02 PM

89. he didn't know his jail phone was tapped????!!

dumb ass.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #89)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:51 PM

96. I wonder what else those conversations revealed? n/t

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Response to ingac70 (Reply #96)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:40 AM

129. That will be interesting. n/t

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:19 PM

99. That is sooooo awesome!

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:32 PM

101. I would think "flight risk" if I were the judge.

An extra passport and extra cash? Seems fishy.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:38 PM

103. Good

Glad that lying murderer will at least serve some time regardless of the trial outcome.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Fri Jun 1, 2012, 09:39 PM

104. No get out of jail free. Now get your ass back to the slammer you freak!

Is he in custody yet?

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 06:58 AM

111. Let him stay in jail forever

If everything goes our way, Zimmerman has been free for the last time.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 07:05 AM

112. hey asshole. . .do not pass go. do not collect $200

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:20 AM

122. Please, Please, Please put Zimmerman into the general prison population

 

I so want justice to be served.

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:23 AM

123. Zimmerman's wife also lied to the court

I know civil law much better than criminal, can msanthro or another criminal attorney on here explain what could happen to Zimmerman's wife? Anything?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #123)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:07 AM

133. The Judge made a point about that in his comments...

I transcribed what he said in court from the video clip on MSNBC as I found it quite interesting:


"I'm surprised that the State did not file what I thought they were going to file but I assume they can file in the future if they deem it necessary as far as to what actions they are going to proceed against Mrs. Zimmerman in this particular situation because there is no doubt in the court's mind that she's aware of what transpired and what happened."

Link to video with the Judge's comments:

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/01/12010484-judge-revokes-bail-for-george-zimmerman-in-trayvon-martin-case

Scroll down the page to the clip with the Judge.

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Response to Spazito (Reply #133)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:11 AM

134. Oh, thank you, Spazito!

Very interesting, I was wondering why she didn't get slapped by the judge.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #134)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:09 PM

138. After hearing the Judge's comments I wonder if the State...

will proceed with charges against her or not. It certainly seems she committed perjury at the very least.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #134)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 08:08 PM

145. On the issue with Mrs. Zimmerman, there's no reason to arrest her right now....

especially when she's proving so useful to the prosecution, will not be able to take the stand in her husband's defense, and can be used as a baragining chip in a plea deal.

I suspect that a plea deal is on the table. If Zim is smart, he's going to take it, and negotiate for non-pros of his wife.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #145)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 10:50 PM

146. Very interesting re: his wife

I agree about the plea deal -- I figured that was why they did the Murder 2 charge.

(not an attorney, I just play one in my mind.)

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Response to jenmito (Original post)

Sat Jun 2, 2012, 02:41 PM

140. He should've never been let out on bond. nt

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