Tue May 29, 2012, 11:36 AM

MadHound (34,179 posts)

Well hey, at least he isn't torturing people like Bush did.

Nope, instead he is assassinating them instead, men, women, young, old, American citizens or otherwise.

"It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret “nominations” process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical. He had vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the chart, introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order, underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be."
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?_r=1

Now really, would we have tolerated such an assassination list under Bush? No, we wouldn't, we would, justifiably be screaming to the high heavens. So why do we tolerate it from Obama? Because he is "our guy". If that is the case, I can't go there with you, I cannot condone a president who personally decides who lives or who dies, be they American or Yemen, or from somewhere else. There was a time when decent people would condemn such an outrage as UnAmerican, and they would be in the right. Americans don't torture, nor do they assassinate, shooting down people like dogs in the street. Yet this is exactly what this administration has done. What's next, an assassination list for Americans in this country?

Oh, and about that whole not torturing people, well, it looks like I might be wrong about that.

But hey, it's all good right, torture, assassination, as long as it's a Dem doing these things.

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Well hey, at least he isn't torturing people like Bush did. (Original post)	MadHound	May 2012	OP
Does he take requests?	Scurrilous	May 2012	#1
I've got a few for the list ...	Bake	May 2012	#59
What, would you rather American soldiers get killed trying to kill civilians???	Zalatix	May 2012	#2
Being "tough on terra" is important in an election year.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2012	#3
Yeah, except apparently this started in 2010,	MadHound	May 2012	#4
To politicians, every year is election year and every day is a campaign.	Tierra_y_Libertad	May 2012	#49
"To politicians, every year is election year and every day is a campaign."	CrispyQ	May 2012	#61
As long as the holy men of the High Church of Redemptive Violence are happy	gratuitous	May 2012	#5
Shut your insolent mouth! You yet draw breath against his mercies, and don't forget it!	Poll_Blind	May 2012	#6
What ever happened to Mullah Omar?	PufPuf23	May 2012	#7
you're sure gonna be upset when he gets another 4 years. enjoy.	dionysus	May 2012	#8
So I take it you approve of assassinations, torture, and kill lists,	MadHound	May 2012	#10
So I take it you don't want Obama re-elected...nt	SidDithers	May 2012	#22
Why do you hate America? nt	sudopod	May 2012	#24
Because he is a Canadian with a bizarre hobby	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2012	#116
Nailed IT!!!	bvar22	May 2012	#157
...	SidDithers	May 2012	#170
This is the part where I mention I'll be here all week, and then implore you to tip your server	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2012	#185
Yes, you are.	laundry_queen	May 2012	#213
I take it you can't differentiate between drone warfare and a political campaign.	rug	May 2012	#39
...	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#133
Amazing...or maybe not...that they can't tell a grasshopper from a cricket (nt)	Mairead	May 2012	#214
So you'll be happy under...	Aviation Pro	May 2012	#35
"Walking wad of fucking asscrack" - you're going to owe me a new monitor if you	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#138
no, it's just that i've seen the same OP a million times by now.	dionysus	May 2012	#166
Actually this is the first time I've posted on this subject	MadHound	May 2012	#167
You better believe it....nt	msanthrope	May 2012	#201
Assassinations aren't so bad.	noamnety	May 2012	#210
Glad you find this all so humorous!	Wind Dancer	May 2012	#197
I hope I don't regret saying this.	Gregorian	May 2012	#9
both candidates are the same on this issue	scheming daemons	May 2012	#11
Are you equating Obama with Romney on this issue?	rug	May 2012	#12
on this issue, yes	scheming daemons	May 2012	#21
It doesn't take the issue off the table because it remains a murderous issue.	rug	May 2012	#23
it means that this issue won't differentiate the candidates	scheming daemons	May 2012	#26
I'm more interested in war policy than differentiating candidates.	rug	May 2012	#28
HOW DARE YOU WANT REAL CHANGE!	MadHound	May 2012	#30
what do you propose?	scheming daemons	May 2012	#33
I propose discussing this policy in the open, election or no election.	rug	May 2012	#36
um.. my replay was to MadHound, as is clearly shown.	scheming daemons	May 2012	#54
I'm such a churl.	rug	May 2012	#37
Isn't that kind of like saying, "At least the trains run on time"?	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#29
Ooo, what a choice,	MadHound	May 2012	#13
after he is reelected, I'll focus my efforts on the next primary season	scheming daemons	May 2012	#18
Ah yes, work for the next election,	MadHound	May 2012	#25
this is the system we have	scheming daemons	May 2012	#32
You know, Romney offends my moral being at a really	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#141
Did you hash it out this primary season?	Nuclear Unicorn	May 2012	#91
The TeaBagger Party members are backing Norquist's Empty-Suit with working digits.	BlueCaliDem	May 2012	#140
+100	Myrina	May 2012	#19
What the HELL is the matter with you, MadHound??!!!	bvar22	May 2012	#240
Hillary would simply nuke em.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#14
We all know that? Well, that's news to me.	MadHound	May 2012	#16
I know you were upset about Florida in the primary screwing Hillary	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#20
Really?	MadHound	May 2012	#27
Are you from Florida?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#34
No,	MadHound	May 2012	#80
Maybe I have the wrong name.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#84
What, like your second post downthread claiming that I supported Hillary?	MadHound	May 2012	#87
Are you from Florida?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#41
There is this whole other site dedicated to CDS.	NCTraveler	May 2012	#51
Bias	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#52
Please post some links to back up YOUR claim.	NCTraveler	May 2012	#70
I point to you and your avatar	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#72
What does my avatar have to do with MadHounds op?	NCTraveler	May 2012	#134
It has everything to do with you	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#137
I was a Kucinich backer too and switched to Obama b/c Obama at least spoke out against Operation	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#144
And what did Kucinich do?	MadHound	May 2012	#150
Yeah, I hear you. Kucinich was ridiculed and marginalized and he	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#156
Silly MadHound, they aren't children, they are 'terrorists disguised as children' - n/t	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#15
+1	KoKo	May 2012	#42
Why do you support Romney!!!	Odin2005	May 2012	#17
Also made the list.....	DeSwiss	May 2012	#31
Yep	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#38
Not the same guy.	morningfog	May 2012	#65
No, he was not a target. He was collateral.	Muskypundit	May 2012	#77
Another terrorist disguised as a child - n/t	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#146
Terrorism does appear to be a real threat, just how great a threat is hard to know.	JDPriestly	May 2012	#40
+1	KoKo	May 2012	#44
The British called the Irgun Zwai Lum in Palestine'terrorists' back in the early 40s. N.B.: Menachem	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#149
Speaking of a 'small circle of people,' did you notice who is sitting in the	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#153
Hundreds of civilians have been killed among the likely thousands ordered killed	morningfog	May 2012	#43
Terrorist mean anything?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#45
That's excatly what the Republicans said about Bush.	white_wolf	May 2012	#48
Which of those "TERRORIST" assassinated had carried out attacks in the US?	morningfog	May 2012	#56
Thanks to Obama	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#62
So, we are killing potential, possibly one day attackers?	morningfog	May 2012	#64
Death to all terrorist	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#75
I can see you are not at all interested in any kind of serious discussion.	morningfog	May 2012	#79
Including Nelson Mandela? Ronald Reagan called the ANC 'terorrists' back in	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#158
terra, Terra, TERRA	MadHound	May 2012	#81
lisa, i want to buy your rock	frylock	May 2012	#225
By the way	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#46
That excuses killing civilians?	morningfog	May 2012	#57
Of course it excuses killing civilians.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#60
That's ridiculous. Your math is a fallacy.	morningfog	May 2012	#63
Kill one and create 50 terrorist?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#66
You sound like a RWer!	morningfog	May 2012	#68
And I think you are a right winger.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#73
Shew, nasty!	morningfog	May 2012	#76
What slogan?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#78
Well even Democrats can be right-wingers. You certainly seem to be one of them.	white_wolf	May 2012	#82
You clearly support extra-judicial executions, whether you are	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#159
Life Long Dem(agouger).	morningfog	May 2012	#211
Got anything to back that up with?	MadHound	May 2012	#83
have a cite for that stat..	frylock	May 2012	#226
Obama now has almost as much blood dripping from his hands as Hillary did\does for Operation	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#154
Lets bash Obama because I'm a Hillayrette	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#47
Prove that claim.	white_wolf	May 2012	#50
They don't answer my question either.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#53
What question? The one about them being from Florida?	white_wolf	May 2012	#55
Because I have a memory of a Madhound going crazy over screwing Hillary	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#58
And Madhound denies it.	white_wolf	May 2012	#69
I hate to be wrong	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#88
Wow. I think I just lost a few IQ points by reading this post.	white_wolf	May 2012	#95
Insults?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#101
I'll attack anyone who thinks killing the innocent is a good thing.	white_wolf	May 2012	#102
300 to 1	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#103
Do you have any studies to back that up?	white_wolf	May 2012	#106
True but that's how the system works	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#113
Yahoo Answers is hardly the most reputable source.	white_wolf	May 2012	#121
Just saying.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#122
Okay, let's ignore the ethical and look at the pratical.	white_wolf	May 2012	#126
He would also know he is next to go	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#127
You still haven't solved the problem.	white_wolf	May 2012	#130
You didn't just say "kill no terrorist" did you?	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#132
Well, we've been killing terrorists for over a decade now, so why are there, according to you, so	sabrina 1	May 2012	#136
Of course we need to keep killing terrorist.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#142
What is a 'terrorist'?	sabrina 1	May 2012	#196
my estimate is you don't appear to know fuckall..	frylock	May 2012	#228
Link? You keep posting that statistic.	morningfog	May 2012	#107
Yeah, and about twenty years ago kids at preschools across the land had a "memory"	MadHound	May 2012	#92
Gee thanks.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#98
300 to 1!	frylock	May 2012	#229
You keep making that claim, yet can't back it up	MadHound	May 2012	#85
Don't bother. I already proved they were full of shit.	white_wolf	May 2012	#89
Life Long Dem should face serious censure from this	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#160
Oh, that's OK,	MadHound	May 2012	#163
Well, it's the [i]ad hominem[/i] slander I find so acutely	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#164
RW spamming is a TOS violation	Occulus	May 2012	#192
it already admitted pulling that "fact" out of it's ass..	frylock	May 2012	#230
I wonder if all the POWs and KIA and MIA from America's wars fought for this.	grasswire	May 2012	#67
We can tolerate this by killing all terrorist!	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#71
What is your first/native language?	harmonicon	May 2012	#94
It's easy to avoid a subject and pick on them instead.	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#120
As can be seen here.	NCTraveler	May 2012	#139
Are you drunk? That would explain many of your posts on this thread.	Comrade Grumpy	May 2012	#175
All the stills in Kentucky don't explain that one. n/t	Catherina	May 2012	#180
As a proud drunk, I resemble that remark.	harmonicon	May 2012	#199
Death to all terrorist!	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#181
No, seriously, what is your native language?	harmonicon	May 2012	#200
Would you please take some time off from slandering respected DUers	Catherina	May 2012	#179
Death to all terrorists!	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#184
No, but at least it's very slightly less embarrassing for you. n/t	Catherina	May 2012	#187
Whatever	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#188
To all of those that defend these policies, does this no longer apply?	bighart	May 2012	#74
It's certainly a legitimate issue to debate and discuss	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#86
I think we have to take an honest look at who is threatened and why.	morningfog	May 2012	#96
What did we do for the first two hundred years?	EFerrari	May 2012	#97
We haven't dealt with worldwide terrorism by stateless actors for 200 years	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#143
Oh, please. There is nothing new about people plotting violence	EFerrari	May 2012	#145
I suggest that you back and check your history	MadHound	May 2012	#148
terrorism, yes	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#183
Ah so terrorism around the world	MadHound	May 2012	#191
"not on a worldwide scale like what we have today"	Mairead	May 2012	#216
My comments were more specific to Al-Queda	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#231
"they HAVE conducted terrorist attacks all over the world"	Mairead	May 2012	#233
Um, we had to deal with the Barbary Coast Pirates during the early years of this	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#161
and how were they dealt with?	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#182
Actually, I now think my invocation of the Barbary Coast pirates	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#221
Yes, we can't just lie sitting ducks for terrorist attacks	treestar	May 2012	#174
terrorism is real to be sure	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#186
WHAT terrorist attacks?	Mairead	May 2012	#234
there are real terrorists	treestar	May 2012	#236
Surely you're not serious!	Mairead	May 2012	#238
Well hey, at least he doesn't have a whole country on a kill list.	SunSeeker	May 2012	#90
What happened to law?	harmonicon	May 2012	#99
In an ideal world, but we don't have an ideal world.	SunSeeker	May 2012	#176
We can never have an ideal world if we constantly sacrifice our ideals. (nt)	harmonicon	May 2012	#198
"It's no different than cops picking off a sniper shooting at people."	morningfog	May 2012	#100
They were plotting imminent attacks against us.	SunSeeker	May 2012	#177
You are conflating a variety of people.	morningfog	May 2012	#212
Except that some of the "confirmed terrorist targets" haven't turned out to be terrorists	MadHound	May 2012	#104
Not just any old innocents either, but children, for God's sake. Correction:	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#162
We can't be paralyzed by actions that go wrong.	SunSeeker	May 2012	#172
How many American citizens should have been killed to stop the World Trade Center attacks?	harmonicon	May 2012	#204
He is?	MadHound	May 2012	#215
Yep, just the other day I had to go into the bunker to avoid the drone buzzing my house.	Arkana	May 2012	#93
What, you live in Yemen?	MadHound	May 2012	#105
Perhap it was "What's next, an assassination list for Americans in this country?"	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#108
Don't forget "I cannot condone a president who personally decides who lives or who dies."	Robb	May 2012	#109
Oh yes	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#135
Yemen, Pakistan, Afghanistan.	morningfog	May 2012	#110
This message was self-deleted by its author	SunsetDreams	May 2012	#118
Prefer drone attacks over invading a nation...	soccer1	May 2012	#111
Those are not the only options available.	morningfog	May 2012	#112
What other realistic options are available?	soccer1	May 2012	#114
Disengagement. Good intelligence and police work.	morningfog	May 2012	#115
While the resources for this are being establshed do nothing? TIA for honest answer	uponit7771	May 2012	#119
True, however....	soccer1	May 2012	#123
Cilvians are terrorist	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#125
"Civilians are terrorists"	white_wolf	May 2012	#128
Is there some kind of evidence	Proud Liberal Dem	May 2012	#189
And how do we know it's not all propaganda like this piece	Life Long Dem	May 2012	#190
There have been extensive reports on the high death rates of civilians.	morningfog	May 2012	#203
"s"!!!!	harmonicon	May 2012	#206
Shh!! Quit it with your simple, sane, reasoned argument!! (nt)	harmonicon	May 2012	#205
Under Bush, force feeding was used at Gitmo. Under Obama, is this now different?	AnotherMcIntosh	May 2012	#117
Anorexic patients are force fed to keep them alive....	soccer1	May 2012	#124
Wow, that's weak,	MadHound	May 2012	#129
Why is it weak?	soccer1	May 2012	#131
Comparing force feeding used as torture to force feeding an anorexic	MadHound	May 2012	#152
Okay....	soccer1	May 2012	#155
Tell you what, can we stick a four inch tube down your throat,	MadHound	May 2012	#165
Well, enlighten me!	soccer1	May 2012	#168
I just did,	MadHound	May 2012	#169
It's not a matter of believing you......	soccer1	May 2012	#171
+1 nt	SunSeeker	May 2012	#178
Well, we haven't read about a lot of Gitmo procedures,	MadHound	May 2012	#193
Bobby Sands was going to be the prettiest girl in school, no matter what!! (nt)	harmonicon	May 2012	#207
Restoring America's Honor:	bvar22	May 2012	#147
Hey now	Broderick	May 2012	#151
Well, at least he isn't jamming Guantanamo full of more people to disappear. n/t	Bolo Boffin	May 2012	#173
What happened to Hillary to make you dust off this one?	great white snark	May 2012	#194
What does Hillary have to do with my OP	MadHound	May 2012	#195
!	dionysus	May 2012	#202
Oh, don't start that crap again. I've already disproven this claim.	white_wolf	May 2012	#208
Kick	bighart	May 2012	#209
The assassinations program is one of the saddest parts of this mess.	BlueIris	May 2012	#217
The more I think about this the more Orwellian it all seems.	bighart	May 2012	#218
I thought that awarding Obama the Nobel Peace prize was bizarre to begin with	MadHound	May 2012	#219
Actually the killing by drone has not only been as effective as the previous administration,	bighart	May 2012	#220
"How old are these people?" he asked	bupkus	May 2012	#222
Doesn't seem	ProSense	May 2012	#223
Umm, instead of drone attacks and torture, why not try acting like	MadHound	May 2012	#224
This place needs more posts like this	stupidicus	May 2012	#227
My first thought is that I prefer this approach	ecstatic	May 2012	#232
While you're thinking,	Mairead	May 2012	#235
Don't get me wrong	ecstatic	May 2012	#239
I count myself agnostic on 9/11. I would say that there is evidence that the 9/11	coalition_unwilling	May 2012	#241
It bothers me too, in some cases.	Bucky	May 2012	#237

Response to MadHound (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 11:41 AM

Scurrilous (24,656 posts)

Well hey, at least he isn't torturing people like Bush did.

1. Does he take requests?

59. I've got a few for the list ...

2. What, would you rather American soldiers get killed trying to kill civilians???

3. Being "tough on terra" is important in an election year.

4. Yeah, except apparently this started in 2010,

49. To politicians, every year is election year and every day is a campaign.

61. "To politicians, every year is election year and every day is a campaign."

5. As long as the holy men of the High Church of Redemptive Violence are happy

6. Shut your insolent mouth! You yet draw breath against his mercies, and don't forget it!

7. What ever happened to Mullah Omar?

8. you're sure gonna be upset when he gets another 4 years. enjoy.

10. So I take it you approve of assassinations, torture, and kill lists,

22. So I take it you don't want Obama re-elected...nt

24. Why do you hate America? nt

116. Because he is a Canadian with a bizarre hobby

157. Nailed IT!!!

170. ...

185. This is the part where I mention I'll be here all week, and then implore you to tip your server

213. Yes, you are.

39. I take it you can't differentiate between drone warfare and a political campaign.

133. ...

214. Amazing...or maybe not...that they can't tell a grasshopper from a cricket (nt)

35. So you'll be happy under...

138. "Walking wad of fucking asscrack" - you're going to owe me a new monitor if you

166. no, it's just that i've seen the same OP a million times by now.

167. Actually this is the first time I've posted on this subject

201. You better believe it....nt

210. Assassinations aren't so bad.

197. Glad you find this all so humorous!

9. I hope I don't regret saying this.

11. both candidates are the same on this issue

12. Are you equating Obama with Romney on this issue?

21. on this issue, yes

23. It doesn't take the issue off the table because it remains a murderous issue.

26. it means that this issue won't differentiate the candidates

28. I'm more interested in war policy than differentiating candidates.

30. HOW DARE YOU WANT REAL CHANGE!

33. what do you propose?

36. I propose discussing this policy in the open, election or no election.

54. um.. my replay was to MadHound, as is clearly shown.

37. I'm such a churl.

29. Isn't that kind of like saying, "At least the trains run on time"?

13. Ooo, what a choice,

18. after he is reelected, I'll focus my efforts on the next primary season

25. Ah yes, work for the next election,

32. this is the system we have

141. You know, Romney offends my moral being at a really

91. Did you hash it out this primary season?

140. The TeaBagger Party members are backing Norquist's Empty-Suit with working digits.

19. +100

240. What the HELL is the matter with you, MadHound??!!!

14. Hillary would simply nuke em.

16. We all know that? Well, that's news to me.

20. I know you were upset about Florida in the primary screwing Hillary

27. Really?

34. Are you from Florida?

80. No,

84. Maybe I have the wrong name.

87. What, like your second post downthread claiming that I supported Hillary?

41. Are you from Florida?

51. There is this whole other site dedicated to CDS.

52. Bias

70. Please post some links to back up YOUR claim.

72. I point to you and your avatar

134. What does my avatar have to do with MadHounds op?

137. It has everything to do with you

144. I was a Kucinich backer too and switched to Obama b/c Obama at least spoke out against Operation

150. And what did Kucinich do?

156. Yeah, I hear you. Kucinich was ridiculed and marginalized and he

15. Silly MadHound, they aren't children, they are 'terrorists disguised as children' - n/t

42. +1

17. Why do you support Romney!!!

31. Also made the list.....

38. Yep

65. Not the same guy.

77. No, he was not a target. He was collateral.

146. Another terrorist disguised as a child - n/t

40. Terrorism does appear to be a real threat, just how great a threat is hard to know.

44. +1