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US leaders who ordered the kill for J John should be imprisoned (Original Post) Jeneral2885 Nov 2015 OP
the white house may disagree with your solution nt msongs Nov 2015 #1
Somehow trying to use international law when dealing with terrorists... Historic NY Nov 2015 #2
lolwut Warren DeMontague Nov 2015 #3
Somehow, I think the rules have changed world wide wally Nov 2015 #4
Provocative JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #5
So, law enforement against organized crime doesn't exist cprise Nov 2015 #6
It sure does JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #11
LOL, yeah, lynch the black guy. linuxman Nov 2015 #7
^This denbot Nov 2015 #27
This was an active terrorist cutting the heads off civilians Marrah_G Nov 2015 #8
Plus one JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #12
You're trying too hard Blue_Tires Nov 2015 #9
+1 Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #10
Such nonsense... EX500rider Nov 2015 #13
You're adorable. Codeine Nov 2015 #14
Yeah, we'll get right on that. NuclearDem Nov 2015 #15
DUers should be aware of the players here: muriel_volestrangler Nov 2015 #16
Yep T_i_B Nov 2015 #21
order-order isn't a site to quote on DU (or anywhere really) LeftishBrit Nov 2015 #17
I don't care much either way, I just think it's an ineffective way to prosecute a war CJCRANE Nov 2015 #18
You should look up the case of Karma v. Fuck That Guy. Throd Nov 2015 #19
Thank you for making me spew coffee on my keyboard n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2015 #22
So ... because one bad guy was targeted you want to execute several? lpbk2713 Nov 2015 #20
This is a guy who taunted the family members of people he watched... NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #23
I say hang people who advocate hanging the people responsible ... trumad Nov 2015 #24
I'd also like to take this moment to complain about people NuclearDem Nov 2015 #25
He could have turned himself in Renew Deal Nov 2015 #26
Oh my gawd! Really? leftofcool Nov 2015 #28
As Corbynites say Jeneral2885 Nov 2015 #29
Wrong T_i_B Nov 2015 #30
Two things. Chan790 Nov 2015 #31
When a gun is held to someone's head, does a police officer have the right to shoot to kill? randome Nov 2015 #32

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
2. Somehow trying to use international law when dealing with terrorists...
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 04:16 AM
Nov 2015

actively engaged against citizens from various countries and the US sound ridiculous. What law did he follow???? Maybe Corbyn should poll his countrymen.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
5. Provocative
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 05:42 AM
Nov 2015

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-questions-legality-of-drone-strike-against-jihadi-john-a6736751.html

But Mr Corbyn told ITV News on Monday that if he was Prime Minister he would “only authorise actions that are legal in the terms of international law."

Asked whether he believed the attack on Mr Emwazi was legal, the Labour leader said: "I question that. Surely if somebody is doing something wrong you act legally against them.

"If we are setting ourselves up as the West, as in accordance with the UN, with international law and of our own laws, then I think we have to act in accordance with them.

"I am awaiting an explanation of where the legal basis was for that incident that went on.

"Obviously people planning things to attack others is wrong, but there is a process to go on about that. That is why I am looking for a political process."

Mr Corbyn said he did not support the "shoot-to-kill" policy in the UK in the event of a terror attack, saying such an approach could "often be counter-productive".



He's looking for a political process that does not exist. ISIS/ISIL are not countries/nations and can't define it's leadership and own political process. All they seem capable of is declaring war. They declare war then expect the world to behave like lambs. Jihadi John declared war. It was either him or Obama. I'm glad Obama got to him before he got to my President.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
6. So, law enforement against organized crime doesn't exist
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 06:18 AM
Nov 2015

Sounds to me like you cannot think outside the box of declaring war-on-something (militarization). This business of nations and international law is insufferable. Just ask GW Bush.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
11. It sure does
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:31 PM
Nov 2015

I'm the corporate side of it. Think phones/tapping/cell phones with tracking devices in them, etc. etc. Working with Federal Law Enforcement, Local, CBP HS - etc. etc.

He's an outlier to that. He doesn't fall in the same scope as the Russkies, Mustafa Crime Family, Ho Chin Minh Trail, etc. etc.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
8. This was an active terrorist cutting the heads off civilians
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 09:42 AM
Nov 2015

I'm glad he is dead. He was not a prisoner, safely in a cell, unable to harm others. Instead he was raping, killing, enslaving and beheading people. If you are not glad he is dead then I think you are messed up.

JustAnotherGen

(31,683 posts)
12. Plus one
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015

Someone up above seems to want to make a comparison to this and the Russian Mafia running up and down I-95 doing the wrong thing. Apples and Oranges.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,154 posts)
16. DUers should be aware of the players here:
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

Jeneral2885 uses their posts here to stir up anti-Labour feeling by attacking the leader Jeremy Corbyn,

'order-order.com' is a British right wing website that is the go-to place for gossip with a right-wing slant. Sort of the equivalent of Drudge, but not with wide-ranging news stories.

LeftishBrit

(41,192 posts)
17. order-order isn't a site to quote on DU (or anywhere really)
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:54 PM
Nov 2015

It is a gutter-gossip-column site by Paul Staines, who, very ironically for such a supposedly staunch opponent of all terrorism, calls himself 'Guido Fawkes'. Very right-wing; hates all Labourites; but even prepared to be slimy about his own side, e.g. spread vile homophobic rumours about William Hague.

Please do not cite this source on DU.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
18. I don't care much either way, I just think it's an ineffective way to prosecute a war
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015

picking off a few useful idiots here and there.

And there's always a new boogeyman along before too long.

lpbk2713

(42,696 posts)
20. So ... because one bad guy was targeted you want to execute several?
Tue Nov 17, 2015, 02:12 PM
Nov 2015


OK ... thanks for your valuable input.





 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
24. I say hang people who advocate hanging the people responsible ...
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 10:27 AM
Nov 2015

for blowing up the shit head terrorist.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
25. I'd also like to take this moment to complain about people
Wed Nov 18, 2015, 11:30 AM
Nov 2015

who holds things up by complaining about people complaining. It's about time something was done about it.

T_i_B

(14,734 posts)
30. Wrong
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:34 AM
Nov 2015

What Corbynites actually say is "why is Jeneral2885 posting bollocks on mesageboards again?"

Which is the same thing that Blairites say come to think of it!

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
31. Two things.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:42 AM
Nov 2015

A.) That's not what he said.

B.) If he did actually believe that, he would be wrong. There is nothing in international law prohibiting the killing of an enemy non-state combatant engaged in lethal political violence once they have refused a demand to surrender. There is no legal obligation to arrest, nor right to trial, nor are they subject to protection as prisoners of war or recognized enemy combatants.

Basically, international law takes a dim view of terrorists and non-state resistance fighters...they get few protections; none at-all when they turn their violence against non-combatants. (Keep in mind those laws are written and ratified by nation-states and their representatives.) It's every bit as legal to issue a shoot-to-kill/shoot-on-sight order on terrorists as it is to do so for any individual that represents a high-degree of a continuing and ongoing risk of lethal violence--Jihadi John is viewed no differently under international law (or even domestic law in the UK for that matter) than a rampaging gunman on a killing spree. If you can't take them alive, dead is preferred to ongoing violence.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
32. When a gun is held to someone's head, does a police officer have the right to shoot to kill?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:46 AM
Nov 2015

Your thinking is flawed on this.
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