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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:10 AM Nov 2015

If the Democrats lose, and I mean LOSE it all in 2016, who do you think they will blame?

I'm not optimistic about our chances next fall. Gerrymandering has all but assured Republican control of the House. Democrats have a better chance in the Senate, but need long coattails from the Presidential candidate.

If we don't get those coattails, for whatever reason, and lose the White House to boot, who will be held accountable, and how?

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If the Democrats lose, and I mean LOSE it all in 2016, who do you think they will blame? (Original Post) Scuba Nov 2015 OP
We will blame everyone but ourselves. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #1
In order to defer personal responsibility fredamae Nov 2015 #2
We won't blame ourselves for failing to convince our geek tragedy Nov 2015 #3
If Democrats lose... Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #4
My guess would be us. nt bemildred Nov 2015 #5
The American People don't seem to have what it takes to ladjf Nov 2015 #6
Republicans will keep the House, the Senate is up for grabs... NaturalHigh Nov 2015 #7
You are right, IMO. We'll get the WH and the Senate and only the crazies in the House CTyankee Nov 2015 #12
The following are candidates kwolf68 Nov 2015 #8
Let's all vote for the DEM nominee, whoever it is ... JoePhilly Nov 2015 #9
But then I cant whine and complain if I dont get my way. randys1 Nov 2015 #27
Exactly. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #29
na ga ha pen... CTyankee Nov 2015 #10
The reflexive move will be "more triangulation with wingnuts" phantom power Nov 2015 #11
As sure as eggs is eggs. hifiguy Nov 2015 #48
Voters. Codeine Nov 2015 #13
You've misunderstood the question. Chan790 Nov 2015 #51
Fair enough. My misreading. nt Codeine Nov 2015 #52
Ronda Rousey think Nov 2015 #14
Dunno, can only speak for me. whatthehey Nov 2015 #15
I think the Republicans have a better chance of losing it all FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #16
Bernie et al. Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #17
If the Democrats lose it all in 2016, the Reign of Terror that ensues will blame the aristocrats n/t Kennah Nov 2015 #18
Lazy democratic voters who think there is no difference between the two parties! B Calm Nov 2015 #19
I don't know about beyond DU, but here it will be Rex Nov 2015 #20
We live in the most reality corporations will allow. raouldukelives Nov 2015 #21
^^^THAT^^^ onecaliberal Nov 2015 #28
Anyone but Hillary Fumesucker Nov 2015 #22
... R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #24
Everybody except Hillary, Debbie, the DNC and Wall Street? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #23
Winner, winner, chicken dinner. hifiguy Nov 2015 #56
Brian Williams. KamaAina Nov 2015 #25
I hope there is no reason to blame Bernie supporters.... CajunBlazer Nov 2015 #26
Liberals Prism Nov 2015 #30
Liberals, real progressives, and Bernie. mmonk Nov 2015 #31
Whoever our nominee ends up being, we will win big in 2016. FSogol Nov 2015 #32
I don't think they will lose the presidency and I think they have WI_DEM Nov 2015 #33
If there is a blowout for the Democratic candidate, the Dawson Leery Nov 2015 #54
who cares about accountability if the GOP runs the entire federal gov't? 0rganism Nov 2015 #34
Party leadership will kick the left like they always do. stillwaiting Nov 2015 #35
Well, some of our self-styled satirists tell us there is no difference between the parties, Squinch Nov 2015 #36
How much of the 1956 Republican platform, set forth below, hifiguy Nov 2015 #45
How does that platform compare to Republican policies today? Squinch Nov 2015 #47
Doesn't matter and wasn't the point of my argument. hifiguy Nov 2015 #49
And if you can't see that there are no differences between the parties, then you are Squinch Nov 2015 #53
The difference between electing a Turd Way/Corpodem hifiguy Nov 2015 #55
Gosh. That's really dramatic. Not very practical, or true, but very dramatic. Squinch Nov 2015 #61
Nader. KG Nov 2015 #37
I thnk her name is Jill Stein this time. PDittie Nov 2015 #59
What's the point of this? treestar Nov 2015 #38
Stop posting divisive garbage. tabasco Nov 2015 #39
Anyone BUT the actual people responsible. Maedhros Nov 2015 #40
We won't lose... ileus Nov 2015 #41
There's no way Hillary can beat a regular Republican Reter Nov 2015 #42
Everyone and anyone to the left of DWS. hifiguy Nov 2015 #43
White Supremacist Liberal Berniebros! (And their Third Way Progressive fellow travelers!) nt Romulox Nov 2015 #44
Berniebros. Or maybe brogressives. Or maybe men in general. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2015 #46
The pundit asshole class and the DLC/Clinton-wing will blame Sanders and his supporters. Chan790 Nov 2015 #50
The DNC/Party Elite will blame those Rahm called F***ing R*****s HereSince1628 Nov 2015 #57
the voters. spanone Nov 2015 #58
Which Democrats? PowerToThePeople Nov 2015 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Nov 2015 #62

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
2. In order to defer personal responsibility
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:14 AM
Nov 2015

they'll/DWS et al-will blame the "Libruls", of course. At this juncture shifting blame is SOP, imo.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. We won't blame ourselves for failing to convince our
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:15 AM
Nov 2015

fellow citizens or the political cycle

Mostly high profile scapegoats.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. If Democrats lose...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:15 AM
Nov 2015

It will be because Democrats could not be bothered to show up and vote.

We have a representative democracy. We do not elect leaders, we elect representatives.

So I will blame the voters who did care who their representatives are. Everything Republicans do, those who did not vote deserve.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
7. Republicans will keep the House, the Senate is up for grabs...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:17 AM
Nov 2015

but I'll bet you a coke that we have a Democrat in the White house.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
12. You are right, IMO. We'll get the WH and the Senate and only the crazies in the House
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:20 AM
Nov 2015

will be left to fuck up everything they can...

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
9. Let's all vote for the DEM nominee, whoever it is ...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:18 AM
Nov 2015

... and encourage everyone we know to do the same.

There, crisis averted.

CTyankee

(63,768 posts)
10. na ga ha pen...
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:19 AM
Nov 2015

the pukes are losing steadily in the polls since 2012. They are talking to walls not the real public. It's just getting worse...who can "outcrazy" the next one. They are batshit. I know this is just primary season craziness but some of this stuff is gonna stick once they get into the General. It's worse than I predicted.

They are losing in every demographic, even white males are crumbling.

The push has come to shove early this election cycle.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
51. You've misunderstood the question.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Nov 2015

The question isn't "Whose fault will it actually be?" it's "If the Democrats lose, and I mean LOSE it all in 2016, who do you think they will blame?"

I've highlighted the key-word there...they're not going to blame voters.

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
15. Dunno, can only speak for me.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:23 AM
Nov 2015

I will blame anyone who would prefer a Democratic to a Republican government but refused to vote that way because:

- They were upset their preferred candidate wasn't nominated
- They are stupid enough to fall for the Naderite shite that there is no difference (look at Alito and Sotomayor's votes for exhibit A. If you even need exhibits B through ZZ999 plural Z you must have the brains of a lamprey)
- They preferred to make some grand "heroic statement of principle" and vote for throwaway candidates like Greens or Socialists or Communists
- They were too fucking lazy. I don't care how many jobs you have on what shifts, there is always a way to vote be it absentee or with (mandatory) time off, alternate polling places, or whatever

For the terminally misfire-poutraged please note nothing here says you don't have the right to do any of the above, only that you are a mouthbreathing vapid moronic bane to all right thinking people if you exercise that right.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
16. I think the Republicans have a better chance of losing it all
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 11:25 AM
Nov 2015

I'm feeling really good considering the pack of loons the republicans are running.

Kennah

(14,115 posts)
18. If the Democrats lose it all in 2016, the Reign of Terror that ensues will blame the aristocrats n/t
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:05 PM
Nov 2015
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. I don't know about beyond DU, but here it will be
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:11 PM
Nov 2015

the same three or four people that shouted at all of us after the 2014 midterms. They seem to only come out to shout at us and then melt back into the woodworks until we need to be yelled at again.

Their tactic works so well...

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
21. We live in the most reality corporations will allow.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:30 PM
Nov 2015

The more wealth and power Wall St has, the more our system is rigged, the more our voter turnout is depressed, the more our elections are stolen, the more our democracy fades into irrelevance.

I know who to blame for supporting dishonesty, redistricting, gerrymandering and anti-GOTV forces. Those who support it over and above democracy for all people by supporting Wall St.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
22. Anyone but Hillary
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 12:47 PM
Nov 2015

And if Bernie gets the nomination and loses the general they'll be hunting liberals with dogs.

Which reminds me...

http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416

WASHINGTON—After several seconds spent sitting motionless and glaring directly into the camera, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton reportedly began Sunday’s video announcing her 2016 presidential bid by warning the nation not to fuck this up for her. “Listen up, assholes, ’cause I’m only saying this once: I’ve worked way too goddamn hard to let you morons blow this thing for me,” said Clinton, repeatedly jabbing her index finger toward the viewers at home while adding that if they thought she was going to simply sit back and watch them dick her over like they did in 2008, they were out of their fucking minds. “Seriously, don’t you dare even think about it. If you shitheads can just get in line, we can breeze through this whole campaign in 19 months and be done with it. Or, if you really want, we can do this the hard way. Because make no mistake, I’m not fucking around. Got it?” Clinton then ended her announcement by vowing to fight for a better future for all working-class families like the one she grew up in.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
26. I hope there is no reason to blame Bernie supporters....
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 01:47 PM
Nov 2015

because they didn't vote because they didn't want to vote for Hillary or because they voted for a third party candidate instead of Hillary.

If that turns out to be the reason for a Republican win, that would be most unfortunate.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
30. Liberals
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe LGBT people because of the marriage equality ruling.

I'm just speaking from history and experience here.

FSogol

(45,355 posts)
32. Whoever our nominee ends up being, we will win big in 2016.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:15 PM
Nov 2015

1. The country is shifting leftward.
2. The GOP has exposed themselves as colossal asshats with ridiculous candidates.
3. The GOP is becoming a regional party.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
33. I don't think they will lose the presidency and I think they have
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:18 PM
Nov 2015

a real chance at the Senate. The House, thanks to gerrymadering, is a lost cause for the forseeable future.

0rganism

(23,855 posts)
34. who cares about accountability if the GOP runs the entire federal gov't?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:33 PM
Nov 2015

that's like getting clean bedsheets for a known incontinent who has declared intentions to shit the bed.

if/when the Republicans win next November, what's left of our fragile system (infrastructure, ecology, national wealth) all gets scrapped or sold off, the middle class gets flushed so 99% of us can be wage slaves for the 1%, while the youth get sent off to our many ensuing wars.

what's the use of accountability in such a society? we'll be pretty much scraping up against the end of history, i don't think calling people to account is going to be particularly high priority.

the important thing is, going forward, how we can protect those who the Republicans will "hold accountable" for what they see as our various societal defects. racial and sexual minorities, undocumented immigrants and those who the White Enforcer Squads think might be here illegally, elderly and disabled victims of medicare & medicaid cuts, young people returning from the wars with PTSD and life changing injuries to a woefully underfunded VA: all these people will need assistance from those who care and can still afford to give it. it will be a very dark time for tens of millions of people.

and it won't be just 4 years, or 8, or 12. if they get it all, they'll keep it until it's broken beyond recognition.

accountability be damned, this is a must-win for us. or nothing matters anymore, including accountability.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
35. Party leadership will kick the left like they always do.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:41 PM
Nov 2015

That's their favorite thing to do.

The answer, for them, is GO RIGHT! And, it will continue to be that way until we radically change the composition of elected Democrats. Radically.



Squinch

(50,773 posts)
36. Well, some of our self-styled satirists tell us there is no difference between the parties,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 02:49 PM
Nov 2015

and that Hillary is just a Republican in disguise, so no biggie, right?

Though, personally, I think anyone who says that is an asshole.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
45. How much of the 1956 Republican platform, set forth below,
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:05 PM
Nov 2015

do the DINOs who run the party actually and actively support? One thing, as far as I can see, ONLY ONE- that being item #5 on the platform list. They all run as fast as they can from all of the rest of it.





The facts are what the facts are. The Republicans of 1956 were far more progressive than the "mainstream" Democrats of today. How fucking sad is that?

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
47. How does that platform compare to Republican policies today?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nov 2015

You're willing to let insane-assed tea party loons into the white house because politics have moved right in the last 50 years? You think that will somehow help things?

That position makes no sense whatsoever. You're going to teach the Democrats a lesson for the fact they have moved right in the last 50 years by allowing some of the most crazy right leaning people our country has ever seen to gain control?

That's just nuts.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
49. Doesn't matter and wasn't the point of my argument.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:21 PM
Nov 2015

My point is that the Democratic party, as an organization, is now well to the RIGHT of where Republicans used to be.

If you can't see how goddam pathetic and disgusting that is, it is not my problem

The fundamental difference between the parties now on the key/central issues of war and peace and the economy is now almost impossible to see. Both stand for continuing Reagan/Thatcher/Friedman economics which benefit only the 1% and for War Eternal to secure the American (Corporate) Imperium. The Democratic Party, as an institution, stands for EXACTLY the same policies on these crucial issues as does today's Republican Party. They just dress it up with a happy face instead of a crazy face.

And THAT is the TRUTH.

Squinch

(50,773 posts)
53. And if you can't see that there are no differences between the parties, then you are
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:33 PM
Nov 2015

not paying any attention to what is going on all around you.

Next time we elect a Republican, I'll check in with you and see if you are remembering how bad things can actually get. You seem to have forgotten.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
55. The difference between electing a Turd Way/Corpodem
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:44 PM
Nov 2015

and a Repig is purely a question of how fast we proletarian frogs will be boiled.

Boiled we shall be in either case, only a wee bit more slowly by a Corpodem whose sole fealty is to the oligarchy and the War Machine.

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
42. There's no way Hillary can beat a regular Republican
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:52 PM
Nov 2015

By regular, I mean one like any of the ones who got the Republican nomination the past 50 years. She would lose to Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Poppy, Dole, Shrub (the 2000 Bush, before all the baggage), McCain, and Romney.

The good news is she can easily beat a nut, such as Trump or Carson. She may be able to beat an extremist like Cruz, but he's actually quite intelligent and a good debater, so that worries me.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
43. Everyone and anyone to the left of DWS.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 03:57 PM
Nov 2015

IOW all actual Democrats.

And that will be the excuse to abandon every remaining bit of the New Deal, the Fair Deal and the Great Society, including Social Security and Medicaid.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
46. Berniebros. Or maybe brogressives. Or maybe men in general.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:06 PM
Nov 2015

Maybe, just maybe, they're confusing cause and effect.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
50. The pundit asshole class and the DLC/Clinton-wing will blame Sanders and his supporters.
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:25 PM
Nov 2015

They will say it's all our fault for "disloyalty" and use that to smother nascent empowerment and uprising of the progressive left. Worse, doing so makes Democrats even less capable of winning in the future.

The shame is it'll work and continue to work until we become the sort of people who will march in the streets and act in ways they fear.

It's why I've said all along, there can be no peace with the Hillary supporters ever; we actually need a party Civil War...the tent isn't big enough for all of us. Either we leave and the loser-centrists lose without us or they turn their backs on Clintonism and the Third Way. The Democratic party needs to either continue explicitly exclusive of the Clintons and their allies or it needs to accept losing.

There is no means by which this coalition can continue with progressives and Clintonites. None.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
57. The DNC/Party Elite will blame those Rahm called F***ing R*****s
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 05:01 PM
Nov 2015

The elite would never see being out of step with the surge in populism as -their- fault.

The elite will argue they lead like true elite, but the followers didn't follow.

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