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Mon May 28, 2012, 10:09 PM

The Hatfield and The McCoys 3 Part Mini Series on right now on The History Channel!

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Reply The Hatfield and The McCoys 3 Part Mini Series on right now on The History Channel! (Original post)
ArnoldLayne May 2012 OP
Tom_Foolery May 2012 #1
lookingfortruth May 2012 #2
LiberalAndProud May 2012 #3
lookingfortruth May 2012 #4
LiberalAndProud May 2012 #5
Comrade_McKenzie May 2012 #6
Trajan May 2012 #8
trumad May 2012 #20
Trajan May 2012 #22
ArnoldLayne May 2012 #7
GeorgeGist May 2012 #19
Marrah_G May 2012 #9
ArnoldLayne May 2012 #10
tularetom May 2012 #11
Samantha May 2012 #13
lpbk2713 May 2012 #23
Samantha May 2012 #25
zappaman May 2012 #15
fortyfeetunder May 2012 #12
HiPointDem May 2012 #14
HiPointDem May 2012 #16
LiberalAndProud May 2012 #17
HiPointDem May 2012 #18
lanlady May 2012 #21
LiberalAndProud May 2012 #24

Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:17 PM

1. Watching it. Pretty good so far. n/t

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:18 PM

2. I know a McCoy member. He explained to me one time that anyone with the Name hatfield or McCoy are

 

decendents of those two families.

How is the mini-series? Is it more Drama hollywood style or is it more facts?

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Response to lookingfortruth (Reply #2)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:21 PM

3. Now that's really interesting!

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #3)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:29 PM

4. Now I can't speak for the 24th century McCoys but that was what I was told by the McCoy I know.

 

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Response to lookingfortruth (Reply #4)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:33 PM

5. Logically,

the good doctor will be able to trace his lineage right back to the original McCoys. That's so cool.

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Response to lookingfortruth (Reply #2)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:35 PM

6. My great grandmother was a Hatfield. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #6)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:46 PM

8. My grandmother was a Hatfield

Small world ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #8)

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:51 AM

20. My Grandfather wa a McCoy

Fuck you!



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Response to trumad (Reply #20)

Tue May 29, 2012, 03:48 PM

22. Ah ... There you are ....

I know I would find you McCoy's hangin round these here parts ! ....

Now ... where is my blunderbuss ? ....

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Response to lookingfortruth (Reply #2)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:37 PM

7. Well then I guess it's a 3 Part Series, What the hell is the difference?

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Response to lookingfortruth (Reply #2)

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:18 AM

19. Oh horseshit.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Mon May 28, 2012, 10:50 PM

9. I had a teacher who did his first few years out of college teaching in that district.

I'm sure he had some interesting tales that he couldn't share with us (he was an elementary school teacher). He did still have the paddle from those days sitting on the chalk board.... but in the blue state of Mass corp punishment had long gone the way of the dinosaurs. He was the most colorful teacher I ever had.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Mon May 28, 2012, 11:16 PM

10. Well anymore comments..I'm waiting?

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Reply #10)

Mon May 28, 2012, 11:46 PM

11. They made it look too much like a western

The music, the saloon scenes, the whole whole thing just reminded me of a stereotypical Hollywood cowboy film.

Maybe it'll get better but so far, not impressed.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #11)

Tue May 29, 2012, 12:53 AM

13. I didn't care for it and turned it off after an hour

The violence was too horrendous, and for some reason, I thought the sound quality was really lacking. Often I just not understand some of the dialog. I really wanted to like this series. I too am disappointed.

Sam

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Response to Samantha (Reply #13)

Tue May 29, 2012, 04:11 PM

23. Thanks, I thought it was me.




I missed most of the dialog as well. Turning up the volume didn't help.
In some parts it sounded to me like they had a pillow over their mouths.


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Response to lpbk2713 (Reply #23)

Tue May 29, 2012, 05:24 PM

25. Yes, the dialog was very muddled

Thanks for letting me know you had problems as well!

Sam

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Reply #10)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:03 AM

15. Have you seen ANGER MANAGEMENT?

Seems like it's up your alley.

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 12:14 AM

12. Wow, 19th century gangs!

After reading today's news about gang warfare, this series is like going back in the future...

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 12:58 AM

14. on edit: hmm, i may have to revise my opinion....

 

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 01:05 AM

16. This article says that Historian Altina L. Waller, author of Feud: Hatfields, McCoys, and

 

Social Change in Appalachia was interviewed extensively for the accompanying documentary to the mini-series.

In Feud, Waller tells the real story of the Hatfields and McCoys and the Tug Valley... placing the feud in the context of community and regional change in the era of industrialization.

Waller argues that the legendary feud was not an outgrowth of an inherently violent mountain culture but rather one manifestation of a contest for social and economic control between local people and outside industrial capitalists—the Hatfields were defending community autonomy while the McCoys were allied with the forces of industrial capitalism...


http://uncpressblog.com/

Did any of this make it into the miniseries? I'd be interested in watching it, if so.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #16)

Tue May 29, 2012, 05:15 AM

17. So, the Hatfields lost then?

That really is a fascinating context. I think I'll be doing some reading with that view in mind.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #17)

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:04 AM

18. yeah, but not exactly against the mccoys.

 

Waller exposes the social conflicts within the Tug Valley. For instance, she finds that Anderson Hatfield, former Confederate and leader of the Tug Valley home guard, began to threaten traditional ways when he entered the timber business. People considered that enterprise "risky, speculative, and conducive to dishonesty," and a challenge to the value system and way of life. "Devil" Anse forged an economic niche for himself and his family while he alienated many of his neighbors. He used the legal system to acquire timber land, thus making enemies of such men as Perry Cline from whom he won thousands of acres in a law suit. Later, in the second phase of the feud, the cantankerous Ranel McCoy no longer led the attack on the Hatfields. The vengeful foe was none other than Cline and his new powerful allies.

Cline's personal vendetta against Hatfield could only be successfully waged during the second phase of the feud when he could ally with Pikeville merchants, who sought outside investors and catered to the timber and coal interests, and the governor of Kentucky who planned to attract capitalists to the eastern mountain country. In fact, Waller argues, "Cline and the governor literally recreated the feud in order to suppress it." By doing so, Kentucky would be seen as a strong law and order state that could suppress the violent tendencies of its inhabitants and thereby attract capitalists.

http://beck.library.emory.edu/southernchanges/article.php?id=sc12-4_005

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Response to ArnoldLayne (Original post)

Tue May 29, 2012, 06:52 AM

21. it's the un-Downton Abbey

Apart from some of the female characters who are wearing makeup that would do Estee Lauder proud, it looks like the series makers strived for authenticity -- the tattered clothing, the unadorned shacks, the unwashed bodies. Problem is, in this drab and colorless world, you need a good yarn to tell to maintain people's interest. As we all know the H & Mc feud was all about two families shooting at one another over the span of 40-50 years, with a Romeo and Juliet story thrown in to sex things up. And although I watched the first 90 minutes of it before going to bed and leaving my TiVO to do the rest, I'm not certain I want to keep watching. Shoot, reload, repeat. This is already starting to get old. And it's only 1880--Cap Hatfield is still a young man!

Plus, I've always found Kevin Costner's acting method to be a bit odd. Between the mumbling and the Appalachian accent, he is hard to understand. Bill Paxton as McCoy is the much stronger character of the two.

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Response to lanlady (Reply #21)

Tue May 29, 2012, 04:14 PM

24. Kevin Costner portrays Cap Hatfield?

That earns an unrec from me. I'm as susceptible to schlock as the least resistant romanticist. I liked Bull Durham and Dances With Wolves, but I liked them in spite of Costner. He's not a draw.

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