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America has just lived through another presidential campaign week dominated by Donald Trumps racist lies.
The Opinion Pages | EDITORIAL
Mr. Trumps Applause Lies
By THE EDITORIAL BOARD
NOV. 24, 2015
America has just lived through another presidential campaign week dominated by Donald Trumps racist lies. Heres a partial list of false statements: The United States is about to take in 250,000 Syrian refugees; African-Americans are responsible for most white homicides; and during the 9/11 attacks, thousands and thousands of people in an unnamed Arab community in New Jersey were cheering as that building was coming down.
In the Republican field, Mr. Trump has distinguished himself as fastest to dive to the bottom. If its a lie too vile to utter aloud, count on Mr. Trump to say it, often. It wins him airtime, and retweets through the roof.
This phenomenon is in fact nothing new. Politicians targeting minorities, foreigners or women have always existed in the culture. And every generation or so, at least one demagogue surfaces to fan those flames.
Heres Donald Trump on Sunday: When the Syrian refugees are going to start pouring into this country, we dont know if theyre ISIS, we dont know if its a Trojan horse. And I definitely want a database and other checks and balances. We want to go with watch lists. We want to go with databases. And we have no choice. We have no idea whos being sent in here. This could be the its probably not, but it could be the great Trojan horse of all time, where they come in.
Heres Joseph McCarthy in 1950: Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between communistic atheism and Christianity. The modern champions of communism have selected this as the time, and ladies and gentlemen, the chips are down they are truly down.
Heres Donald Trump last Tuesday: Were going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule. And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so were going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.
Heres George Wallace in 1963: We must redefine our heritage, re-school our thoughts in the lessons our forefathers knew so well, in order to function and to grow and to prosper. We can no longer hide our head in the sand and tell ourselves that the ideology of our free fathers is not being attacked and is not being threatened by another idea ... for it is.
Mr. Trump relies on social media to spread his views. This is convenient because theres no need to respond to questions about his fabrications. That makes it imperative that other forms of media challenge him.
Instead, as Mr. Trump stays at the top of the Republican field, its become a full-time job just running down falsehoods like the phony crime statistics he tweeted, which came from a white supremacist group.
Yet Mr. Trump is regularly rewarded with free TV time, where he talks right over anyone challenging him, and doubles down when called out on his lies.
This isnt about shutting off Mr. Trumps bullhorn. His right to spew nonsense is protected by the Constitution, but the public doesnt need to swallow it. History teaches that failing to hold a demagogue to account is a dangerous act. Its no easy task for journalists to interrupt Mr. Trump with the facts, but its an important one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/mr-trumps-applause-lies.html?ref=international&_r=0
kentuck
(111,076 posts)For calling the liar a "liar".
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)from his campaign coverage. Just yesterday the networks had a conference call to see if they could reach a consensus reaction to his campaign keeping reporters corralled away from the crowd at his events.
murielm99
(30,730 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)even Jeb Bush said he likes him more than Hillary. He just admitted it.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)They are tuned in to FOX and Hate Radio 24/7 and completely ignore or discount as liberal lies any one who challenges the swill that they lap up.
pampango
(24,692 posts)That does not happen very often.
hibbing
(10,095 posts)Often they will cloak it in the old "some people would say your comments are racist".
Peace
beac
(9,992 posts)Or Trump will just revoke their credentials altogether.
But good on the NYT for calling him out, especially knowing what a vindictive, thin-skinned asshole he is.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)talking heads debate his latest antics all day long, and the news media can't wait to hear what he says next...So mission accomplished...
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)is to ignore them totally, right? Soon, only Fox viewers will see any news about Trump.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Or Kardashianistic.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)As much of a joke as he may he, paradoxically he's no joke anymore.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...and it doesn't take anywhere near a majority.
One of the fears the Founding Fathers had was of a leader who could amass a small army to back him and challenge the state, as was the case in the times of Caesar, Hitler, and a host of "lesser" tin-pot dictators. He is pretty much there with that; no one is challenging him at all except through the hand-wringing editorial page. The rest?
THAT'S ENTERTAINMENT.
Ain't NO media gonna turn him down.
Bucky
(53,986 posts)So far, he's gotten no one killed, but he's sure gotten people beaten up and shot with his hate speech.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...because we can't know for sure if someone telling falsehoods believes them.
I guess they felt Donald Trump crossed the line.
moondust
(19,972 posts)He's a dictator. That may have served him well when making business deals but it's incompatible with democratic government. As President he might wake up one day and decide we need to nuke China and nobody would be able to convince him otherwise because he just knows HE'S ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING. AND HE DOESN'T BACK DOWN!
Texas Blues
(55 posts)Trump reminds me of the weird republican uncle everyone seems to have to put up with at Thanksgiving.
Speaking of which, here are execellent tips on how to deal with him at, yes, www.yourrepublicanuncle.com.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Perhaps if some major media outlet would report those lies contemporaneous with their utterance, the public wouldn't swallow them? You know, publish what Trump said and then explain why it's patent bullshit. Put it right up there in the headline or on the chyron so even the casual consumer of news product understands that Trump is lying?
But that might get a reporter or an editor disinvited from the swellest cocktail parties, so that's out.
Buzz505
(92 posts)He says what they all want to say. They are all ignorant racist bigots. Lets hope that a few fence sitting independents will see what the republican party is all about, or is that hoping for too much?
Beacool
(30,247 posts)How low have Republicans become that they have two people as their front runners who are totally unfit to handle the reins of government? Trump is a buffoon who spews racist and sexist nonsense on a regular basis. Carson is just plain nuts.
Personally, I'm offended at Trump for claiming that "thousands of people" were cheering the collapse of the towers in Jersey City. I live in a town bordering with JC, it never happened. A handful of people cheered, were summarily booed by other people and some were questioned by police. The images this moron must have seen were from the M.E. Even there, most did not cheer and offered condolences.
He added insult to injury by saying that he personally saw people jumping out of windows from his apt. (which is 4 miles away). I was at the WTC on 9/11. I saw several people jumping out of windows and it's a memory that I won't ever forget. I take offense to him stating something that is so blatantly untrue to stoke the fears of his base. He can go rot!!!
murielm99
(30,730 posts)there were a few. But many of those people were posturing for the cameras. As soon as the cameras left, they went on about their business - shopping, working, etc.
chapdrum
(930 posts)...and likely having the time of his life. Talk about having f*ck you money - as he is clearly demonstrating to the RNC (and the little people, too).
My guess is that if he wins the nomination, and defeats the Democrat, he won't take office. He'll have had his (more than)
15 minutes of fame, made his points (whatever those are) and go back to perfecting the Art of the Deal.
He could give a rat's arse about governance, foreign policy, domestic policy, etc.