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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf the Democrats lose, and I mean LOSE it all in 2016, who do you think they will blame?
I'm not optimistic about our chances next fall. Gerrymandering has all but assured Republican control of the House. Democrats have a better chance in the Senate, but need long coattails from the Presidential candidate.
If we don't get those coattails, for whatever reason, and lose the White House to boot, who will be held accountable, and how?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)they'll/DWS et al-will blame the "Libruls", of course. At this juncture shifting blame is SOP, imo.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)fellow citizens or the political cycle
Mostly high profile scapegoats.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)It will be because Democrats could not be bothered to show up and vote.
We have a representative democracy. We do not elect leaders, we elect representatives.
So I will blame the voters who did care who their representatives are. Everything Republicans do, those who did not vote deserve.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)elect qualified people.
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)but I'll bet you a coke that we have a Democrat in the White house.
CTyankee
(63,768 posts)will be left to fuck up everything they can...
kwolf68
(7,365 posts)-the media
-voter fraud
-third way Dems
-dumb voters
-poor GOTV
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... and encourage everyone we know to do the same.
There, crisis averted.
randys1
(16,286 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)It's as if the whining and complaining is an end in and of itself.
CTyankee
(63,768 posts)the pukes are losing steadily in the polls since 2012. They are talking to walls not the real public. It's just getting worse...who can "outcrazy" the next one. They are batshit. I know this is just primary season craziness but some of this stuff is gonna stick once they get into the General. It's worse than I predicted.
They are losing in every demographic, even white males are crumbling.
The push has come to shove early this election cycle.
phantom power
(25,966 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)When they get off their ass we win. When they don't we lose.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)The question isn't "Whose fault will it actually be?" it's "If the Democrats lose, and I mean LOSE it all in 2016, who do you think they will blame?"
I've highlighted the key-word there...they're not going to blame voters.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)think
(11,641 posts)whatthehey
(3,660 posts)I will blame anyone who would prefer a Democratic to a Republican government but refused to vote that way because:
- They were upset their preferred candidate wasn't nominated
- They are stupid enough to fall for the Naderite shite that there is no difference (look at Alito and Sotomayor's votes for exhibit A. If you even need exhibits B through ZZ999 plural Z you must have the brains of a lamprey)
- They preferred to make some grand "heroic statement of principle" and vote for throwaway candidates like Greens or Socialists or Communists
- They were too fucking lazy. I don't care how many jobs you have on what shifts, there is always a way to vote be it absentee or with (mandatory) time off, alternate polling places, or whatever
For the terminally misfire-poutraged please note nothing here says you don't have the right to do any of the above, only that you are a mouthbreathing vapid moronic bane to all right thinking people if you exercise that right.
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)I'm feeling really good considering the pack of loons the republicans are running.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Kennah
(14,115 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)the same three or four people that shouted at all of us after the 2014 midterms. They seem to only come out to shout at us and then melt back into the woodworks until we need to be yelled at again.
Their tactic works so well...
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)The more wealth and power Wall St has, the more our system is rigged, the more our voter turnout is depressed, the more our elections are stolen, the more our democracy fades into irrelevance.
I know who to blame for supporting dishonesty, redistricting, gerrymandering and anti-GOTV forces. Those who support it over and above democracy for all people by supporting Wall St.
onecaliberal
(32,478 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And if Bernie gets the nomination and loses the general they'll be hunting liberals with dogs.
Which reminds me...
http://www.theonion.com/article/hillary-clinton-to-nation-do-not-fuck-this-up-for--38416
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Everyone but those who are actually guilty.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Who else?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)because they didn't vote because they didn't want to vote for Hillary or because they voted for a third party candidate instead of Hillary.
If that turns out to be the reason for a Republican win, that would be most unfortunate.
Maybe LGBT people because of the marriage equality ruling.
I'm just speaking from history and experience here.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)FSogol
(45,355 posts)1. The country is shifting leftward.
2. The GOP has exposed themselves as colossal asshats with ridiculous candidates.
3. The GOP is becoming a regional party.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)a real chance at the Senate. The House, thanks to gerrymadering, is a lost cause for the forseeable future.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)House will come along.
0rganism
(23,855 posts)that's like getting clean bedsheets for a known incontinent who has declared intentions to shit the bed.
if/when the Republicans win next November, what's left of our fragile system (infrastructure, ecology, national wealth) all gets scrapped or sold off, the middle class gets flushed so 99% of us can be wage slaves for the 1%, while the youth get sent off to our many ensuing wars.
what's the use of accountability in such a society? we'll be pretty much scraping up against the end of history, i don't think calling people to account is going to be particularly high priority.
the important thing is, going forward, how we can protect those who the Republicans will "hold accountable" for what they see as our various societal defects. racial and sexual minorities, undocumented immigrants and those who the White Enforcer Squads think might be here illegally, elderly and disabled victims of medicare & medicaid cuts, young people returning from the wars with PTSD and life changing injuries to a woefully underfunded VA: all these people will need assistance from those who care and can still afford to give it. it will be a very dark time for tens of millions of people.
and it won't be just 4 years, or 8, or 12. if they get it all, they'll keep it until it's broken beyond recognition.
accountability be damned, this is a must-win for us. or nothing matters anymore, including accountability.
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)That's their favorite thing to do.
The answer, for them, is GO RIGHT! And, it will continue to be that way until we radically change the composition of elected Democrats. Radically.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)and that Hillary is just a Republican in disguise, so no biggie, right?
Though, personally, I think anyone who says that is an asshole.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)do the DINOs who run the party actually and actively support? One thing, as far as I can see, ONLY ONE- that being item #5 on the platform list. They all run as fast as they can from all of the rest of it.
The facts are what the facts are. The Republicans of 1956 were far more progressive than the "mainstream" Democrats of today. How fucking sad is that?
Squinch
(50,773 posts)You're willing to let insane-assed tea party loons into the white house because politics have moved right in the last 50 years? You think that will somehow help things?
That position makes no sense whatsoever. You're going to teach the Democrats a lesson for the fact they have moved right in the last 50 years by allowing some of the most crazy right leaning people our country has ever seen to gain control?
That's just nuts.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)My point is that the Democratic party, as an organization, is now well to the RIGHT of where Republicans used to be.
If you can't see how goddam pathetic and disgusting that is, it is not my problem
The fundamental difference between the parties now on the key/central issues of war and peace and the economy is now almost impossible to see. Both stand for continuing Reagan/Thatcher/Friedman economics which benefit only the 1% and for War Eternal to secure the American (Corporate) Imperium. The Democratic Party, as an institution, stands for EXACTLY the same policies on these crucial issues as does today's Republican Party. They just dress it up with a happy face instead of a crazy face.
And THAT is the TRUTH.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)not paying any attention to what is going on all around you.
Next time we elect a Republican, I'll check in with you and see if you are remembering how bad things can actually get. You seem to have forgotten.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and a Repig is purely a question of how fast we proletarian frogs will be boiled.
Boiled we shall be in either case, only a wee bit more slowly by a Corpodem whose sole fealty is to the oligarchy and the War Machine.
Squinch
(50,773 posts)oh, and hippies.
PDittie
(8,322 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Why think about this now?
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Thanks.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)That's how they roll.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Reter
(2,188 posts)By regular, I mean one like any of the ones who got the Republican nomination the past 50 years. She would lose to Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Poppy, Dole, Shrub (the 2000 Bush, before all the baggage), McCain, and Romney.
The good news is she can easily beat a nut, such as Trump or Carson. She may be able to beat an extremist like Cruz, but he's actually quite intelligent and a good debater, so that worries me.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)IOW all actual Democrats.
And that will be the excuse to abandon every remaining bit of the New Deal, the Fair Deal and the Great Society, including Social Security and Medicaid.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Maybe, just maybe, they're confusing cause and effect.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)They will say it's all our fault for "disloyalty" and use that to smother nascent empowerment and uprising of the progressive left. Worse, doing so makes Democrats even less capable of winning in the future.
The shame is it'll work and continue to work until we become the sort of people who will march in the streets and act in ways they fear.
It's why I've said all along, there can be no peace with the Hillary supporters ever; we actually need a party Civil War...the tent isn't big enough for all of us. Either we leave and the loser-centrists lose without us or they turn their backs on Clintonism and the Third Way. The Democratic party needs to either continue explicitly exclusive of the Clintons and their allies or it needs to accept losing.
There is no means by which this coalition can continue with progressives and Clintonites. None.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)The elite would never see being out of step with the surge in populism as -their- fault.
The elite will argue they lead like true elite, but the followers didn't follow.
spanone
(135,632 posts)if this country selects one of the republican morons, it won't matter...
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)The ones who act like Democrats or the ones who just claim the title?
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