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Wed May 30, 2012, 10:31 PM

Who is watching The Hatfields and The McCoy's Part 3? I didn't realize how violent it was. Being I

am from West Virginia, I didn't realize one of my best friends Lexi McCoy is a relative, she just told me. I know alot of McCoys in Wheeling WV. I didn't know they are direct descendants of them.

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Reply Who is watching The Hatfields and The McCoy's Part 3? I didn't realize how violent it was. Being I (Original post)
ArnoldLayne May 2012 OP
Honeycombe8 May 2012 #1
ellisonz May 2012 #15
Lasher May 2012 #23
ellisonz May 2012 #24
TheCowsCameHome May 2012 #2
ArnoldLayne May 2012 #3
Gidney N Cloyd May 2012 #4
liberalhistorian May 2012 #5
Brickbat May 2012 #6
cynatnite May 2012 #7
proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #11
ArnoldLayne May 2012 #8
Honeycombe8 May 2012 #26
Odin2005 May 2012 #9
proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #10
cynatnite May 2012 #12
proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #17
pinboy3niner May 2012 #28
Lasher May 2012 #13
rug May 2012 #14
proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #16
Lasher May 2012 #21
fishwax May 2012 #19
HiPointDem May 2012 #20
global1 May 2012 #18
Mc Mike May 2012 #22
RZM May 2012 #25
Honeycombe8 May 2012 #27

Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2012, 10:47 PM

1. Give us a hint. On what channel? nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #1)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:44 PM

15. History Channel

Three parts starring Kevin Costner and Bill Paxton. Tonight is the final part, the first two have aired the two preceding nights.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)

Thu May 31, 2012, 01:13 PM

23. You can now watch the entire Hatfield & McCoy miniseries online.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #23)

Thu May 31, 2012, 05:11 PM

24. Nice. n/t

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2012, 10:50 PM

2. Good series.

Part three is just ending.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2012, 10:57 PM

4. HIS channel. Meh. I bailed out 90 mins into episode 1 when the Nazi's showed up.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:02 PM

5. The West was VERY VERY violent.

I know a lot of its true history isn't really taught in either schools or colleges, but, before things settled down and it developed an infrastructure of law and order, it was the epitome of violence. And not just because they were going about the work of systematic genocide against Indians, either, although that was a part of it. It really was every man/family for themselves for quite awhile. That was both part of its appeal and one of its greatest drawbacks.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #5)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:03 PM

6. You should watch the series.

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Response to liberalhistorian (Reply #5)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:07 PM

7. I've often wondered at the true level of violence in the Old West and it compares to today. n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #7)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:14 PM

11. Well I know Dodge City wasn't as violent as it's been depicted in the movies and on TV

My dad grew up in western Kansas and his family used to talk about how the history of Dodge City had been blown way out of proportion.

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Thu May 31, 2012, 11:34 PM

26. The Hatfields & McCoys weren't in the west. They were in W. VA, KY...

or thereabouts. In the east.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:12 PM

9. A lot of Appalachian folks are of Highland Scottish background.

And most of those are "Scots-Irish", Highland Scots who were settled in Northern Ireland by James I. these kinds of feuds are basically Celtic clan skirmishing transplanted overseas. Jim Webb wrote an excellent book on the Scots-Irish called Born Fighting, it's a must-read.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:12 PM

10. I thought it was great

The Hatfields started it. They were the affluent well connected family. The McCoys were poor.

A lot of comparisons to the social battles we wage today.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:22 PM

12. I recorded it. Saving it for when the husband comes home next.n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #12)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:50 PM

17. SPOILER ALERT

A bunch of people die.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #17)

Thu May 31, 2012, 11:40 PM

28. Durn, I knew I shouldn't have clicked

Now you've ruined it fer me. RUUUIIIINNNNED IT!1!!

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:38 PM

13. The McCoys were all Republicans.

All of the Hatfields were Democrats.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #13)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:42 PM

14. At the end of the Civil War.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #13)

Wed May 30, 2012, 11:49 PM

16. Back then, the republicans were the good guys

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #16)

Thu May 31, 2012, 07:43 AM

21. Well that is a good point if you want to get technical on me.

But I don't think many good guys owned slaves.

Asa Harmon McCoy was discharged from the Union army because he had a broken leg. He was probably wearing his Union uniform when he returned home to an area where Confederate support was still widespread. Despite the 1863 Emancipation Proclamation, he owned at least one slave when he was killed on January 7, 1865.

The Civil War did not end until April 9, 1865 - after Asa was killed by the Logan Wildcats. The Wildcats were a militia unit that operated in conjunction with the Confederate Army. And so, they were not just a gang of vigilantes - anymore than the CSA was.

And so, did the Hatfields start the feud by murdering Asa McCoy, or was he killed by a Confederate militia as a Union combatant or spy?

Heavy nuance, huh? About the only thing I can say for certain about the feud is that there really is a statue of Devil Anse at his grave. I have seen it with my own eyes.

Anyway, I thought the mini-series was well done and I enjoyed every minute of it.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Thu May 31, 2012, 01:19 AM

19. It's true that the Hatfields were more affluent, but that doesn't really tell the whole story

Anse Hatfield was more successful in timber than Randolph McCoy (who also had made an attempt at making money logging, but without as much success), but the McCoys were not exactly poor, and were allied with outside interest seeking to develop (and profit from) the region's resources. The McCoy side was backed by wealthy interests in Pikeville who were interested in bringing further development into the area and saw Hatfield as an obstacle to that.

Particularly important for the McCoy side in this regard was Perry Cline, who (as the miniseries showed) had had a personal/legal dispute with Hatfield over the ownership of a large parcel of land. Cline financial and political connections and was connected to the McCoys through his sister, who married the McCoy brother who fought for the union and was killed by Confederate guerillas. In 1887, Cline promised to deliver the McCoy vote to gubernatorial candidate Simon Bolivar Buckner in exchange for state help in crushing the Hatfields.

Hatfield descendants remained active in West Virginia politics for a while. One of Anse's nephews was governor and U.S. senator--he was a Republican, but of course those were different times and so being a republican in the south meant something very different than it does now. His administration was big on organized labor and worker's rights. Another of Anse's nephews (grand nephews) was the police chief of Matewan, Kentucky, and gave his life after fighting for the rights of the UMWA in the unrest that town is famous for. He was killed by industry hired thugs. If you've seen the John Sayles film Matewan, David Strathairn played Sid Hatfield. (If you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.)

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Thu May 31, 2012, 01:30 AM

20. The McCoys got richer and the Hatfields got poorer. McCoys allied themselves with

 

outside business interests. Last part of the "feud" wasn't even led by McCoys, it was led by another guy and his out-of-state buddies trying to get Hatfields' land, and they did.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2012, 12:40 AM

18. Very Violent Series - Vigilanti Justice......

and given the climate in Americia today with the Stand Your Ground laws - I'm afraid what some people will take out of this series. Seems like one of the sponsors of the series should have been the NRA. Yes - it was that violent. Lot of killing going on between the Hatfield's and McCoy's.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2012, 09:14 AM

22. Massey Energy's Blankenship is a McCoy,

but you can't pick your relatives like you pick your friends.

Loved Sid Hatfield in Bloody Mingo.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2012, 05:14 PM

25. I know a Hatfield who is descended from this bunch

 

He's from Eastern Kentucky and he's a good guy.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Thu May 31, 2012, 11:37 PM

27. The PBS show on the feud is the best. Fascinating story, how out of hand things got. nt

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